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Ami Anne
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posted February 22, 2017 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne        Reply w/Quote

Saturn——-Glue, Taskmaster, Father or Friend

I love Saturn. Well, I like Saturn, I should say. I love Saturn when he brings stability. I love Saturn when he brings a sense of being centered. I love Saturn when he brings discipline.I have Saturn trine Mars. I love to challenge myself. Once, I went on a thirty day juice fast. I practice the guitar for an hour every day. When I got my masters degree, I was the only student who finished a two year program in a year and a half. It is very satisfying to set a difficult goals, stick to them and look back with pride. Saturn is the author of this.

Saturn gets a bad reputation and he does deserve it, at times. I will discuss that later. However, Saturn is very necessary because he BALANCES fun. Saturn balances wildness. Saturn balances selfishness. Saturn makes us do what we NEED to do. We may not like this, but we would be lost without it.Think of a person who has accomplished a great deal, such as a CEO. Saturn was his taskmaster, so to speak, and not in a bad way. The person had to wake up early, work long hours, study hard, learn how to deal with people and learn how to manage himself. The Bible has a proverb which relates. “He who has mastered himself is greater than he who governs a great city”. This is a paraphrase, but you get the idea. Saturn makes you buckle up and buckle down.

I have Saturn trine the Moon at a seven degree orb. Saturn trine the Moon is a lovely aspect for being centered. I think one of the most wonderful feelings in the world is to be centered. I picture Saturn trine the Moon as a very old, oak tree. It has seen storms and survived. The Moon is one’s gentle heart. It is one’s deepest emotions. In the trine, the native can anchor onto the old oak tree in times of trouble. There is a great source of strength from Saturn trine the Moon. Hence, Saturn is a very fortunate planet when he is in trine or sextile. I wish I had Saturn trine the Moon at a closer orb. However, I am thankful for the strength he has conferred on me.

Picking up the theme of Saturn in trine and sextile, we will elaborate on Saturn trine or sextile some other planets. First of all, the difference between a trine and a sextile is that a trine is an unearned gift. It is simply bestowed on the native through no effort of her own. The sextile is a gift but it must be “dug up” and developed. Saturn trine the Sun is someone who can discipline his ego. Hence, he can accomplish great things. Think of Herman Cain. I think he worked his way up to CEO. He is a shining example of Sun trine Saturn, although I have never seen his chart. He is an example only.

Saturn trine Venus is a native who takes love seriously. She would not toy with the emotions of another. She values and honors the sanctity of love. his aspect would make for a person who would be an excellent spouse. She would take the marriage vows very seriously.

Saturn trine Mercury would be a native who could discipline her mind. I do not know if Stephen King has this. However, he is my favorite author, so I will use him as an example. He has to discipline himself to write. He talks about this in his books. Most books do not come easily. They are a result of his nose to the grindstone. It appears as if they flowed effortlessly. That is THE mark of the genius that he is.

Let’s look at the hard aspects for a bit. Saturn in square or opposition can be a hard taskmaster, yielding the leather whip. The native may have been criticized as a child. When he grows up, he hears the voice of the critical parent in his head. With Saturn in square and opposition,the native may not enjoy his tasks, as I do with the Mars trine Saturn. He will, likely feel DRIVEN to perform and achieve.The hard aspects operate very differently than the easy/good aspects. This is just a fact and understanding it will help you to understand the charts.

Saturn in hard aspect to the Sun may make for a person who feels he does not have what it takes to undertake tasks. He may give up before he starts, simply because goals seem so very daunting. Saturn in hard aspect to Venus may make for a Venus who feels love is too hard to handle. He may not be able to balance responsibility with freedom. This is hard for anyone, but for the person with the Saturn/Venus square, it may be nearly impossible. In such cases, the person needs to find compensating positive aspects in the chart. Every person has struggles. The way to deal with them is to magnify one’s blessings.This is not an exhaustive study of Saturn in all aspects, but a general idea of how Saturn functions.

I was going to talk about synastry here, but the article is getting very long. I am a Gemini and don’t like long articles, usually, because they seem daunting. Just fire up your Saturn, I guess. However, I will say a few words about synastry before I leave. Saturn in trine and sextile will be a wonderful glue to keep you together through thick and thin. Saturn in hard aspect may make for the Saturn person being too critical of the planet person. Saturn in conjunction is considered a hard aspect, in my opinion. If you would like a detailed article about Saturn in synastry, I would be happy to write it.

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posted February 22, 2017 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness        Reply w/Quote
Saturn is simple - you reap what you sow. The outer planets might come up with a surprise and kick your butt even when you feel like you're on the right path, when it comes to Saturn you get exactly what you deserve, nothing more, nothing less.

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posted February 22, 2017 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stellia        Reply w/Quote
Some really good points here - essentially, you do reap what you sow with saturn.

I have venus square saturn natally, which is a difficult combination as it's like living with a constant hunger in relationship matters. The negative stuff in relationships seems to reinforce my in-built belief that I'm not good enough or whatever, and the positive stuff is usually met with 'I don't believe this is a genuine thing - why would they actually care?'.

That said, I'm now seven years past my first saturn return. I get it now. I have enough self-awareness to see the issues and nod wryly at these thoughts and ask myself 'is this true, this feeling?' and look for evidence elsewhere.

I think our relationship with saturn changes significantly as we age and accept the lessons he brings. For me - it's working hard with my demons (8th house) to dig into the real messages that is making a difference.

I have a friend who has a 1degree Sun-Saturn-Merc conjunction and I see his struggles too - there's definitely a sense of 'never being good enough' - and possibly dad issues, too. The twist is he works hard to find that esteem through visible means to tell the world (merc) through his actions, if not his words.

I'd certainly be interested to see a saturn in synastry post - I think there is a definite sense that the natal attitude towards saturn will influence the synastric 'coping' of saturn in synastry, but that's just an unfounded intuitive theory so would love to hear more.

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Orienta25
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posted February 26, 2017 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orienta25        Reply w/Quote
Go hard or go home.
I also love Saturn, probably cause it is in my frist house.
I understand Saturn as being fair, you work hard...you get the results.
You are determinded, you will succed.
Saturn makes me work on myself constantly and this is what I actaully find great, I mean it is hard but it is something you "working" on a long time and the results are more firm and long lasting.
I just love Saturn! When you can handle this energy well it is very benefial I would say even more then with Jupiter.
I consider Jupiter as luck all of a sudden but Saturn is the "luck" you can enjoy for a long time....

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posted February 26, 2017 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire        Reply w/Quote
Saturn rules my region, they say it ain`t anyboy manages to stay here.

I have heard this year is ruled by Saturn??

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posted February 26, 2017 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orienta25        Reply w/Quote
This year is ruled by Sun.

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posted February 26, 2017 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Orienta25:
This year is ruled by Sun.

Ok, thats nice also

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posted February 26, 2017 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg        Reply w/Quote
I have Moon trine Saturn at 1 degree but also Moon square Uranus and Neptune at 2 and 3 degrees respectively so it's definitely a contradiction. My emotions go UP then DOWN then after some intellectual bargaining from my Libra moon, that Moon/ Saturn kicks in along with my wide 8 degree Moon/ Jupiter conjunction.

I also have Sun square Saturn at 4 degrees.

Venus trine Saturn at 9 degrees. (very wide I know but I can definitely still feel it very strongly).

Mars square Saturn at 8 degrees.

Ascendant square Saturn at 2 degrees.

Everything said rings true. Life's responsibilities often feel like a burden. I try to view how others live their lives and see what makes them content with every day life. The pressure is suffocating and I worry incessantly. It's not ALL bad as it sounds but speaking from my Saturn's perspective, you get the picture.

I have always had an old soul and I never felt young and able to enjoy the moment. I was never a "TV teenager".

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posted February 26, 2017 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stellia:

I have venus square saturn natally, which is a difficult combination as it's like living with a constant hunger in relationship matters. The negative stuff in relationships seems to reinforce my in-built belief that I'm not good enough or whatever, and the positive stuff is usually met with 'I don't believe this is a genuine thing - why would they actually care?'.


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posted February 26, 2017 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238        Reply w/Quote
You did an excellent job with this article Ami! Thanks for sharing .

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Ami Anne
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posted February 26, 2017 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You did an excellent job with this article Ami! Thanks for sharing .

Thank you, H.

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posted February 27, 2017 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher        Reply w/Quote
The good: You get what you deserve. Which means that you can reap good things too. Karma isn't just bad karma, it's good too.

The bad: Saturn can be a dictator. Cold, unforgiving (well, it's forgiveness is delayed until after the punishment. It can also be rigid, repressive, snobby, severe, judgmental.

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