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ChildofVenus
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posted February 26, 2019 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hard Sun/Saturn aspects? Like would the person feel like they don’t deserve to have nice things?

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posted February 26, 2019 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Radium     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes

Sun Saturn conjunction in Pisces here

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posted February 26, 2019 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It makes someone who makes very high demands of himself that no one could keep. The mother may have had too high expectations, too.

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posted February 26, 2019 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nadja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun (Gemini 9th) opposite Saturn (Sagittarius 3rd) and I have to say that while I didn't have the best sense of self-worth when I was a child (I was bullied a lot) that is not true anymore. I have rather high self-esteem these days, and self-confidence too.

The orb of my opposition is 5 degrees, so not exactly close... but not too wide either. Sun does trine Ascendant, and Saturn trines Jupiter, so that might help. But both are also square to my Moon, which one would think would be further bad news for my self-esteem... Doesn't seem to work that way though. I have lots of really close aspects in my chart, so maybe these wider Saturn aspects aren't felt as much in comparison...?

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posted February 26, 2019 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Radium:
Yes

Sun Saturn conjunction in Pisces here


Do you think it would the same for the opposition?

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posted February 26, 2019 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It makes someone who makes very high demands of himself that no one could keep. The mother may have had too high expectations, too.


This aspect is said to have something to do with the father. Do you mean that people can’t live up to their standards?

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posted February 26, 2019 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have sun square saturn my fiancee has sun conjunct, both of us had issues as kids with that sort of thing

cool with myself now so is she

makes the father ineffectual in some way, could be strict/harsh parenting as well

in my case my father was at work more than when he was home and that was for the better really when he was home he was abusive, my mother was too but she was nicer more often

high expectations though yeah, i had the misfortune of having an older brother who did terribly in school and i was in gifted programs getting scholarships and awards etc without really trying but that made them psycho about ****

my younger brother was my father's golden child too so i got **** for everything he did wrong if my father was around, and then dumb **** too

my father flipped his **** once and beat me over my younger brother tripping over his own blocks and crying

he was supposed to be watching us and was in another room watching baseball came running in when he heard my brother cry and just came at me

i'd get hit if i got out of bed or made noise at night (had issues with insomnia my whole life so that was fun)

if i wasn't feeling good and my parents decided i was faking it even if i wasnt

etc and so on **** like that

my fiancee's father was a nice guy though (he was like a second dad to me and her and him were close) but her mother was/is extremely abusive (textbook narcissist) and he didn't do enough to keep his kids out of that situation, died when we were teenagers in a motorcycle accident and then her mother really went off the deep end

she loved him a lot, but her and i have talked about how she wished he had done more to keep them away from her mother

you don't typically see a saturn-sun harsh aspect where there isn't some issue with the father

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posted February 26, 2019 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah, high-standard tho perhaps, I've always been rather ambitious, and I do like to work hard, before I get something, but then again I don't seem to get them without making any effort.

Come to think of it, I did feel like I didn't deserve the girl I dated in the last relationship I had, I mean I was the bomb at the time, better than most, at the peak of my life, but she for me seemed so surrrreal..kinda like a dream weeee..and if I wasn't at my peak I wouldn't even go for her, nyah..so ya there might be some self-worth issues, but then again I feel like the best deserves only the best.

I have the Sun Saturn conjunction.

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posted February 26, 2019 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nadja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding the parental-issues mentioned... I have very close and loving relationships with both my parents. When I was a child my dad was the sole provider for our family so he worked a lot of the time when I was a child. And when he was at home he did the practical chores that my artist mother wasn't really cut out for. As a result I didn't do a lot of fun stuff with my dad... therefore he was a bit distant. My relationship with my mum was the closer one back then. Other than that my relationship with my dad has always been good. Never abusive or harsh in any way. My father is a rock, a stable point in life, while my mum is way more chaotic but very inspiring and idealistic. My relationship with mum has had its ups and downs, due to some metal illnes on her part, but we are extremely close still.

I've also probably vastly exceeded any expectations my parents might have had, since they never seemed to have any apart from the very basic 'get through school and get a job'. There wasn't really much in the way of rules or discipline either. My mum read some very hippie child-rearing book according to which a child should be free to explore the world so long as there was no obvious danger to life and limb. So my brother and I were let loose in the world with little to no stricture. To good result really, we are both highly educated and decently successful.

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posted February 26, 2019 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i have sun square saturn my fiancee has sun conjunct, both of us had issues as kids with that sort of thing

cool with myself now so is she

makes the father ineffectual in some way, could be strict/harsh parenting as well

in my case my father was at work more than when he was home and that was for the better really when he was home he was abusive, my mother was too but she was nicer more often

high expectations though yeah, i had the misfortune of having an older brother who did terribly in school and i was in gifted programs getting scholarships and awards etc without really trying but that made them psycho about ****

my younger brother was my father's golden child too so i got **** for everything he did wrong if my father was around, and then dumb **** too

my father flipped his **** once and beat me over my younger brother tripping over his own blocks and crying

he was supposed to be watching us and was in another room watching baseball came running in when he heard my brother cry and just came at me

i'd get hit if i got out of bed or made noise at night (had issues with insomnia my whole life so that was fun)

if i wasn't feeling good and my parents decided i was faking it even if i wasnt

etc and so on **** like that

my fiancee's father was a nice guy though (he was like a second dad to me and her and him were close) but her mother was/is extremely abusive (textbook narcissist) and he didn't do enough to keep his kids out of that situation, died when we were teenagers in a motorcycle accident and then her mother really went off the deep end

she loved him a lot, but her and i have talked about how she wished he had done more to keep them away from her mother

you don't typically see a saturn-sun harsh aspect where there isn't some issue with the father


Yes the person I’m talking about has the opposition. He said his mom and dad divorced. I didn’t ask why though
because I didn’t want to be nosy. I’ve read that this has something to do with having bad relations with the father. I can understand that’s for sure I don’t have Sun/Saturn. But I have Saturn in the 4th house. It’s strange because he doesn’t like to take money from me. And he doesn’t like me to spend money on him. I was just trying to help him out. Because I know he works a lot and I think he struggles. He was so upset when I told him I bought him something. He kept saying he doesn’t want a handout. I told him he deserves new things sometimes not always used because he works so hard.

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posted February 26, 2019 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ My bro has the opposition, and he too might have that kinda issue I think, like he never really buys himself nice things, or gives himself treats, and has always bought the stuffs he needs from the money he has saved(dude is 15, so he been doing that for most of his life ever since he started saving money which was since 7-8, and he even lends us when we need it rofl).

I can understand the dude too though, I have this dislike for being helped by others to pick me up from the mess I'm in, I would not call it dislike really, that'd be too strong of a word for itt, but most of the time I like to deal with my stuff on my own, without being helped.

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posted February 26, 2019 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ My bro has the opposition, and he too might have that kinda issue I think, like he never really buys himself nice things, or gives himself treats, and has always bought the stuffs he needs from the money he has saved(dude is 15, so he been doing that for most of his life ever since he started saving money which was since 7-8, and he even lends us when we need it rofl).

I can understand the dude too though, I have this dislike for being helped by others to pick me up from the mess I'm in, I would not call it dislike really, that'd be too strong of a word for itt, but most of the time I like to deal with my stuff on my own, without being helped.


But I see where he’ll make a post asking if someone has something he can have or buy and then he’ll delete it. So it’s obvious that he needs help otherwise he wouldn’t ask. There is nothing wrong with having help sometimes we all need help at times.

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posted February 26, 2019 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ That's a classic Saturn issue I think

Get help ? No do it on your own..

But I need help, No I wanna deal with it on my own

That last part might be difficult for a Saturnian to get I think, more than most anyway, like we are so used to deal with stuff on our own, that it's difficult for us to ask for it really. I don't know what prevents me most of the time, but I definitely know there is this blockage or whatever I feel whenever I feel like asking for help. It's just dumb on my part I guess, I do know being helped makes things a lot simpler.

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posted February 26, 2019 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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^ That's a classic Saturn issue I think

Get help ? No do it on your own..

But I need help, No I wanna deal with it on my own


But we all need help and I think it’s important that he knows that it’s ok. It’s ok to buy yourself nice things it’s ok to get help.

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posted February 26, 2019 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Yes the person I’m talking about has the opposition. He said his mom and dad divorced. I didn’t ask why though
because I didn’t want to be nosy. I’ve read that this has something to do with having bad relations with the father. I can understand that’s for sure I don’t have Sun/Saturn. But I have Saturn in the 4th house. It’s strange because he doesn’t like to take money from me. And he doesn’t like me to spend money on him. I was just trying to help him out. Because I know he works a lot and I think he struggles. He was so upset when I told him I bought him something. He kept saying he doesn’t want a handout. I told him he deserves new things sometimes not always used because he works so hard.

i get that i don't tend to spend money on myself (except when it's been drugs), and i don't really feel comfortable asking for or accepting things

my fiancee will yell at me about it and just buy me **** though, always has

it's not a self worth issue so much as a i don't really care about many things that you need money for

i think that's partially because where my father was there for me was financially

i once told him i was feeling suicidal, lot of **** before that went down first and last serious conversation i had with him ever (my parents are married but my father and i can only get along if we're making fun of something, when it comes to that we can be a lot alike or watching a movie we can have very similar taste in those) i was in my mid 20's

he gave me a long speech about how he didnt approve of me as a person (sexuality stuff and me not meeting his standards when it comes to his views on gender and what someone should be like) and then gave me money

and he's always been the throw money at things type and that's always made that sort of thing feel empty to me even when i i know someone else is trying to be nice and i dont get a whole lot of pleasure from material things generally

also there's that need to be self sufficient it can give you, hard aspects to saturn make depending on someone uncomfortable

i have cap on my 4th house cusp and the only thing saturn is doing in my chart is squaring my sun from the 2nd (in placidus 3rd in whole signs)

my father definitely affected my attitude towards material things which is part of sun-saturn

my fiancee's father was like that too, but in a different way he didn't give money freely and when he did he'd give a lecture on the value of it

if he lent us something (he used to lend me music equipment he collected things with the intent to play, but never actually put the time in to really learn) he would tell us how much it cost, what a good deal he got, how much it meant etc

he didn't believe in buying a lot of material things, he believed in getting things that had value (my fiancee's mother on the other hand is a compulsive shopper and will spend money she doesnt even have and throw money at everything spending it on complete **** or use it to control people etc) and appreciating and taking care of what you had

we actually still laugh about his lectures sometimes, they were endearing though and both of us still have a lot of respect for who he was as a person

so what you're talking about likely does come from his sun-saturn opposition, and it's probably a complicated matter that runs deeper than the divorce

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posted February 26, 2019 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ That's a classic Saturn issue I think

Get help ? No do it on your own..

But I need help, No I wanna deal with it on my own

That last part might be difficult for a Saturnian to get I think, more than most anyway, like we are so used to deal with stuff on our own, that it's difficult for us to ask for it really. I don't know what prevents me most of the time, but I definitely know there is this blockage or whatever I feel whenever I feel like asking for help. It's just dumb on my part I guess, I do know being helped makes things a lot simpler.


i hate asking for help too, if i cant reciprocate and sometimes even if i can id rather go without than get help

i'm fine with giving help, and i see nothing inherently wrong with someone needing help but if it's me i feel a need to do things on my own or be able to provide something and make it worthwhile for the other person or it doesnt feel right

what's odd is i help people and don't expect things in return and can find the idea of doing something for someone else and expecting something back uncomfortable

it's a weird double standard, but i feel like when it's me it's different

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posted February 27, 2019 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It makes someone who makes very high demands of himself that no one could keep.


Yes, it is.
My brother has Sun Conjunct Saturn.
Alo both opposite Moon.

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posted February 27, 2019 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hard Sun/Saturn aspects? Like would the person feel like they don’t deserve to have nice things?

Only when in the 2nd house,ruling the 2nd house or in aspect to the 2nd house ruler. As the 2nd house is "self esteem".

So if Leo is in 2nd house cusp(Cancer Asc) and Saturn aspects its ruler(Sun) . .yes.

if Sun rules the 2nd house and Saturn is placed there. Yes.

If Saturn rules the 5th house and Venus is placed there. Yes.

if Venus rules the 10th/11th house and the Sun is placed there. Yes.

If Sun in debilitated in the 2nd house i.e Sun in Aqua.It is co-ruled by Saturn through default. So...yes.

Sun in Cap in the 2nd house. Yes.

Sun/Venus/Saturn in aspect. Yes

Venus/Saturn conjunct in Leo. Yes.

Sun/Venus conjunct in Cap. Yes

Sun/Saturn conj in Taurus. Yes

Saturn/Uranus in Leo in 2nd house. Yes.

Venus in Cap/Aqua in 5th house. Yes.

Sun in Taurus in 10th/11th house. Yes

If Sun/Saturn are conjunct. It does create some obstacles as Saturn is the ruler of the 6th house for the solar chart Sun(Leo). But when in 2nd, the "obstacles" relate more poignantly to self-esteem.

Saturn makes it difficult for people to accept compliments or appreciate their own beauty. As Saturn is the solar 6th house ruler of Venus (Taurus). Which is self esteem.

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posted February 27, 2019 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don’t think it always has to do with high standards. A person with high standards wouldn’t be upset when a person tries to give them money or something new.

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posted February 27, 2019 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i hate asking for help too, if i cant reciprocate and sometimes even if i can id rather go without than get help

i'm fine with giving help, and i see nothing inherently wrong with someone needing help but if it's me i feel a need to do things on my own or be able to provide something and make it worthwhile for the other person or it doesnt feel right

what's odd is i help people and don't expect things in return and can find the idea of doing something for someone else and expecting something back uncomfortable

it's a weird double standard, but i feel like when it's me it's different


Do you have high standards? I don’t get a high standards vibe from this guy by the way he carries himself.

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posted February 27, 2019 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Do you have high standards? I don’t get a high standards vibe from this guy by the way he carries himself.

what counts as high standards?

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posted February 27, 2019 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
what counts as high standards?

I don't know really

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posted February 27, 2019 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't know really

lol then it's hard to really answer that because i think i'm pretty realistic about myself

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posted February 27, 2019 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i hate asking for help too, if i cant reciprocate and sometimes even if i can id rather go without than get help

i'm fine with giving help, and i see nothing inherently wrong with someone needing help but if it's me i feel a need to do things on my own or be able to provide something and make it worthwhile for the other person or it doesnt feel right

what's odd is i help people and don't expect things in return and can find the idea of doing something for someone else and expecting something back uncomfortable

it's a weird double standard, but i feel like when it's me it's different


I'm like that. No Saturn aspect (except the conjunction to Jupiter) but I have Mars in the 10th house, the Saturnian house and Saturn in the 4th house.
Very uncomfortable with asking for help, even with people who I've helped numerous times before. I have this inherent feeling that there is only myself to rely on in this world.

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posted February 27, 2019 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
lol then it's hard to really answer that because i think i'm pretty realistic about myself

I guess it’s like being picky about things, thinking highly of yourself not compromising. If a person doesn’t reach your standards you don’t want them etc. Maybe the person you are with may need to have a good job or be educated I’m just guessing lol.

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