posted October 14, 2018 09:04 PM            

Jupiter in this house has a more neptunian expression were you believe in something you can't see that will protect you but you also feel the burden of the world but choose to use your jupiter energy to offer others hope and optimism, your optimism in a sense is a service to others in this house, the house of sacrifice and surrender, its energy you sacrifice and give freely to others. Like perhaps jupiter in the 12th tries to keep other's hope alive but also struggles with keeping their own alive bc the 12th is neptunian and comes with disillusionment of the world and wanting things to be better. Out of all the 12th house placements though jupiter here is able to bounce back quicker from those disillusionments for sure, it has to in order to be of service to others and help them keep their hope alive but jupiter here can also relate to the pain of others, its not this blind optimism that thinks everything is rainbows and unicorns, it knows life is hard and can empathize.

Jupiter there keeps hope alive for others who are struggling with keeping hope alive in themselves. I would think jupiter in the 1st is very good at keeping hope alive for themselves. Jupiter in the 11th is probably also great too at keeping hope alive for others but doesn't feel the pain/burden that jupiter in the 12th struggles with periodically is my guess.

posted October 14, 2018 09:12 PM            

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Originally posted by mercmercy99:
I have Jupiter in Cancer in the 5th house, and I would say I'm both very optimistic and "darkly realistic". I wouldn't outright say pessimistic because I think that sounds too negative lol. I have Moon conjunct Jupiter which I think amplifies the optimism, but I also have Moon opposite Saturn which really grounds me emotionally and makes me realize that you have to accept the lows as well as the highs and trudge through the harder aspects in life because they will be numerous and taxing.

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posted October 14, 2018 10:30 PM            

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3zf77RcGaI

[Intro]
Don’t, don’t
Don’t, don’t
Don’t, don’t

[Verse 1]
This ordinary thing can be more colourful than you say it is
The cardinal sin is to tell a lie but now you must give in

[Bridge]
The storm came down on you just like it was the end
And then you hid and you covered your head
But face the rage and feel how thrilling it can be
‘Cause in the bedlam there is always beauty

[Hook]
It’s shaking, it’s shaking the ground it’s a-breaking
And you can’t control it, so own it and feel good
I’m searching for glory, now tell me a story
I don’t want to hear that you no longer feel good

[Chorus]
Romanticise
Romanticise
Romanticise
Romanticise

[Verse 2]
There’s promising doors that are open at the end of the hall
And your loneliness calls, filling the spaces where you could have explored

[Bridge]
Despair came down on you just like it was the end
And then you hid and you covered your head
But face the rage and feel how thrilling it can be
'Cause in the bedlam there is always beauty

[Hook]
It’s shaking, it’s shaking the ground it’s a-breaking
And you can’t control it, so own it and feel good
I’m searching for glory, now tell me a story
I don’t want to hear that you no longer feel good

[Chorus]
Romanticise
Romanticise

[Verse 3]
The storm came down but don’t you runaway, runaway
Despair came down but don’t you hideaway, hideaway
It feels good if you just face it

[Hook]
It’s shaking, it’s shaking the ground it’s a-breaking
And you can’t control it, so own it and feel good
I’m searching for glory, now tell me a story
I don’t want to hear that you no longer feel good

[Chorus]
Romanticise
Romanticise

posted October 14, 2018 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I was just listening to this song and is so Jupiter conjunct Uranus!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3zf77RcGaI

[Intro]
Don’t, don’t
Don’t, don’t
Don’t, don’t

[Verse 1]
This ordinary thing can be more colourful than you say it is
The cardinal sin is to tell a lie but now you must give in

[Bridge]
The storm came down on you just like it was the end
And then you hid and you covered your head
But face the rage and feel how thrilling it can be
‘Cause in the bedlam there is always beauty

[Hook]
It’s shaking, it’s shaking the ground it’s a-breaking
And you can’t control it, so own it and feel good
I’m searching for glory, now tell me a story
I don’t want to hear that you no longer feel good

[Chorus]
Romanticise
Romanticise
Romanticise
Romanticise

[Verse 2]
There’s promising doors that are open at the end of the hall
And your loneliness calls, filling the spaces where you could have explored

[Bridge]
Despair came down on you just like it was the end
And then you hid and you covered your head
But face the rage and feel how thrilling it can be
'Cause in the bedlam there is always beauty

[Hook]
It’s shaking, it’s shaking the ground it’s a-breaking
And you can’t control it, so own it and feel good
I’m searching for glory, now tell me a story
I don’t want to hear that you no longer feel good

[Chorus]
Romanticise
Romanticise

[Verse 3]
The storm came down but don’t you runaway, runaway
Despair came down but don’t you hideaway, hideaway
It feels good if you just face it

[Hook]
It’s shaking, it’s shaking the ground it’s a-breaking
And you can’t control it, so own it and feel good
I’m searching for glory, now tell me a story
I don’t want to hear that you no longer feel good

[Chorus]
Romanticise
Romanticise

[Outro]
Don’t, don’t
Don’t, don’t
Don’t, don’t

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posted October 14, 2018 11:27 PM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
I should be. My 11th house Taurus Sun is almost exactly trine my 3rd Virgo Jupiter. But no I'm unfortunately not an optimistic person, in fact, my mom tells me I'm super pessimistic. Must be my abundance of Capricorn energy including my Capricorn 7th house moon. I guess people don't see me as positive. My Jupiter is in Virgo, the sign of Jupiter's detriment also lending to my less than optimistic vibe. Since my Jupiter is in Virgo in my 3rd house, I was known as extremely shy and cautious about my words (Virgo) in communication (3rd house) with neighbors and my school classmates growing up (3rd house is neighbors and lower education), even more so with it trine my 11th house Sun (11th house is the house of friends and groups aka the people I became friends with through my schooling). They never saw me as optimistic or particularly lucky which one would expect with an almost exact Sun-Jupiter trine.

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posted October 14, 2018 11:58 PM            

Not at all.
But totally opposite.

In Tropical Chart Jupiter 1 Deg in Scorpio 6th House.
Jupiter Trine Fortuna, Venus and Moon.
Jupiter Conjunct Pluto.
Jupiter Square Sun.

posted October 15, 2018 01:09 AM            

3rd, Cancer, conj Chiron.

I wouldn't say I am too optimistic, nor am I too pessimistic. I consider myself simply realistic.

People think pessimism means you're realistic. It doesn't. Pessimism and optimism have essentially the same delusional flavor to me.

I try to see things as they are, the good and the bad, and not "ignore" reality, for good or for ill.

I acknowledge at every turn that we may either successfully cross a road, or be hit by a car in the process. I am neither pessimistic in thinking I/we'll likely be hit if we cross it, nor do I believe we'll magically make it. All outcomes are possible. How I feel about the outcomes - that's a different story.

If I "appear" optimistic, that is simply because I choose to not act like there is a black cloud over my head (sometimes). My attitude is mine, it doesn't mean I think everything is "fine", but I still try to be realistic. Realism in no way means pessimism.

Our attitude about reality is most important, not pretending it is something we would like it to be.

And I think learning to have faith in ourselves, in our ability to overcome obstacles, is one of the most beneficial and realistic things we can do. It's not that bad things won't or don't happen, and that we won't be affected - it's how we deal.

posted October 15, 2018 01:50 AM            

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Originally posted by moongaze:
Jupiter in Virgo in the 6th house, with the 6th house cusp ruled by the Sun. During my health decline, I had an unusual ability to keep a positive attitude as well as establish a strict diet in order to keep my health in line. I was able to look for the root cause and dive in head first myself when doctors were unable to help me. Additionally, this placement from what I've noticed gives me the ability to find enjoyment through the minutiae of everyday life.

In general, I would say that I am more of an optimist at this stage in my life. However, I blame it on my unshakable idealism; it's what gives me something to aspire to as well as a focal point in life. This wasn't how I always was, though. Before my Venus and Mercury progressions to Leo, I was stuck in this Cancerous (lol) Negative Nancy rut, as my chart is oversaturated with water placements and severely lacking that much needed fire enthusiasm. Alternatively, I really believe that my many Plutonian transformations have brought me to this point as well, especially with my Moon and Mercury both trining my Pluto too. Of course, I still have bad days (I'm human afterall), but my overall outlook is to keep believing that things will get better and that every negative has something positive to offer. It's given me the will to keep living.

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That is beautiful moongaze! I love reading about how much you have changed in that way and for others to see is possible to go from been a negative nancy to been able to practice focusing on the positive. It really is something you practice but I always say we are allowed to have bad days or a bad week or a couple of weeks or even months but if you practice focusing on the positive you are able to bounce back quicker and get through it with a little bit of more ease and the extremes from the tough times are more contained so you don't get so lost in the negative you are not able to function and enjoy life.

posted October 15, 2018 02:06 AM            

Could your brother's IC in Aries also contribute to that optimism?

I see Aries on the Ic as an early environment that encouraged "belief in self", " you can do anything ", " you can overcome " etc.

So from that perspective of influence, the subsequent interaction with the greater external world(Lib Mc) is one of ease and idealism that all will be well and the person will be well received?

Jupiter in Sag ruling the 1st house in Sag definitely also contributes. As I have Jupiter in Sag conjunct the Sun. And I am like this.

My Ic has a majority Leo energy and so I am the atypical Cancer Ic in that I tend to also have a more optimistic bounce externally. A knowing that all will work out.

This(together with Mars in Libra) could explain my lack of urgency- thus making me less aggressive than the average Aries Asc.

@hypatia238

I would say I am an optimist. I watch romantic movies no matter how predictable they can get

And in my view,anyone who watches romantic movies is likely an optimist who wants to believe in the "glass is half empty" side of life.

posted October 15, 2018 08:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
My brother comes across as very optimistic to me at times. It's because his life hasn't been very difficult, which makes it easier for him to recover and bounce back when something difficult does happen to him. I'm not sure what his birth time is, but I believe Jupiter rules his Ascendant in Sagittarius. His Jupiter is also in Sagittarius. The house placement for Jupiter could be 11th house or 12th house. However, I think my brother has Midheaven in Libra and his IC is in Aries so that means Jupiter is in his 12th house.

I grew up thinking my brother was very lucky and then I checked his chart and he has more Retrograde planets than me. He has Jupiter in Retrograde, but he was born with no mental illnesses or disabilities of any kind. His positivity makes him blind to the problems other people have. If I was born on time, I'd have Jupiter Retrograde in my chart too.

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I do also tend to think that "optimism" can be used like a shield from reality for some.

posted October 15, 2018 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
I do also tend to think that "optimism" can be used like a shield from reality for some.

I've seen it with people who seem overly jovial and optimistic. Eventually, at some point, everything they ignored, denied, or "spun in a positive way" to make themselves feel good, all comes crashing down, and they experience hardship in a rapid fire succession. This could be what is waiting or him.

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Practicing optimism is not about been in denial, I don't support that, is more about balancing out our negativity bias so you get the full picture. You acknowledge the pain and discomfort and let yourself feel it but you also look for the good and beauty so you have a balanced perspective bc we tend to over focus on the negative, having a more balanced perspective helps you not over react and stay more grounded during a crisis or difficult times in your life, you can get through it with more ease in a sense, depending on the crisis it could feel like a contained roller coaster.

posted October 15, 2018 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Practicing optimism is not about been in denial, I don't support that, is more about balancing out our negativity bias so you get the full picture. You acknowledge the pain and discomfort and let yourself feel it but you also look for the good and beauty so you have a balanced perspective bc we tend to over focus on the negative, having a more balanced perspective helps you not over react and stay more grounded during a crisis or difficult times in your life, you can get through it with more ease in a sense, depending on the crisis it could feel like a contained roller coaster.

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posted October 15, 2018 02:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Yeah, I tend to agree. But up there that's why I put it in quotes, because for some people they pretend it's optimism when it's not the real kind. Kind of like self medicating with mood altering drugs to escape and feel good, only the drug free kind of feeling good, if you catch my drift ~

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posted October 15, 2018 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Very! I do have “down periods” thanks to my Cap Moon but Jupiter is always picking me up! Everyday is a new day for me and possible opportunities

Taurus Jupiter 9H conj MC, Chiron, SN.

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posted October 15, 2018 02:10 PM            

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I have IC in Aries with Sag rising like her brother but I doubt her brother has Jupiter in the 12th though bc his optimism sounds way more perky than mine

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@Lerena
Could your brother's IC in Aries also contribute to that optimism?

I see Aries on the Ic as an early environment that encouraged "belief in self", " you can do anything ", " you can overcome " etc.

So from that perspective of influence, the subsequent interaction with the greater external world(Lib Mc) is one of ease and idealism that all will be well and the person will be well received?

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I've seen it with people who seem overly jovial and optimistic. Eventually, at some point, everything they ignored, denied, or "spun in a positive way" to make themselves feel good, all comes crashing down, and they experience hardship in a rapid fire succession. This could be what is waiting or him.

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