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Hikaru29
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posted February 28, 2019 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've a friend who gossips about everyone and she'll twist the facts, "customising" her stories to suit different audiences which has caused a lot of confusions & misunderstandings among friends, and has upset a lot of us. Lately it has gotten worse and people are calling her a sh*t stirrer.

I tried to counsel her but she got upset with me and started badmouthing me as well.

I don't wish to post her chart but what could contribute to this?

She has a busy Mercury - in Aries 12H conjunct Sun/Chiron, sextile Mars/Saturn, square Jupiter, trine Neptune, opposite Uranus/Pluto.

Her Mercury is also part of 2 t-squares with Jupiter as the Apex in 9H. Also part of 2 mystic rectangles with Mars/Saturn/Neptune/Pluto.

Her heaviest element is air and least in water.

What else should I look at?

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posted February 28, 2019 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilypad18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ooooohhhhhh, 3rd house placements, IME, are the ones that gossip the most, with their need for constant communication. It turns into nervous energy and they end up expressing it through gossip. I met a Scorpio Neptune in 3rd house once and it was actually horrible, not only he gossiped about everyone and everything, he also lied about everyone and everything.


I think ur friend isn't even aware of what she is doing, and with Mercury conjuncting the sun AND specially Chiron, it hurts her a lot for someone to point out truths about here (since these placements are in the 12th house). Being part of not one, but 2 T-squares, oh my!!! she has lots of energy and all of it expresses itself through gossiping. The opposition from Uranus and Pluto may make her gossip have sudden, unexpected and ugly consequences if she doesn't learn how to handle her mercury.

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posted March 01, 2019 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mercury/Ceres/Chiron/Sun all conjunct in the 6th in Aries. I talk about things, but am not into gossip.

Someone used to do that online, to a group of people and myself. They're no longer around, that I know of, but I'm not even sure if their chart was real. The whole Jussie Smollett case had me thinking about her, because she did it for years, stirred trouble, made things up, and I'm still not sure what was real, and what she lied about.

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posted March 01, 2019 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lilypad18:
ooooohhhhhh, 3rd house placements, IME, are the ones that gossip the most, with their need for constant communication. It turns into nervous energy and they end up expressing it through gossip. I met a Scorpio Neptune in 3rd house once and it was actually horrible, not only he gossiped about everyone and everything, he also lied about everyone and everything.


I think ur friend isn't even aware of what she is doing, and with Mercury conjuncting the sun AND specially Chiron, it hurts her a lot for someone to point out truths about here (since these placements are in the 12th house). Being part of not one, but 2 T-squares, oh my!!! she has lots of energy and all of it expresses itself through gossiping. The opposition from Uranus and Pluto may make her gossip have sudden, unexpected and ugly consequences if she doesn't learn how to handle her mercury.


i have a lot going on with my 3rd house, and i'm not into gossiping find it boring when people want to just talk **** about other people

i do like to just talk to make noise though, just to do it because i get bored easily and find it stimulating enough even if i don't care for the conversation

and i also like to just make noise, which is why i have birds they appreciate that ****

i'm a generally noisy person anyway though if i'm not running my mouth i'm whistling or making noise at the birds, singing and playing guitar, banging on things etc and so on

to balance it out i can be extremely quiet though

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posted March 01, 2019 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Strong and/or negatively emphasized Jupiter aspects/placements?

I'm not into gossip. I will talk about things people have done that have personally upset me and what-not but not into just gossiping. If someone personally did something that upset or bothered you and you need someone to talk to about it I'm all ears but I honestly don't care about who is doing what and the ******** that comes with it. I have Pisces Jupiter in the 5th and it is the least aspected planet in my chart. Gossip to me is stupid, find something more interesting to talk about.

I know an Aries Mercury conj. Jupiter that gossips. She has Jupiter sextile Venus and opposite ASC (Both exact) with Jupiter Trine NN, sextile Uranus, and square MC.

My dad is a Sag Moon with a grand trine between Sun-Moon, and Jupiter, and constantly talks **** about everyone and everything he doesn't like. He does this with his good friend, who is a triple Sag (Has Sun, Moon, ASC, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Neptune, and NN all in Sag) and they gossip about everything and everyone. Just got done listening to them talk about how Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus and all of them are just trying to copy Madonna but "at least Madonna was attractive", not to mention this theory they have for vaping that is was made for girls and that guys who do it are "******* ". It's like going to the gossip girls club in high-school.

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posted March 02, 2019 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lilypad18:
ooooohhhhhh, 3rd house placements, IME, are the ones that gossip the most, with their need for constant communication.

Her 3H is empty. I'm thinking it's all those tension her Mercury is involved in and because it's in Aries, it carries the risk of running her mouth off w/o thinking.

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posted March 03, 2019 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I've a friend who gossips about everyone and she'll twist the facts, "customising" her stories to suit different audiences which has caused a lot of confusions & misunderstandings among friends, and has upset a lot of us. Lately it has gotten worse and people are calling her a sh*t stirrer.

I tried to counsel her but she got upset with me and started badmouthing me as well.

I don't wish to post her chart but what could contribute to this?

She has a busy Mercury - in Aries 12H conjunct Sun/Chiron, sextile Mars/Saturn, square Jupiter, trine Neptune, opposite Uranus/Pluto.

Her Mercury is also part of 2 t-squares with Jupiter as the Apex in 9H. Also part of 2 mystic rectangles with Mars/Saturn/Neptune/Pluto.

Her heaviest element is air and least in water.

What else should I look at?


I would reckon Mercury/Jupiter square aspect would make someone like that. As Mercury is affiliated with small talk and the square aspect with Jupiter tends to amplify that.

So the individual skeems over details and may exaggerate things ; many times being "liberal" with facts and "inventing" certain details.

The defensiveness is typical of Sun/Chiron/Mercury in Aries.

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posted March 03, 2019 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluesky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How very interesting. I have all of the aspects mentioned, but not the Jupe square.

Still, for what it's worth, if someone's brassed me off enough, I won't tell lies about them, but with my creative imagination (and planets in Gemini), I will certainly tell a darn good story about them!

One instance of when pens are mightier than swords!

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posted March 03, 2019 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh good grief I was just bracing myself for the typical ”gemini placements!” finger pointings

I’m positively surpriced its not the case, yet lol.

What is tve orb of pluto to her mercury?
Pluto-mercury makes someone super aware of ones. communication. So if its a tight orb by pluto, I would have a very hard time believing she not being very aware of what she is doing^^.

3rd house planet making someone gossipy. No it depends on the sign and planet of course. For ex I have pluto in scorpio in 3rd opposite mercury, I hate gossip, I’m more about wanting to have a good control over my communication and also trying to control my pushiness in my communication. I hate gossip, I’m more interested in trying to get out secrets one on one by asking light to ddeep questions to the person and analyzing the person. I’m also super aware of what I say and how I say it and I do my best to shape and control the outcome, which of course is hard bc you can’t control other peoples minds of you or their perception of you.

I would say, many people like gossiping. And taking it too far is just, a bad habit. Like the bad hanit of lying. Or cheating etc. Being in aries it can make one defensive yes, and childish, also hard to control herself when she gains ”momentum”. Thats what I observed in fire mercuries. Saturn and pluto and uranus ”should” curb all that but if they don’t there should be other aspects to look at other then her mercury^^

How does her moon look like? Moon is connected very much with communication aswell

Also as said, gossiping is a bad habit

(on my phone, have no time to correct misspellings^^)

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posted March 03, 2019 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:

What is tve orb of pluto to her mercury?
Pluto-mercury makes someone super aware of ones. communication. So if its a tight orb by pluto, I would have a very hard time believing she not being very aware of what she is doing^^.

3rd house planet making someone gossipy. No it depends on the sign and planet of course. For ex I have pluto in scorpio in 3rd opposite mercury, I hate gossip, I’m more about wanting to have a good control over my communication and also trying to control my pushiness in my communication. I hate gossip, I’m more interested in trying to get out secrets one on one by asking light to ddeep questions to the person and analyzing the person. I’m also super aware of what I say and how I say it and I do my best to shape and control the outcome, which of course is hard bc you can’t control other peoples minds of you or their perception of you.

I would say, many people like gossiping. And taking it too far is just, a bad habit. Like the bad hanit of lying. Or cheating etc. Being in aries it can make one defensive yes, and childish, also hard to control herself when she gains ”momentum”. Thats what I observed in fire mercuries. Saturn and pluto and uranus ”should” curb all that but if they don’t there should be other aspects to look at other then her mercury^^

How does her moon look like? Moon is connected very much with communication aswell

Also as said, gossiping is a bad habit

(on my phone, have no time to correct misspellings^^)


Her Mercury opposes Pluto at 6°. I used to think she doesn't realise what she's doing but I don't think that way anymore. She isn't doing the usual gossiping like "Hey, did you hear XXX got sacked? The couple next door divorced...blah blah..." that kinda thing which I believe all of us have done before. When we compared notes, we realised she gave half truths to turn the story in her favour, twisted some facts, exaggerated what we said, etc.

She has Sag Moon in 8H trine Aries Sun/Chiron in 12H, trine Ascendant, square Pluto in 6H.

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posted March 03, 2019 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok I see. I thought you ment usual gossiping but on like, turbo mode, or well I imagined it that way haha

Ok, twisting words and others perceptions etc, sounds like pluto/scorpio gone bad. Using pluto energies to "control information", but in a "gossip" kind of way so I guess her control issue is more petty if I may say so? Or like, she can't control herself from being this way etc?

Twisting information is alike pluto/scorpio and gemini, which is the sign inconjunct scorpio so they have thise things in common , energy wise..

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posted March 04, 2019 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
ok I see. I thought you ment usual gossiping but on like, turbo mode, or well I imagined it that way haha

Ok, twisting words and others perceptions etc, sounds like pluto/scorpio gone bad. Using pluto energies to "control information", but in a "gossip" kind of way so I guess her control issue is more petty if I may say so? Or like, she can't control herself from being this way etc?

Twisting information is alike pluto/scorpio and gemini, which is the sign inconjunct scorpio so they have thise things in common , energy wise..


Ya, it's a lot worse than just gossiping. I'm not sure if it's her Pluto gone bad as she does have a lot of Pluto in her chart - square Sag Moon, opp Aries Mercury, trine Gemini Venus/Mars. She's very controlling and intrusive indeed. I used to tell her off for meddling in my affairs.

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posted March 04, 2019 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Ya, it's a lot worse than just gossiping. I'm not sure if it's her Pluto gone bad as she does have a lot of Pluto in her chart - square Sag Moon, opp Aries Mercury, trine Gemini Venus/Mars. She's very controlling and intrusive indeed. I used to tell her off for meddling in my affairs.

Sounds like a pain in the butt indeed!
Yes, obsessively intrusive and controlling. Is she in your close circle? Will it be easy to avoid her? Do you wanna avoid her?

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posted March 04, 2019 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
Sounds like a pain in the butt indeed!
Yes, obsessively intrusive and controlling. Is she in your close circle? Will it be easy to avoid her? Do you wanna avoid her?

Close circle and we have a lot of common friends. It will be hard to completely avoid her but I've cut down contact and stopped telling her things. Still, what I realised is she can still spin some sort of stories about people, e.g. she used to tell me that a friend of ours has no friends because no one likes her and that's why she's always hanging out with her. I later found it to be completely untrue! For the life of me, I cannot understand why she spread that kinda rumour about her.

And this is just the tip.

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posted March 04, 2019 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Close circle and we have a lot of common friends. It will be hard to completely avoid her but I've cut down contact and stopped telling her things. Still, what I realised is she can still spin some sort of stories about people, e.g. she used to tell me that a friend of ours has no friends because no one likes her and that's why she's always hanging out with her. I later found it to be completely untrue! For the life of me, I cannot understand why she spread that kinda rumour about her.

And this is just the tip.


Yikes if that is just the tip!

Well unless she wanna change herself, its gonna be hard to point things out, she will deny it to death I guess...

Scorpio/pluto and Aries unevolved...

Also made me think, not seing her faults or not accepting them, may be.. that jupiter square to her mercury aswell! I have seen this in people around me. They are super sure of themselves being right and would never admit to their faults.

Its a bit different from taurus or leo, scorpio stubborness for ex.

With jupiter mercury-sun bad energy types, its like they believe themselves they are not doing anything wrong.. (like Trump who has many jupiter aspects I recall),

just what I observed about jupiters bad sides manifested in some peoples sun-mercuries, so don't jump me anyone now

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posted March 04, 2019 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
Also made me think, not seing her faults or not accepting them, may be.. that jupiter square to her mercury aswell! I have seen this in people around me. They are super sure of themselves being right and would never admit to their faults.

Its a bit different from taurus or leo, scorpio stubborness for ex.

With jupiter mercury-sun bad energy types, its like they believe themselves they are not doing anything wrong.. (like Trump who has many jupiter aspects I recall),

just what I observed about jupiters bad sides manifested in some peoples sun-mercuries, so don't jump me anyone now


I think it's multiple aspects. Jupiter-Mercury harsh aspect alone will make someone exaggerate what they say but not in doing malicious gossips.

Some aspects of hers indicate she doesn't listen well to others - Sun conjunct Mercury which also oppose Uranus. These two give her a quick wit and eagerness to speak but poor in listening and accepting others' opinions. Mercury opposite Pluto also give her strong opinions so she can often get into conflict with close ones. Couple this with her Aries temper and Gemini sharp tongue, she can get really offensive when she's annoyed.

She can't see herself but feels that everyone is against her. I think that's why she manifests all the negative traits + negative Pluto energy.

We used to be really close but I don't know how to help her. She's just very toxic now.

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posted March 04, 2019 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bluesky:
How very interesting. I have all of the aspects mentioned, but not the Jupe square.

Still, for what it's worth, if someone's brassed me off enough, I won't tell lies about them, but with my creative imagination (and planets in Gemini), I will certainly tell a darn good story about them!

One instance of when pens are mightier than swords!


what's the difference between a lie and a "darn good story' you've used your "creative imagination" for? sounds like the exact same thing

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