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meissieri
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posted November 25, 2019 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys, I have finished a video (well, two, couldn't upload the merged file) for my youtube channel about the 12th house, and especially on things you have trouble seeing about yourself, or at least used to.

I'm using the sign on the cusp, sign the ruler is in, planets in the 12th and planets conjunct the ruler of the 12th, though you may find other hard aspects that you feel as well.

What do you think you have trouble seeing about yourself? And does that fit with your 12th house pattern? Let me know if there's anything I may have missed for the signs/planets.

Hope you all enjoy!

to http://t.co/8iQgzfkwl8?amp=1
to http://t.co/lgDj4DjI52?amp=1

Best to watch without earphones/buds.

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MMarie
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posted November 25, 2019 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi! I watched this whole video. It was awesome and had a lot of information, thank you! I am a Leo rising and very much relate to your description of the cancer on 12th house cusp. Especially the moodiness and also I’ve never really wanted to be a mother but people have said I would be a good one. This topic particularly intrigues me because I have 12th house ruler (moon) conjunct sun in the first house. I was wondering if that has any other influence or stronger influence being my chart ruler is the sun? I have a Leo stellium - Leo ASC, Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter. Venus and Jupiter are just in the 12th house.

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meissieri
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posted November 28, 2019 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi!! Thank you so much for your comment (I took a while to reply I know..)

I'm kind of excited to read that it works for you in your chart and your own life. With a moon/Cancer and 12th house connection, I guess kids may just like you a lot and you wouldn't even know why Especially with that Leo stellium there as well, Leos have a certain youthfulness! Even the 80-year-olds. Others may see this in you, too, and so you get them saying they think you'd be a good mum.

Interesting thing to ask, I would say yes, partially as it's conjunct your Sun, which here doubles as your ASC ruler. Any planet conjunct the Sun, I feel, gives your Sun a touch of the sign said planet rules.

With the 12th house ruler conj your Sun, maybe it's hard for you to really keep secrets? A lot of things, even the "embarrassing" (I use quotation marks for a reason, that stuff is super personal) stuff are out in the open, being an open book for the most part.

I've heard from others with a 12th house ruler in the 1st that they don't even bother trying to keep something a secret because of it

With Venus and Jupiter technically still in the 12th, do you relate to both 1st and 12th house descriptions for them? You're probably very generous and positive towards people, too, which they may like more than you wouldn've thought.

I tried to add some positive examples for 12th house signs/planets, too, because it's not *all* doom and gloom. Sometimes you may actually not see/realize a really wonderful quality in yourself with the 12th house.

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posted December 04, 2019 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Small bump.

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posted December 04, 2019 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by meissieri:
Hi!! Thank you so much for your comment (I took a while to reply I know..)

I'm kind of excited to read that it works for you in your chart and your own life. With a moon/Cancer and 12th house connection, I guess kids may just like you a lot and you wouldn't even know why Especially with that Leo stellium there as well, Leos have a certain youthfulness! Even the 80-year-olds. Others may see this in you, too, and so you get them saying they think you'd be a good mum.

Interesting thing to ask, I would say yes, partially as it's conjunct your Sun, which here doubles as your ASC ruler. Any planet conjunct the Sun, I feel, gives your Sun a touch of the sign said planet rules.

With the 12th house ruler conj your Sun, maybe it's hard for you to really keep secrets? A lot of things, even the "embarrassing" (I use quotation marks for a reason, that stuff is super personal) stuff are out in the open, being an open book for the most part.

I've heard from others with a 12th house ruler in the 1st that they don't even bother trying to keep something a secret because of it

With Venus and Jupiter technically still in the 12th, do you relate to both 1st and 12th house descriptions for them? You're probably very generous and positive towards people, too, which they may like more than you wouldn've thought.

I tried to add some positive examples for 12th house signs/planets, too, because it's not *all* doom and gloom. Sometimes you may actually not see/realize a really wonderful quality in yourself with the 12th house.


Thank you for the response! I guess I am a bit of an open book. With Venus close to the ascendant I definitely relate to both descriptions of 12th and 1st house Venus’s. But Jupiter being in the middle of the 12th rings more true to a 12th house description. I also have Chiron and Pallas in the 12th so maybe a small stellium there. And yes it’s good to hear the benefits or positives of 12th house because it is often portrayed as doom and gloom like you say.

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meissieri
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posted December 07, 2019 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

Yeah, often it's all about how difficult the 12th house is. Now, that's absolutely 100
% true, it is definitely not something you should underestimate. I can say that yeah, a big part of it is hard stuff - unconscious, bad habits, blind spots, things you don't want to know about yourself. Being faced with yourself.

But it has positive qualities, just like heavy-hitting planets like Saturn and Pluto (it's the season :laugh do.

With Jupiter in the 12th, do you relate to descriptions of that? Or maybe a Sagittarius 12th house cusp? I've read since I got into astro that it has this guardian angel effect. Having more luck than others do - in avoiding what could've been a really bad situation. Or a bad accident.

I got this when I googled within the LL site:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241479.html

Chiron there may add to that? I have not by far read enough into Pallas to comment on her, though, sorry. I'm still confused what it's really about :laugh:

With Venus both a 12th and 1st house feeling, I think you're probably more beautiful/seen as more beautiful than you think you are.

Thanks for your reply. :smile:

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posted December 10, 2019 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, I was wondering. I seem to really work well with going down a list of stuff for each sign (also like in the Big Brother one or why you'd **** others off), and yeah, going through 12 signs means the video's going to be long.

Just wanted to point out that there's time stamps, so you can just skip right to your sign or whatever sign interests you. No need to watch the whole thing in full unless you're curious.

I realized that maybe I should point this out and not just something you'll see in the description box on the channel.

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posted December 10, 2019 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw that.. I find that really useful. Thanks for including it in.

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posted December 10, 2019 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I still need to listen to this.

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meissieri
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posted December 10, 2019 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Glad you saw it and it's useful.

Like... you'd think it's really obvious but I only got that lightbulb moment very recently that hey, maybe this is a very different way of doing readings so I should make it easier. :laugh:

@teasel, oh, thanks for telling me, that's totally fine.

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posted December 13, 2019 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a bump.

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posted December 13, 2019 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RohiniMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all!
New here to posting but not to astrology or lurking here for along time ! Interesting topic most definitely, I have Saturn in the 12th.... I'm sure you can give a few guesses about that placement.... I definitely don't have a problem spending time alone

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posted December 13, 2019 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoveGoddess222     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello!! I'm new here as well, though I have reading on this site fow awhile now... so much great information thank you!! Glad to see this one as I recently just learned a day before my Birthday, that the birth time I been going on for 6yrs was wrong 😮 by 4+hrs... I'm a 12th house sagittarius sun, mercury, venus, neptune,nnode.. Sag rising,, virgo moon... for those 6 years I thought I was sag sum scorpio rising, leo moon.. learning the real me now... it is over whelming... is it possible to have 12th house cusp ascendant...maybe saying it wrong... just trying to understand astrology period.. haha please excuse my bad punctuation and
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posted December 14, 2019 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've Taurus on my 12th with Sun/Mercury/SN/Juno in it. I resonate with the strong need for financial security as my family wasn't well-off. I'm a big saver but I also spend on things I appreciate e.g. holidays, luxury bags, skincare... However, I don't resonate with being a creature of habit and I'm far from being a homebody. Lol.

My 12th ruler in Gemini. I think some people think I was stupid when I was young because I was quiet so they thought I didn't know WTH they were talking about. It irritated me.

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posted December 18, 2019 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RohiniMoon:
Hi all!
New here to posting but not to astrology or lurking here for along time ! Interesting topic most definitely, I have Saturn in the 12th.... I'm sure you can give a few guesses about that placement.... I definitely don't have a problem spending time alone

Hi!! Thanks for replying and welcome to the board! It took me a while to get back to you and the others sorry.

Yeah I can see Saturn in the 12th making you okay with that. The 12th house does lend for spending time alone and Saturn could make it something you take seriously. Almost like a responsibility (Saturn) to yourself to give yourself alone time. What do you think?

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posted December 18, 2019 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LoveGoddess222:
Hello!! I'm new here as well, though I have reading on this site fow awhile now... so much great information thank you!! Glad to see this one as I recently just learned a day before my Birthday, that the birth time I been going on for 6yrs was wrong 😮 by 4+hrs... I'm a 12th house sagittarius sun, mercury, venus, neptune,nnode.. Sag rising,, virgo moon... for those 6 years I thought I was sag sum scorpio rising, leo moon.. learning the real me now... it is over whelming... is it possible to have 12th house cusp ascendant...maybe saying it wrong... just trying to understand astrology period.. haha please excuse my bad punctuation and
Well..

Hi! Welcome to the board as well. Thanks for your reply. I took some time to get back to you sorry.

Yeah, wow, birth time can change SO much about your actual chart, doesn't it? It even changed your moon sign. Glad you now have the real info so you can learn if you're feeling like it!

And with all of that Sagittarius, I'll take a wild guess that you'd like that. Sun, Merc, Venus, Neptune, NN... that's a lot of houses coming together in your 12th. Do you feel that some of these matters kind of go together?

Oh wait I think you mean if your 12th house sign is the same as your Asc? (And so 6th house and DSC also the same sign). Could make those house matters more connected. Maybe certain things that happen in private, you're fine with bringing out into the open?

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posted December 18, 2019 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I've Taurus on my 12th with Sun/Mercury/SN/Juno in it. I resonate with the strong need for financial security as my family wasn't well-off. I'm a big saver but I also spend on things I appreciate e.g. holidays, luxury bags, skincare... However, I don't resonate with being a creature of habit and I'm far from being a homebody. Lol.

My 12th ruler in Gemini. I think some people think I was stupid when I was young because I was quiet so they thought I didn't know WTH they were talking about. It irritated me.


Yeah that definitely sounds like Taurus. It's not like they're misers or anything (half of my family is Taurus/Taurus rising/etc and I grew up with that energy :laughing , they just like to be careful with what they spend on. It can take a while before you decide if something's worth spending on.

Luxury stuff is like an investment to you guys, right? Stuff that's durable and comfortable.

Hmm lots of Uranus going on in your chart? 4th house maybe?

As for the ruler in Gemini... same. The 12th house's quiet nature and not wanting to just talk just to hear yourself talk. Then gets mistaken for being stupid, not much going on up there, etc. Very frustrating indeed! (And in my case I keep being asked if I'm foreign and speak English)

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posted December 18, 2019 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh just a general message here... sorry it took me a while to get back to every post here on the board!

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posted December 18, 2019 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Luxury stuff is like an investment to you guys, right? Stuff that's durable and comfortable.

Ya, everything that I deemed worth it. And I really take care of my stuff. When I give away my stuff (and I do often), I give them to people who appreciate them. I get annoyed when people misuse/abuse the things I give them and they think I'm being stingy and but it's not. I just don't like good stuff to be treated like something from the $1 shop.

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Hmm lots of Uranus going on in your chart? 4th house maybe?

Uranus in 5th house opposite Sun trine MC. Is that a lot?

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As for the ruler in Gemini... same. The 12th house's quiet nature and not wanting to just talk just to hear yourself talk. Then gets mistaken for being stupid, not much going on up there, etc. Very frustrating indeed! (And in my case I keep being asked if I'm foreign and speak English)

Yes, it's irritating. Sometimes I keep quiet because I don't wanna offend. At other times, people think I'm weird for saying something. They think I don't understand their question.

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posted December 19, 2019 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Yeah I get being annoyed when someone isn't really careful with stuff they're given from somebody else. I wouldn't say that's stingy, though, not at all, especially if it's like a big present you took time to pick out for the other person.

As for Sun opp Uranus (was that it or trine MC?) that would change a few things, I can see that! With the Sun as your ego, identity and who you are, Uranus making you more comfortable with change, progression and not wanting to stay in one place for too long. Actually, with the Sun, I can see it be vital for you, you just feel and live ... better I guess, when you can act out the other planet. Does that sound more like you?

An aspect to the MC is also one to the IC, though I would look more for hard aspects there. Is it a really tight orb?

As for the rest, yeah, I guess Mercury 12th house/ruler in Gemini would make it easy for people to think you didn't get the question. Bleh. The Neptune flavor of it causes confusion, either to yourself but it can be towards someone else.

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posted December 23, 2019 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 24, 2019 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by meissieri:
As for Sun opp Uranus (was that it or trine MC?) that would change a few things, I can see that! With the Sun as your ego, identity and who you are, Uranus making you more comfortable with change, progression and not wanting to stay in one place for too long. Actually, with the Sun, I can see it be vital for you, you just feel and live ... better I guess, when you can act out the other planet. Does that sound more like you?

An aspect to the MC is also one to the IC, though I would look more for hard aspects there. Is it a really tight orb?


The trine between Uranus-MC is exact. I like to follow my own path in life, regardless whether people think it's right/wrong. I like to go out...travel or just experience new things because I need the change of scenery. I'm also never loyal to any brand. I can be very into one thing this moment, then I'll drop it and be totally into another thing next.

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