posted March 29, 2018 10:33 AM            

R. Kelly: Sex Planet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na5h3XkWjsc

Forget Mars. Pluto is the planet of sex. Why have sex without an orgasm? That is likely why the house of sex is ruled by Pluto instead of Mars. That implies the house of love is the 12th, since love is associated with Neptune and not Venus. But you likely won't read that or this on the net unless you are at LL.

Here is the "The Love Planet" thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/239221.html

In the same way that Venus is too selfish to love, Mars is too selfish to merge into one. Both Neptune and Pluto likely provide selfless influence. Who wants a selfish lover during sex?

Here is Aquarius Pluto discovered in the 12th, the house of love, naturally ruled by the planet of love Neptune. Pluto's NN likely attacks the selfishness of Taurus with the help of Chiron to break down selfishness. In the same manner, Venus in the 8th is the only planet exalted, which likely represents selfishness to break down. Neptune is in Virgo, of course, since it knows how to serve unseflishly, while it is opposite to the selfish Venus in Pisces naturally ruled by Neptune.

posted March 29, 2018 11:07 AM            

(1) Venus in aspect to Mars is double selfish.

(2) Venus in aspect to Pluto is neutral.

(3) Venus in aspect to Neptune is neutral.

(4) Mars in aspect to Pluto is neutral.

(5) Mars in aspect to Neptune is neutral.

(6) Pluto in aspect to Neptune is double unselfish and the ultimate merging of one.

posted March 29, 2018 11:27 AM            

I don't know were venus is getting this rep of been selfish, Libras tend to be extremely conscientious and mindful of others and how their words, behavior or actions affect others, that is one of their strengths as a cardinal sign, interpersonal intelligence, they are aware of things that most people don't think about twice typically. For example, that is why they tend to be polite and very intune with social cues.

When a libra acts in a "selfish way" that is not a big deal and even normal, they feel super guilty. Like with a libra if we are sharing a plate of food they will keep worrying they are eating more than I am and in the end I would have eaten more from the plate but in their mind they ate more and feel guilty, they were so conscientious that they ended up eating less than me lol. That is libra.

Now Taurus I could see as more hedonistic and in that sense "selfish."

I just did a search about Libras and this is the first thing that popped out:

"Gracious, fair, and balanced Libra is among the most social and popular signs of the zodiac! Ruled by Venus, Libra is a loving sign that focuses strongly on partnership and prioritizes the needs of others."

The feminine signs/planets moon, venus and neptune are not selfish, they tend to be intune to other people's needs.

Libra

posted March 29, 2018 01:17 PM            

Barry White: Love Making Music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYEJFSsfEcs

Barry was loaded in the 8th:

posted March 29, 2018 03:48 PM            

Its almost like they are "restraining" layers of unbridled passion. Its no wonder Mars is exalted in Cap.

I didn't know Barry White had Asc in Cap. But I did know about his Moon in Cancer and Mars/Venus conjunct in Libra- which I believe is the reason I readily associated him with lovemaking rather than no holds barred sex.

With Moon ruling 6th and ruling the 7th, he must have been a consummate professional.
The type if person who is married(7th) to their job(6th)-and Moon in 7th stamps that.

Saturn is in Cancer in 6th is the perfectionist. But that Mc in Scorpio with ruler Mars in Libra suggests to me that he knew how to be sensual enough without being overly provocative. And that's how the world recalls him.

Barry White didn't need booty hopping girls like R.Kelly does to sell love. You hear Barry White and you think of making love.

Sun in Virgo/Venus in Libra tend to be extreme idealists/perfectionists. They can suffer great disappointments in love. So I wonder if he was married and happy?

posted March 29, 2018 03:51 PM            

I wouldn't say that Pluto is necessarily the planet of sex, but it certainly relates to La petite mort, in which sexual orgasm induces the momentary loss of ego necessary to learn merging with another. I see it as practice for death in which I let go of the temporal idea of myself to re-merge with Love Universal.

I agree, Mars does not promote this. Venus is pleasure focused. Pluto is about truly going all the way ... to loss of conscious grip on 'self' (ego) ... to death and beyond.

It is ironic that the arena of romantic relationships is the sporting ground of ego for so many people seeking eroticized (heightened) affirmation from others. If followed to its fullest, it actually leads us straight to the matter of surrendering ego. I can see how this can get old for the person who doesn't want surrender and oneness, but wants conquest, machismo, etc. It takes awareness and the finesse of spiritual subtlety to separate True Self from ego.

Ego separates and compares, emphasizing differences, distinction and superiority. True Self is Compassion, all-embracing. Sex drives us on, and we are lured in by desire to what could be seen as a hilarious trap in which we lose grip and let go a moment at a time. Ironic in that we find the Self that IS in another, yet still very much within our own bodies. Maybe you could call it quantum. Pluto understands this. Venus and Mars know nothing of it at all.

So its not that Pluto is the planet of sex, but of real merging, which some seem to resist. Eventually the universe and our own nature wears us down. We all re-merge at death.

posted March 29, 2018 05:35 PM            

Giggling also at Barry White's chart....is that actually real? It's like a beautifully cliched mock up. That man clear didn't deviate from his calling.

I may write more tomorrow, but I may not. I just want to agree with the importance of Pluto, letting go and the two becoming one. That is the highest and the lowest form of sex, the true form.

Mars has the higher expressions too of course, but thinking on it, in the context of this conversation, sex isn't really one of them. Physical appreciation of the self is more the Mars remit....and I'll be thinking on this subconsciously (using my 12th house Pluto to process it for me) during the remainder of the Mercury retrograde.

Thanks for the great thoughts from you all here~~~ inspiring me. x

posted March 29, 2018 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Great prose there Kannon, I complete concur.

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Kannon nicely written and expressed, the essence of pluto in the art of love making. I also agree and have lived it.

posted March 29, 2018 07:12 PM            

I think I have to establish that Venus is selfish first. In short, I have to hammer Venus. That likely means I should create a Venus related thread or go back to the "The Love Planet" thread. The demand was too weak for the "The Love Planet" thread to continue, so it should be allowed to drop down the thread stack. Maybe in a year or two someone will sense the value.

posted March 29, 2018 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Why on earth do you have to establish that Venus is selfish, the planet that rules relationships and marriage? LOL

Why do you have this need? Do you have something against Libras?

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posted March 29, 2018 09:37 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ No, you need Venus for marriage and relationships, Neptune loves someone else's wife as much as it loves it's own wife(or is it own wife as much as it loves someone else's wife).

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posted March 29, 2018 11:19 PM            

Libra

Exoteric ruling: Venus
Esoteric ruling: Uranus
Seeks harmony in others for the dream of accomplishing a fair, just community for all.

Libra wants a partnership of equals, for each to work together and pull their weight. The love libra/venus offers is founded on friendship and a marriage founded on friendship tends to last.

Libras are not exactly deep feelers, they are an air sign. I think that is why it doesn't feel like the planet of love to you and I get that, venus is the planet of relationships: it has libra and taurus. Taurus provides consistency and stability and is earth so its grounding, is fixed providing staying power and stamina. Libra has the interpersonal intelligence to make a relationship work and is air so is level headed. Together you have the ingredients for making a relationship last a lifetime.

To me Venus is not eros and psyche or chiron or the moon but it does rule relationships, libra is exalted in saturn and it is NOT selfish. It loves but in a way that can work for day to day and last a lifetime.

The emotional intensity of Pluto can be disruptive if experienced daily, you will emotionally burn out and it will be hard to function and focus, always thinking of the person you love, your emotions will take over and you may start acting on impulse or irrationally sabotaging the relationship instead of working things out like a level headed Libra would ect. Feelings of jealousy will disrupt the relationship and make it harder to have a healthy relationship. You start to obsess about betrayal like most folks with moon in Scorpio (they worry about this a lot!) etc...In plutonic relationships there tends to be an unbalance of power too were one has more power over the other and feels in control while the other feels out of control and vulnerable ect........You get my point, its great stuff to write a novel on but not an energy super conducive to a lasting marriage..plutonic relationships that last tend to have saturn energy grounding stuff, neutralizing some of the energy that is disruptive.