posted April 05, 2019 06:41 AM            

it's fairly muted and i'm inclined to agree with people who say 0 degrees doesn't quite express a sign's traits rather than expressing them strongly like other people claim

posted April 05, 2019 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
Indeed; I don't find them very expressive in their sign. All 4 of my angles are 0 degrees and while there are some traits I kind of vibe with, generally speaking it's all consuming frustration that I rarely can relate to.

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can you post your chart? i've never seen one like it and i'm interested

yeah it's just this really weak expression for me where it seems like everything is just dulled where it is expressed or not expressed at all

the aspects to my sun are expressed though is the flipside, and well too like the sun itself dissolved but the aspects are strengthened

posted April 05, 2019 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
can you post your chart? I've never seen one like it and i'm interested
yeah it's just this really weak expression for me where it seems like everything is just dulled where it is expressed or not expressed at all
the aspects to my sun are expressed though is the flip side, and well too like the sun itself dissolved but the aspects are strengthened
are the aspects made to your angles similar for you?

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My moon conjuncts my IC, Uranus to the MC and Ceres to the DC. I think there are others that I haven't looked into too much, but I tend to just feel the planets more than necessarily their influence on the angles they touch? I guess as well my NN is trine to my DC so there is a 'new experience' type of feeling overall.

** I read charts through Porphory, but if I look at it in Placidus, the angles are still 0'00 but the rest of the houses aren't doing the weird equalization- they have other starting points and I believe I have an interception with Virgo/Pisces.

posted April 05, 2019 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
My moon conjuncts my IC, Uranus to the MC and Ceres to the DC. I think there are others that I haven't looked into too much, but I tend to just feel the planets more than necessarily their influence on the angles they touch? I guess as well my NN is trine to my DC so there is a 'new experience' type of feeling overall.

** I read charts through Porphory, but if I look at it in Placidus, the angles are still 0'00 but the rest of the houses aren't doing the weird equalization- they have other starting points and I believe I have an interception with Virgo/Pisces.

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i tend to use whole signs, but recently i started looking into porphory because my fiancee started learning through using it first so i checked it out

it seems more accurate than placidus though my chiron going into the 8th is depressing in spite of being very relatable (it's there in about half the house systems i've looked at)

posted April 05, 2019 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i tend to use whole signs, but recently i started looking into porphory because my fiancee started learning through using it first so i checked it out

it seems more accurate than placidus though my chiron going into the 8th is depressing in spite of being very relatable (it's there in about half the house systems i've looked at)

how do other people view you? im curious how the ascendant would show up to them

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Yeah exploring the house systems can be an interesting look at different angles of the self. I find it helpful sometimes!

I'm not entirely sure, really. I've gotten a lot of the Uranian response before, and some of the people who know me by work see me looking a bit like an Aries, but I also get a lot of the 'chameleon' comment. That one is huge for me. I sponge in emotional energy from everywhere as well, and need a lot of decompression.

posted April 05, 2019 02:08 PM            

in my case people tend to guess air (in which case they only assume libra which is my ascendant/venus) or fire (i've heard all 3) and i've never gotten an earth sign guess

posted April 05, 2019 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
interesting i would've assumed the scorpio would be exaggerated for you

in my case people tend to guess air (in which case they only assume libra which is my ascendant/venus) or fire (i've heard all 3) and i've never gotten an earth sign guess

granted i don't usually meet people irl who are into astrology

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I've only ever had one or two people pin me as a Scorpio- or at least once I tell them their reaction is like 'oh yeah, that is absolutely evident'. Otherwise it's always ~a mystery~ for some reason. But I suppose I also hide a lot of my expression or am a bit 'blank' until someone shows interest in what I have to say, and tend to just support the other person's expression. Most of my life has been spent watching over younger children of all types, so I guess my mindset is more geared towards that as well. It's always a pleasant surprise when someone shows mental interest towards me! But I know I also am actively a bit shy until such a time happens, so who knows.

posted April 05, 2019 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
I've only ever had one or two people pin me as a Scorpio- or at least once I tell them their reaction is like 'oh yeah, that is absolutely evident'. Otherwise it's always ~a mystery~ for some reason. But I suppose I also hide a lot of my expression or am a bit 'blank' until someone shows interest in what I have to say, and tend to just support the other person's expression. Most of my life has been spent watching over younger children of all types, so I guess my mindset is more geared towards that as well. It's always a pleasant surprise when someone shows mental interest towards me! But I know I also am actively a bit shy until such a time happens, so who knows.

What's in your 11th house? You seem very Air/Water online. Earth and then Fire after those energies, though, from my perspective.

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in porphyry my sun and mercury (leo) are both 11th house

i don't have any water other than jupiter in my tropical chart (but my sun is trine neptune and i have mars-neptune conjunct) my sidereal and draco are both water heavy

edit: my bad it's just my sun 11th in porphyry, i got it mixed up with other house systems i've been looking at

the past couple of days i've been comparing all of them so it's become a jumbled mess in my head

got my chiron mixed up too it's right on the 8th/9th cusp in porphyry thinking of other systems that straight up put it in the 8th

posted April 05, 2019 06:43 PM            

Back in earlier days of learning astrology, before the hand-computers, you had to be able to do 'air' charts (be able to quickly assess a chart using your mind's eye).

I remember him saying that he was glad to have learned the Porphyry System, as it was easier to 'air chart' answers to questions on the test.

Implosions.. without knowing your birth-time take the conjunction to angles (e.g. MC/IC) and house meanings VERY generally and loosely. Focus more on the aspects between planets, and in their zodiac. Also, pay attention to the effects of transiting planets to your own.

We have the SAME h13 Lilith Scorpios! *high fives* (mine is in my 12th). Also the mean Lilith is within a degree of yours, on Antares. Too bad we're not in-person, would be interesting to see how the effect of that spells out for you.
Of course, knowing your actual time of birth, to know the house placements would ADD so much to the interpretation.
Are you female or male?

Porphyry system had almost the same effect as Koch to my chart.
Makes the houses in-between the major axes a little more even, visually.

Dumuzi .. You're always so helpful, careful, and insightful!
Knowing some of your story, the Chiron in your 8th makes sense to me.

I remember another person with Chiron in his 8th.
Hugh Hefner. (birthday April 9)
There was a chironic wounding by his original marriage partner, and thus, the surprising story behind how he came to be in the industry he eventually became known for unfolded.
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Hefner,_Hugh

posted April 05, 2019 07:21 PM            

Do you mean my mean lilith is near your antares or that it is near antares in general? Would that make it touch and go between us? Haha I'm not sure what you are referring to, but I am curious!

posted April 05, 2019 09:28 PM            

.. So glad we 'touched' lives!!! haha

Antares
is one of the Fixed Stars of Sagittarius 9+degrees. It's called the Heart of the Scorpion. In Western astrology, it's in zodiac tropical Sagittarius; in Sidereal astrology (based on Constellations, stars) it's still a part of constellation Scorpio.

Has the nature of a conjunction of Mars-Jupiter/Mercury energy. It's one of the Four Royal Stars.

In my little notebook here.. let's see--
Devil's advocate, 'the baddy', extremes, is Transformative.
Has an influence of passion and intensity, Courage in Convictions.
Regeneration, Regeneration through Transformational Experiences can lead you to great heights and power.
Adversity here is jealousy and obsession.
.. Also, several marriages..
{which happened to me, earlier in life. *sad*}

The Archangel Oriel/Uriel is said to oversee this Western part of the sky.

omg, found this.
Quote..

The Archangel Uriel is one of the seven Archangels that stand at the throne of the God Creator and one of the four major Archangels that serve humanity.

Uriel rules the mental plane, our thoughts and ideas, creativity, insights, judgment, magic, alchemy, astrology , universal consciousness, divine order, the distribution of power, the cosmic universal flow, and the Earth's environment.

Uriel is humanity's link to the spiritual realms

and he can show us how to find our inner power through a process that will help each individual Shift in consciousness, and therefore accelerate the entire human kingdom's shift into higher realms of consciousness.

As the Archangel of Salvation,
Uriel can show us how to heal every aspect of lives,
turning disappointments into victories,
find blessings in adversity,
and release the painful burdens and memories of the past, through the application of unconditional forgiveness.

Uriel uses his *flaming sword* to purify mental and emotional understanding
and transmute lower vibrational energies into enlightened spiritual understanding.

Uriel brings the power of 'unconditional forgiveness to humanity' as the key to transcending the Shift entering the Kingdom of the Creator, the higher realms of energetic vibration and consciousness.

He is releasing his message at this time because humanity has indicated,
through its willingness to embrace the Shift in Consciousness,
that it is ready to listen, act and transcend the human experience.

While he stands at the gate of the Garden of Eden with his flaming sword, to deny entry to those who have forgotten how to Love the Creator God,
he also holds out the key to entry,
the application of Unconditional Forgiveness
to every area of our lives.
end/Quote
REF
- http://spiritlibrary.com/spiritual-entities/archangel-uriel

Whoah.. I hadn't planned to include all that-- except, found it had a reference to the Garden of Eden -- kind of relates to our interpolated Liliths. *grin*

Yours is in your God-House..
Galactic Center is there too..
H9 Sag, near your MC.

And the other reason, is a personal one for me, tonight.

On the night of April 5 to 6th, in 1987, I had had a remarkable night-dream, where I had been walking along in outer-space (without astronaut suit LOL), and somehow the Space was kind of curved like a saddle, where I walked.

I started tumbling down a hill, and wound up at the feet of TWO giant angels outside of a coral-style ranch-fence. The were holding *flaming swords* (glowing neon orange-pink, like starwars). A sword in each hand, held in parallel across their angel-bodies, glowing. I heard them have a discussion between themselves of whether or not 'I was "worthy"' … Then woke up.
{I was UNAWARE of this connection to Uriel-- and I would not become astrologically aware for 20 more years.}

Then one week later, again-- went to sleep, started a dream, (April 13/14 during a Full Moon eclipse Libra to my Neptune 25+)-- I had a "super-profound shift" inside that dream which turned into a lucid-experience.. was walking in outerspace in that one, too.

heh heh.. Maybe the Angels decided it was okay to let me in? (Good thing.. *smile*.)

Wow..
I really didn't expect to be remembering that, on this night.

Hey Implosions...
Are you SURE you're not an angel in disguise??? j/k

I'm astounded by your chart.
Happy Incarnation.

posted April 05, 2019 10:19 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
I remember hearing a story long ago from someone who had been an astrology student, sitting for his compentencies exam, for becoming a credentialed astrologer.

Back in earlier days of learning astrology, before the hand-computers, you had to be able to do 'air' charts (be able to quickly assess a chart using your mind's eye).

I remember him saying that he was glad to have learned the Porphyry System, as it was easier to 'air chart' answers to questions on the test.

Implosions.. without knowing your birth-time take the conjunction to angles (e.g. MC/IC) and house meanings VERY generally and loosely. Focus more on the aspects between planets, and in their zodiac. Also, pay attention to the effects of transiting planets to your own.

We have the SAME h13 Lilith Scorpios! *high fives* (mine is in my 12th). Also the mean Lilith is within a degree of yours, on Antares. Too bad we're not in-person, would be interesting to see how the effect of that spells out for you.
Of course, knowing your actual time of birth, to know the house placements would ADD so much to the interpretation.
Are you female or male?

Porphyry system had almost the same effect as Koch to my chart.
Makes the houses in-between the major axes a little more even, visually.

Dumuzi .. You're always so helpful, careful, and insightful!
Knowing some of your story, the Chiron in your 8th makes sense to me.

I remember another person with Chiron in his 8th.
Hugh Hefner. (birthday April 9)
There was a chironic wounding by his original marriage partner, and thus, the surprising story behind how he came to be in the industry he eventually became known for unfolded.
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Hefner,_Hugh

Great conversation here.

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thanks, how have you been? i havent seen you in a minute

and yeah the new moon hit mine at an interesting time with some meditation work i've been doing heavy the past couple of weeks and a lot of other **** , mostly shadow work this past couple weeks

following every weird esoteric lead that comes my way to see where it all goes

went out with my fiancee earlier, managed to get a date in, been a while with her work schedule being so busy (she's really made herself a name where we live with her cooking and she's had charity events and this new project coming up along with stuff she wants to do + my health is so all over the place it's been hard to find time for it) which was a nice change

today's been interesting, feeling good though and it's not just the alcohol talking

posted April 05, 2019 11:19 PM            

I've had a few medium type people mention I have wings but I tend to just laugh it off (it would be cute haha) but I guess that's a compliment!

I do remember yeah that my BML in Sag is at 10 degrees so it would be almost right on Antares. And my Mars would oppose it so well, hmm. All very neat.

posted April 06, 2019 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
In my experience 0 degree energy is very strong. I have Uranus in 0 degree Sag and I can definitely feel that planet. I have a friend with a 0 degree Cap sun and he is the epitome of a Cap (even with a Pisces moon). There are a few examples out of my life. At the end of the day it just does depend how the planet/the angles are incorporated into the whole chart I guess.

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does he have anything else in cap? curious because my sun is drowned out pretty heavily; possibly because it's mutable but my mars is in cap and doesnt function entirely the way it should either and both make aspects to neptune

posted April 06, 2019 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
does he have anything else in cap? curious because my sun is drowned out pretty heavily; possibly because it's mutable but my mars is in cap and doesnt function entirely the way it should either and both make aspects to neptune

either way my sun sign throws people off and i've never heard anyone guess it

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posted April 06, 2019 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
No it's just his sun.
I can actually sense Virgo with you. You have really good analytical qualities and you like to point out illogical stuff with other people/call them out on their bullcrap without being too offensive. I don't know how you come across in real life though. You said you are very chilled out and easy going so many people don't connect that to Virgo.
People never guess my sign right as well either. I reckon it's mostly due to them not being really knowledgable in astrology and going by textbook descriptions of sun signs.
For exacmple, a woman that went to school with me is the nicest person around, she is verrryyy relaxed and there is no aggressive bone in her body. I used to call her sleeping pill (haha). She was also very sensitive. She is an Aries sun with aries mercury and Mars and a scorpio moon . Noone really guesses that about her. She doesn't fit any description at all of her signs.

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yeah most **** doesn't bother me, i prefer to go with the flow, i'm not into having to do much hate making decisions etc and so on so i tend to just care about what's easier because i don't care about much really anyway

there's a lot about the sign i don't relate to like i could really use that virgo organizational **** , and the hardworking good with routines etc **** too

having the virgo qualities i lack would be pretty decent and i imagine i'd be a much more functional person if i did

i'm **** with follow through and planning (making plans is terrible for me, i prefer last minute surprises i can either take or leave or to have freedom and flexibility) i can't stand when things are rigid or set in stone with no room for movement and change

posted April 06, 2019 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
yeah most **** doesn't bother me, i prefer to go with the flow, i'm not into having to do much hate making decisions etc and so on so i tend to just care about what's easier because i don't care about much really anyway

there's a lot about the sign i don't relate to like i could really use that virgo organizational **** , and the hardworking good with routines etc **** too

having the virgo qualities i lack would be pretty decent and i imagine i'd be a much more functional person if i did

i'm **** with follow through and planning (making plans is terrible for me, i prefer last minute surprises i can either take or leave or to have freedom and flexibility) i can't stand when things are rigid or set in stone with no room for movement and change

i've met a lot of fairly introverted aries, what tends to stand out to me with aries is that they're typically entertaining to talk to in the same manner their sense of humor and the way they tell stories and how they can also be unintentionally funny all stand out to me

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