posted March 03, 2019 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
What’s in your fifth house?

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posted March 03, 2019 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Stuff in your 5th, and I heard the Nodes, especially the south node, makes someone really not want kids, or be satisfied without them. In fact, having kids would not be auspicious for them.

Also, 11th house placements, if I'm not mistaken, lead someone to want to "create their own family" via friends or adoption.

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posted March 03, 2019 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
I have Mars at the cusp of the 5th.

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I've got Mars there. Don't want kids myself. Feel like they'd suck the joy from my life lol when people say "aww look at that baby bundle of JOY!"
I secretly think "you mean bundle of CHAOS who's been living, and will continue to live, as a parasite? Sucking up money and happiness and freedom? XD no ty. I'll be the "cool aunt"

Though I did also read Mars in the 5th can indicate having a boy, and that conceiving might be difficult.

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Originally posted by athenaia:
That's interesting Lala, I have my NN in the 5th and I've known since I was very young that I never wanted to have kids.

I was thinking Aqua on the 5th would make one indifferent to childrearing

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Yeah indifferent, or even prefer to adopt if ever they want to.
I read all this in Kapiel Raaj's book (he's the Youtuber). He's got some interesting things to say about having children, and those things stuck out for me.

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
South node in Cancer conjunct Jupiter

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posted March 03, 2019 05:05 PM            

Another possibility, I think, is a history of sexual trauma. Any romantic relationships I have with men are now strained unless I can miraculously overcome the trauma I experienced as a child. The only silver lining here is I'm not straight, but if my dating history is any indication, I'm more likely to find a boyfriend than a girlfriend and I'm not a lesbian either, just bi-sexual.

In my natal chart, Pluto in Scorpio conjuncts my Scorpio Ascendant from 12th house. My trauma happened when Pluto in Sagittarius was transiting my 1st house, but even in Sagittarius, the transit manifested as mostly Scorpio-related themes. Based on my experiences, sexual trauma seems to be fairly common when someone has prominent Scorpio themes in their chart. I'm not sure how often sexual trauma itself prevents women from wanting children, but my trauma was likely a significant contributing factor for my decision not to get pregnant or become a mother.

posted March 04, 2019 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
What could point out in a woman's chart the absence of her maternal instinct to bear children?
I have always been repulsed by the idea of getting pregnant and having my own kids (but no problems to adopt). I was waiting for a time in my life wherein I meet someone and it goes like "woah, I want to have kids with you". I did. But still I couldn't bring myself to do it and this was the reason the relationship ended. He wanted to have kids, I didn't. Although in my eyes (we had mars-moon conjunction), I wouldn't have asked for a better "father".
Now I'm thinking about it, I don't think I will ever have this desire.

Moon is well placed in 4th house Gemini & no minor challenging aspects...

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posted March 04, 2019 01:31 AM            

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when people say "aww look at that baby bundle of JOY!"
I secretly think "you mean bundle of CHAOS who's been living, and will continue to live, as a parasite? Sucking up money and happiness and freedom? XD no ty. I'll be the "cool aunt"

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posted March 04, 2019 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Just curious as to what it is that "repulses" you about it? Can you talk more about that?

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posted March 04, 2019 02:16 AM            

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Originally posted by bluesky:
Er, well let's see why I didn't want children...
My womb's in the wrong place.
I am too small physically to give birth.
Endless history of gynaecological problems.
Abusive parents/ family.
Abusive ex-husband.
Scared I would die from pregnancy.
Did not want the risk of a disabled child.
Did not want the risk of having a girl (yes, true, because they would have to go through all the gynaecological crap).
Risk of father leaving me (did not want to be a single mom).

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posted March 04, 2019 02:40 AM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
Everthing.

The fact that it is a life-long commitment and I find it scary. The fact that it ties you with a man. How much effort you should put in, mentally emotionally physically and financially. The extreme biological changes your body goes through. All these are enough reasons for me.

Also from a very early age as women we are prepared and convinced that being a mother is the greatest thing any female could achieve in life and that's BULLSH*T. Sun conjunct Lilith and Medusa in Aries, along with my Aquarius rising tells me to rebel and rise my middle finger up to it.

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I hear you. I would say that Moon in Gemini in 4th contributes. 3rd house themes in 4th "degrade" or "undermine" the 4th as the 3rd house is 12 houses away from the 4th( hidden enmity).

Sun/Lilith and Medusa in Aries too. I think that's big. Mars ruled planets in conjunction hate restrictions imposed on them.

I will have to look at your chart. But an aversion to pregnancy because it "ties you down" or " restricts" you smells of Saturn harsh aspects to personal planets. Or perhaps even Uranus.

posted March 04, 2019 05:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I hear you. I would say that Moon in Gemini in 4th contributes. 3rd house themes in 4th "degrade" or "undermine" the 4th as the 3rd house is 12 houses away from the 4th( hidden enmity).

Sun/Lilith and Medusa in Aries too. I think that's big. Mars ruled planets in conjunction hate restrictions imposed on them.

I will have to look at your chart. But an aversion to pregnancy because it "ties you down" or " restricts" you smells of Saturn harsh aspects to personal planets. Or perhaps even Uranus.

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Yes I do have a wide in sign venus-uranus trine, and a tight venus-saturn square. Also Uranus square Mercury.
Venus is my 4th house ruler and it's the focal point in a T-square formation with jupiter & saturn. The activation point is unoccupied in the 9th house scorpio. Could you see this as a contributor too?

posted March 04, 2019 05:57 AM            

I hate restrictions done by others to me, mostly by parents and authorities or systems, like school system.

(But I'm very religious and some can see that as restrictive, to me that is not restrictive, its freedom.)

I myself can restrict myself just fine, like cutting of unhealthy food, training, gymming study for finals etc as long as I choose it myself.

I hate inconvinience and I hate being pushed.

Like I have just mentally prepared myself for a night at home (I'm a home cat), and my brother calls me to come home to him etc, which may seem like I'm a bit selfish, but I have matured and can fight it, though my initial emotion in cases like that is, "irritation"

Edit: But wait! Thats just for close family!

For friends, I Always go the extra mile! Infact its so important for me to go the extra mile for friends I care for! Its one of my strongest attributes! (taurus sun, saturn trine Venus, virgo asc)

posted March 04, 2019 06:27 AM            

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Yes I do have a wide in sign venus-uranus trine, and a tight venus-saturn square. Also Uranus square Mercury.
Venus is my 4th house ruler and it's the focal point in a T-square formation with jupiter & saturn. The activation point is unoccupied in the 9th house scorpio. Could you see this as a contributor too?

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Venus in 4th suggests an inner core that is an idealist and likes tranquility. This could manifest through growing up in an ideal home environment where there are shared responsibilities to duties, loving atmosphere, agreeable parents or a calm homely atmosphere.

So Saturn square does suggest that there is an imposition that may come either from society(when the home is tranquil) or from the immediate external environment of the native i.e parents.

In society, the inherent ideas could be thwarted with the realization by the native that society functions differently from what they have been accustomed to.

In society for instance, duties are not equally shared, no equal commitment, no cooperation, lots of unfairness, lots of injustice and lots of expectations imposed on one individual and not the other etc.

If its more personal, the native may notice that one parent does "more" than the other, one parent is more stern than the other, there is detachment or coldness that is palpable in the home or the home life is too rigid etc.

So Jupiter is the accompanying extreme nature through its square to Venus in 4th, in that it seeks to "free" one from any impositions. Either those built by parents or society

The easy trine of Uranus says "I am happy breaking this pattern of oppression" and Jupiter square is "I want absolute freedom to align to my ideals at whatever cost".

So this "cost" could perhaps be having kids ir expected to be a "stay at home" parent etc.

Look to NNode however to see where your energies are focused. Where you are likely to move your attention to etc.

If N.node is connected to 4th house, it suggests learning to make peace with the impositions set and working around them. Learning to create paradise despite where you are living etc.

posted March 04, 2019 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
You will come across people who'd label you as "selfish" for not wanting kids without knowing your reasons.

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posted March 04, 2019 02:46 PM            

Good parents are a minority.

I don't know exactly what indicates it in my chart, I have Pluto in 5th H (both in Scorpio) square Venus, Mars and Jup in Leo.

I would say Pluto may make you go extremely apalled or extremely obsessed with having kids.

However I have South Node in Cancer in 1st H which means my North Node is in 7th Capricorn.

Uranus and Neptune conjunct my DSC
Uranus and Neptune opposite my Sun

These makes relationships so hard for me that I actually never had a real one.

posted March 05, 2019 03:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Venus in 4th suggests an inner core that is an idealist and likes tranquility. This could manifest through growing up in an ideal home environment where there are shared responsibilities to duties, loving atmosphere, agreeable parents or a calm homely atmosphere.

So Saturn square does suggest that there is an imposition that may come either from society(when the home is tranquil) or from the immediate external environment of the native i.e parents.

In society, the inherent ideas could be thwarted with the realization by the native that society functions differently from what they have been accustomed to.

In society for instance, duties are not equally shared, no equal commitment, no cooperation, lots of unfairness, lots of injustice and lots of expectations imposed on one individual and not the other etc.

If its more personal, the native may notice that one parent does "more" than the other, one parent is more stern than the other, there is detachment or coldness that is palpable in the home or the home life is too rigid etc.

So Jupiter is the accompanying extreme nature through its square to Venus in 4th, in that it seeks to "free" one from any impositions. Either those built by parents or society

The easy trine of Uranus says "I am happy breaking this pattern of oppression" and Jupiter square is "I want absolute freedom to align to my ideals at whatever cost".

So this "cost" could perhaps be having kids ir expected to be a "stay at home" parent etc.

Look to NNode however to see where your energies are focused. Where you are likely to move your attention to etc.

If N.node is connected to 4th house, it suggests learning to make peace with the impositions set and working around them. Learning to create paradise despite where you are living etc.

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This is mostly true! It is true that I grew up in a religious family, but never did it happen that my parents forced me into marriage and having kids or even suggesting the idea. My parents really never questioned why I haven't been married until now or why I am not planning to have kids. The pressure I feel it coming from society. Not that I will give in to it, but it exists. I feel it all the time. It's like an annoying noise in the background. And I feel I should stand up more to myself and other women to silence these annoying noises.

My NN is in capricorn 12H, unaspected.

posted March 05, 2019 04:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:

I believe impatient people or the ones who need solitude and freedom a lot are those who shouldn't have children even if they think they want to. People with higly Uranian and Martian energy are definately the least suited to be parents. Then it's Neptune's turn

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