posted September 22, 2017 12:31 AM            

There were many cases where she tried to manipulate me and she's even known for her manipulation. She makes her manipulative trait so obvious and when she doesn't get her way she ******* about it and attempts to guilt trip you. I've told once before that i didn't appreciate her manipulating me and hearing what she's done to others makes me disgusted, yet I don't know how to address this major flaw to her.

I just want to know why and what makes her this way in her chart, I suspect it's her Mercury and Venus in Gemini both opposite Pluto or maybe it's her lack of squares or fixed plants in her chart?

Thank you in advanced :>

Her chart:
https://imgur.com/a/mXbIm

posted September 22, 2017 02:33 AM            

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Originally posted by XzaultaX:

I just want to know why and what makes her this way in her chart, I suspect it's her Mercury and Venus in Gemini both opposite Pluto or maybe it's her lack of squares or fixed plants in her chart?

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Pluto to mercury adds an ability to see BS in people (but they won't tell you openly), the opposition can add violent communication especially in an argument. If the person isn't mature, this aspect is quick to make a suspicious conclusion and the mercury is in Gemini, so it is very very quick. Trust is very little but they can also easily adapt their communication in every situation.

Pluto to venus, especially the hard aspects is the jealous venus and add some violent feelings when in love. As they are grown up, they learn to hide it because people leave when they show their true nature, especially when they try to show venus love. (But some won't try to hide their animalistic nature in love)

Lack of fixed planets in someone's chart doesn't make them manipulative. Don't forget "determination" comes from fixed planets, it is scarier if they are fixated in using manipulative tactics.

Square in someone's chart is difficult to handle, it is like a too much chaos situation that needs to be concurred. Either give a violence nature in someone's chart or make them a survivor. Lack of square doesn't make someone is manipulative or bad person.

Before I saw her natal chart, based on your story about guilt tripping, it is well known coming from Cancer (Libra or Pisces in certain placement). No surprised, she has Cancer sun. I think you are complaining because of your Libra mars makes a square SIGN to her Cancer sun.

I know a lot of Aries mooners. If you know them close or personally, Aries mooners with a WATER sun can be b**chy as they are in tune with emotions but at least they are honest with their feelings.

In my experience, real manipulative people tend to have a turbulence emotions but hide it or trying to repressed their emotions/anger/etc. They usually consciously or UNconsciously emotionally abuse the people which can be hard to recognize in a short period of time. It may obvious to the people who have an ability to observe directly to the person objectively or have a lot of knowledge about human nature in any kind of way.

I don't think she is a manipulative person but looks like faking some of her attitude or way to communicate is possible as you said it is obvious.

posted September 24, 2017 03:05 AM            

There insecure with a sharp mind so if they can control people they feel more confident and secure.

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posted September 28, 2017 07:06 AM            

She may be a feeler, intuitive who talks emotions or cares so they use that as a language to express things whereas you may be thinker and do not really rely on the feeling aspects of things preferring more logic\fact\ data to process information.Also I use my senses to take in information but have like 40% intuitive ability. To communicate to her you probably have to put it more emotional.

I use to find people who used emotions as being very manipulative but in their minds thinkers come off as cold and cynical. She would view you as being mean and she is probably around to teach you how to care for anothers feelings where you are there to help her put things into perspective.

posted September 28, 2017 02:23 PM            

This girl clearly has issues with her Neptune opposite Jupiter & Pluto-Mercury opposition since she is verbally (Mercury) manipulative (Pluto) and is oblivious (Neptune) to how excessive (Jupiter) this behavior is.

Some more things...

- Saturn conjunct Sun can make a person a cold b*tch who tries to come off as sweet (since hers is in sweet and kind Cancer).

- The Venus-Mercury in Gemini conjunction gives her the gift of gab meaning she artfully manipulates certain dumba*s people who aren't as keenly aware of her behavior as you thankfully are.

- Aries Moon people can be mean and ruthless.

- Her 1st house ruler in the 8th can give a Scorpionic (manipulative) vibe to her since Scorpio is the natural 8th house ruler. With her 1st house ruler being Jupiter in Leo it can give an excessive (Jupiter) personality (since its the ruler of the 1st house of self) with an insatiable need to be in the spotlight (Leo).

- Her 11th house of friends is in Scorpio which is probably why she may have fake friends or friends who think she's manipulative. Since you're her friend you notice this behavior in her quickly and easily

- Her 7th house of other people is Gemini ruled by Mercury which for her is conjunct Venus in Gemini but in her intercepted 6th house. Like I said previously, you notice her using that Mercurial speaking energy and Venusian vibe in a desperate attempt to paint her words and arguments with manipulative rhetoric.

posted September 28, 2017 02:32 PM            

- Your Venus opposite her Moon might show that what you guys individually expect in a friendship or cordial meeting is literally the opposite of what the other expects. This causes you two to butt heads.

posted September 28, 2017 10:50 PM            

@colorful butterfly
I've taken the test and I'm an ISTP (thinker) and sometimes I do come off as rude and mean, she often comes to me for emotional support and sometimes I mistake her coming to me as being b*tchy to me.

@SunAsc
-Sun/Saturn in Cancer
The descriptions you gave are mostly true, she did come off sweet and kind and first came to me asking to be friends and I tried talking to her, but she kept texting me every 5 minutes everyday, which led to a problem and led to us setting ourselves apart for a while, then we became friends again months later.

-Venus/Mercury
I heard from a friend that she manipulated this guy to fall madly in love with her. I don't know how but she somehow did it, I knew the guy from way back, he's pretty eccentric but since he fell into her hands, I guess he can't say no as an answer.

-11th house Scorpio
Yes, back in 2016, she was causing problems with people in her friend circle. Everybody knew that she was talking about them behind peoples back, so in result of that, all of her friends left her.

-3rd ruler in 8th
She kinda has that tone in her voice, as you were talking about.

-My Saturn opposite her ASC
I don't really hate her, we go and hang out on the weekends a lot and I have fun doing so, I suspect it's the Venus/Mars double whammy and whats making me continue being friends with her is my Venus trine her Saturn. I just don't have any tolerance for her making her pitiful attempts to manipulate me to do certain things for her little gain of not being lonely.

-My Sun squaring her Mars and my Venus opposite her Moon
Just one thing I wanted to add, I've noticed recently that we get in fights more often than usual, for example, I critiqued her artwork that she sent on a group chat and she got mad at me and the conversation went like this:

Me: I think you would benefit from drawing from real life and learning human proportions since the faces you drew look very off.
Her: I don't like people telling me what to do, that just makes everything not fun, so I am not going to learn proportions.
Me: Oh, sorry? Just trying to suggest things to help you get better, but ok I wont do that next time.
Her: Yeah, well unsolicited advice sucks.
Me: Yeah, what also sucks is not being able to take criticism, that's the real bummer man.
Her: I just draw for fun so nothing too serious. Just chill with the nitpicking and maybe try to be positive sometimes.

posted September 29, 2017 05:45 PM            

I am either ESTP or ISTP with a 9w8 ennogram. I think people maybe might alternate between the introversion and extroversion thing at times but I guess one prevails so prob ESTP.

posted September 29, 2017 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
Since you're noticing that you now get into fights more than usual you should check both of your progressed charts to see what's going on.

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This is true... like my moon in the 1st conjunct my pluto which squares my sun. Seems like transformation is the theme of my life or something and I do change my looks whenever my progressd moon goes into another sign. Aqua moon I died my hair like this turquoise color. Pisces I really got into perming my hair looks like hair from the islands as my daughter puts it.