posted February 26, 2020 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I can tell you about the opposite 😅 it being conjunct the SN.

Yeah not fun. You always resort to not doing stuff lol.

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posted February 26, 2020 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I can tell you about the opposite 😅 it being conjunct the SN.

Yeah not fun. You always resort to not doing stuff lol.

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I have Mars conjunct SN orb 1. My almost 29 years of life has been the opposite of "not doing stuff". It is also in cancer, a placement where Mars is considered to be weak. But I am a highly ambitious person, and always go after my goals, be it a sex or a job position! I am also a semi-professional athlete (swimmer).

~ re OP

Mars on NN makes for a person always on the move. Easily bored. Perhaps a bit anxious; also with a high chance of infidelity in relationships.

I would liken their potentials to a war criminal versus a war hero (hero the SN, and criminal the NN, especially if the person also has strong Libra in their chart).

posted February 26, 2020 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Brad Pitt has Mars on SN. It looks like he doesn't need to work hard for his good physique. (He might exhaust it as moving to NN?) I might say he didn't need to work too hard for all these honor and blessings he got, but I wouldn't claim it.

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posted February 26, 2020 05:54 PM            

It is in aqua in the first house.
It trines the sun and uranus -making a grand trine. 1/5/9 house

Powerful is one word I would use to describe him. no hang ups, never whinges, just gets on with it in life even after a tough upbringing and multiple setbacks in life.

He is not afraid to go to battle - even if he is up against king kong, it must be morally justifiable thou ...he might lose but he is not not giving it a red hot go.

Mars in the first can be like this and with the node conjunct it does push him forward...no time to waste.

But he is a big time waster, loses focus easily whilst trying to do multiple things at once, something always gets neglected tbh...that's his Gemini sun & mercury I think.

posted February 26, 2020 07:18 PM            

It's hard to isolate it but the desire to be independent, financially and in other ways, is very strong indeed. I'm feisty and have a quick temper, and I hate it with a passion when I generate ideas and people dismiss or discredit them.

It's absolutely a huge power point in my chart. And a huge attraction point.

Some examples:
one good (f) friend has her Venus on my mars/NN
My father had Pluto conjunct my mars/NN and sun (wide - 6degrees)
My best male friend has his moon, and asteroids union and destinn on my mars/NN
My dog (ha) has his mars and Juno right on my mars/NN

posted February 26, 2020 07:49 PM            

It is easy to fall back to childlike ways (S.Node ruled by Mars) in the sense of always having "knee jerk" reactions than it is to catch ourselves off and take responsibility for how we act(N.Node is ruled by Saturn).

Mars ruling the S.Node is not the same creative force that rules the Asc, its a conditioned response of someone who for instance chooses to shove and push their way through without ever learning to outgrow that. Because that's all they want to know.

So when Mars in Libra is conj Libra South Node for instance, this individual tends to avoid making decisions on their own(Aries N.Node).

They will fall back into patterns of looking for approval from others(Lib S.Node)- so as not to be "blamed" for making an "error" or "bad" judgement call.

This may seem easy for them to do but it doesn't foster their growth. They are always going to be people pleasers that suppress their own decision-making abilities.

In time they will be resentful and frustrated that they have to "report" to others when it comes to decision-making(this is the opposition aspect tension). And that's when they will progressively reach for the Aries N.Node.

This is the timid man who takes up boxing classes so that he doesn't feel bullied by more assertive personalities.

The opposition of natal Mars in Lib to the N.node in Aries suggests that the native will have to learn to be OK with p***g people off by doing their own thing.

Someone with Mars in Lib conj N.node in Lib instinctively reaches for the N.node axis and avoid the South Node.

They will be the type who was the child who "seemed" like they were listening to you(Lib) but went ahead and did their own thing(Mars. N.node)

They were probably the type who involved others in their decision-making(Lib). But it was clear to all that the final judgment call(Mars) was THEIRS to make. And theirs alone.

posted February 26, 2020 08:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
N.node is ruled by Saturn. S.Node is ruled by Mars.

It is easy to fall back to childlike ways (S.Node ruled by Mars) in the sense of always having "knee jerk" reactions than it is to catch ourselves off and take responsibility for how we act(N.Node is ruled by Saturn).

Mars ruling the S.Node is not the same creative force that rules the Asc, its a conditioned response of someone who for instance chooses to shove and push their way through without ever learning to outgrow that. Because that's all they want to know.

So when Mars in Libra is conj Libra South Node for instance, this individual tends to avoid making decisions on their own(Aries N.Node).

They will fall back into patterns of looking for approval from others(Lib S.Node)- so as not to be "blamed" for making an "error" or "bad" judgement call.

This may seem easy for them to do but it doesn't foster their growth. They are always going to be people pleasers that suppress their own decision-making abilities.

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posted February 26, 2020 09:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
It does fit Brad Pitt. His SN Mars in Capricorn opposites Pisces north node. And his ex J. Anniston said he lacks of sensitivity. And everybody could see how his actions were so insensitive during the time he broke up with her and got with Angelina. In addition, his good-packed NN made public opinion didn’t turn against him, but against Angelina. Both women got much crap because of his actions.

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I think you meant Cancer North Node there right?

Angelina was SURELY to be blamed for the breakup.It is always the woman who takes the flack.And it could only be Aries/Cancer
or Taurus Moon women who don't care about public opinion when they are in love.

Camilla Parker Bowles(Cancer Sun/Moon) endured the same treatment when she was blamed as the reason for the Diana/Charles break-up.And she endured until the public accepted her again.

Cancer(like the disease) is a sign that is very hard to get rid of. It does not put up a fight or resist. It just tenaciously holds on for dear life until the tides change to its favour.

Angelina also has(as I initially suspected)
Lilith in Pisces square her Sun in Gem exact.

Lilith on the Asc/Sun/Mars in women is a very raw, "bad girl", primal energy. It makes one seem like a "temptress" and a "seducer" etc.

As if (like a snake) the native can ensnare poor helpless doe-eyed men(supposedly like Brad)into their clutches. HISS!!

But Brad is far from being the doe-eyed "helpless" blonde people make him out to be. He has NEVER been. So why do we want to believe that so badly?

Well, his Sun is parallel Venus. And with Venus, we never want to believe the worst about someone.

But Brad has Uranus/Pluto conj in Virgo square his Asc.Oh yes,he & Angie are kindred firestarters. He likes listening to intuitive impulses too-this even when they upset/ destroy the status qou.

There is also the austere Cap Moon.Watch his earlier films like "Kalifornia" and "12 Monkeys" etc. Brad is actually quite dark.

He either has done dark moody films(like Seven, Interview with a Vampire) or the vintage-style old types(Jesse James,Legends of the Fall, Benjamin Button etc.) No light comedies. Atleast none that were a commercial success.

Women are drawn to Cap Moon/Venus men. I say this often. This even when they are not warm emotionally. And its the looks of these men that draw them in. The "promise" of some hidden smouldering intensity perhaps?

They however soon discover that no such thing exists.

Mars in Cap means that he instinctively acts in manner that favours practicality I.e he doesn't waste energy resources.

The conj with SN suggests that he shoots himself in the foot a lot by doing/repeating patterns that don't support his evolution as a personality.

It could be that when young he was not conscious of this and always acted in a manner that excluded emotional considerations of consequences (Cap SN)

I only learned recently that he has some kind of drinking issue which he has been suppressing for years.

I suspect that this is the "feeling" part of him that is wanting to be expressed. And he needs to learn to better integrate thoughts about the feelings of others and how they are impacted etc. in his decision-making.

In other words, Brad needs to understand that not all his impulses (even when meticulously calculated) are to his long-term benefit. Not unless they have emotional value.

posted February 27, 2020 12:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[b] I think you meant Cancer North Node there right?

Angelina was SURELY to be blamed for the breakup.It is always the woman who takes the flack.And it could only be Aries/Cancer
or Taurus Moon women who don't care about public opinion when they are in love.

Camilla Parker Bowles(Cancer Sun/Moon) endured the same treatment when she was blamed as the reason for the Diana/Charles break-up.And she endured until the public accepted her again.

Cancer(like the disease) is a sign that is very hard to get rid of. It does not put up a fight or resist. It just tenaciously holds on for dear life until the tides change to its favour.

Angelina also has(as I initially suspected)
Lilith in Pisces square her Sun in Gem exact.

Lilith on the Asc/Sun/Mars in women is a very raw, "bad girl", primal energy. It makes one seem like a "temptress" and a "seducer" etc.

As if (like a snake) the native can ensnare poor helpless doe-eyed men(supposedly like Brad)into their clutches. HISS!!

But Brad is far from being the doe-eyed "helpless" blonde people make him out to be. He has NEVER been. So why do we want to believe that so badly?

Well, his Sun is parallel Venus. And with Venus, we never want to believe the worst about someone.

But Brad has Uranus/Pluto conj in Virgo square his Asc.Oh yes,he & Angie are kindred firestarters. He likes listening to intuitive impulses too-this even when they upset/ destroy the status qou.

There is also the austere Cap Moon.Watch his earlier films like "Kalifornia" and "12 Monkeys" etc. Brad is actually quite dark.

He either has done dark moody films(like Seven, Interview with a Vampire) or the vintage-style old types(Jesse James,Legends of the Fall, Benjamin Button etc.) No light comedies. Atleast none that were a commercial success.

Women are drawn to Cap Moon/Venus men. I say this often. This even when they are not warm emotionally. And its the looks of these men that draw them in. The "promise" of some hidden smouldering intensity perhaps?

They however soon discover that no such thing exists.

Mars in Cap means that he instinctively acts in manner that favours practicality I.e he doesn't waste energy resources.

The conj with SN suggests that he shoots himself in the foot a lot by doing/repeating patterns that don't support his evolution as a personality.

It could be that when young he was not conscious of this and always acted in a manner that excluded emotional considerations of consequences (Cap SN)

I only learned recently that he has some kind of drinking issue which he has been suppressing for years.

I suspect that this is the "feeling" part of him that is wanting to be expressed. And he needs to learn to better integrate thoughts about the feelings of others and how they are impacted etc. in his decision-making.

In other words, Brad needs to understand that not all his impulses (even when meticulously calculated) are to his long-term benefit. Not unless they have emotional value.

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posted February 27, 2020 02:15 AM            

My mars has always been a fuzzy area for me (mars rules my 12H too so I might be bias). I have always been too aggressive or too passive all at the wrong times. My anger has been hard to understand and control since I could remember and my father didn't make it any easier with his raising "methods". I was doing pushups and heavy martial arts at 10 years old. Ha. The guys my age either find me overly aggressive and intimidating or just plain unattractive. The other half who actually find me fascinating, eventually run for the hills when they realize the passion and intensity required to "keep" me. I also have a very emotionally unstable moon so combine this with an explosive mars and you can imagine I'm not the easiest person to date or be in a relationship with but I still think I'm very much worth it.

My confidence wasn't always 100% and it hasn't been these past few years (I mainly blame transit Pluto on my moon), but overall, I have learned and mastered confidence and pride within myself. I used to get teased and bullied all the time in my youth. I got sat on, kicked in the face, etc. One day I told myself I wouldn't take it anymore. And I haven't since then. I think I took too far and now that I'm an adult, I don't know how to turn it off. Haha.

My one and only desire with this placement is mastering my desires. Regaining self-control and discipline. I used to be so disciplined. Now, I just wander, aimlessly, with a few routines forcing me to stay semi-stable lol. I probably should also mention as a side note, Chiron squares my mars natally as well and I have a heavy 6H Scorpio stellium.

posted February 27, 2020 08:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:Of course,Cancer NN, sorry.

Angelina is bad girl without question. She didn’t care about public opinion and did very controversial things long before Brad. She only cleaned up her image before that affair happened.

“It could be that when young he was not conscious of this and always acted in a manner that excluded emotional considerations of consequences (Cap SN)”

He did it around Aniston divorce time when he gave Insensitive interview about his ex marriage. He made very public demonstrations of affection to Angelina shortly after the br
break-up with Jennifer.

Maybe Jolie pushed him toward it? I guess his Sun- Venus helped him to put all public backlash only on Angelina (she is far from innocent, but he was like saint. People blamed even Aniston more than him.) because his actions hurt Jennifer more and more even after breakup.

I’m surprised she forgave him.Also, situation with child abuse. (This’s only from Jolie’s words)

I saw his dark movies. He still didn’t appear like real villain there, more like sexy bad boy😊

Edit: His SN Mars opposites 7th house. His actions work against his close people?

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When Mars is in the 1st, you will act to inadvertently oppose other people's approval.

You are a unilateral decision-maker. This is even more apparent when Mars is conj or closely parallel the Asc. You will NOT be contradicted by others.

So yes, Brad's actions do tend to isolate or alienate those close to him. But then again maybe that's the point? Those who are in close relationship with him are forced to accept him "as is".

He also has Pluto/Uran conj square Asc, he will not have anyone standing in the way of his instinctive self expression. It WILL out. He cant be boxed.

I thought more deeply about Mars conj South Node. How one cannot help but express Mars. And so the conj to the South Node is inevitable.

So perhaps this "self undoing" as proposed by the SN, is the purpose of the chart holder? In that it's like someone who is an addict because the genetic disposition is highly predisposing them to that?

Or perhaps the way to the North Node is through the South Node? In that one must reach a point where they have completely alienated themselves to truly be able to appreciate partnerships or give/take in Brads case?

I don't know much about karma or karmic connections.But I would reckon personal planets in close conjunction to the SN, come as close as I can muster to what I understand about that.

I have Sun/Jup/Ura/Nep and Merc all parallel the SN. I am not yet certain what that entails for me.

But I hope by reading others responses, I will get clarity on why the South Node is deemed to be "bad" and linked to " self undoing" so much.