posted May 10, 2020 02:31 PM            

An intercepted sign is not on the cusp of any house ... An intercepted house has the same sign on both it's own cusp and the following house. And (I think) you are saying that Capricorn is on the cusp of both the 3rd and 4th houses.

The confusion arises because some astrologers use the term "intercepted houses" rather than "houses that have the same sign duplicated on their cusp".

posted May 10, 2020 02:33 PM            

In spite of this term being used by many astrologers to be found around the internet, there is no such thing as 'intercepted signs.' There are intercepted houses, and that is the correct way to apply the term.

A planet also cannot be intercepted.

I have responded to this kind of inquiry here before on LL, but I will recompose the best points here.

From the Arkana Dictionary of Astrology:

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intercepted sign (redirected from 'intercepted house') A term, which though frequently used, is something of a misnomer. It is generally supposed to refer to a sign which, due to the variations in time of Right Ascension, is not posited on one of the cusps in the symbolic representation of the mundane system [houses]. In fact it is really an intercepted house - some insist that planets within such a house are given emphasis, while others insist there is a general weakening. Quantitatively speaking, however, the house covers a much wider area of influence than would a normal mundane arc, and one would therefore expect the influence to be more considerable than normal. Certainly there is a statistical propensity for such houses to contain more planets than other houses.

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This term is borrowed from geometry, but has been corrupted in astrology by astrologers not understanding the mathematics of its origins.

image from: http://study.com/academy/lesson/intercepted-arc-definition-formula.html

image from: http://www.mathwarehouse.com/geometry/circle/arc-of-circle.php

So to illustrate, in the chart below the house interceptions are seen in the widened 6th and 12th houses.

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posted May 10, 2020 02:50 PM            

I am still trying to make sense of them, in example I've been reading that 7th house intercepted is a placement that means that the native will marry at least twice, but at the moment I haven't, even once.

In example, it's the 7H interception that brings a certain quality of hard-to-pin-down to the individual, or it's rather Gemini on the descendant and its double (potentially unfaithful?) mercurial quality?

I know that in this post I've overlooked the issues of my other intercepted houses (1st-6th-12th), it's partly because I'm focusing on the relationships field and partly because I don't really grasp how interceptions could apply to those houses.

posted May 10, 2020 03:12 PM            

And, I'd advise sticking with the meanings used by the astrology community :-

Intercepted signs do not appear on any house cusp, and intercepted houses have the same sign on both their own cusp and that of the following house.

posted May 10, 2020 03:22 PM            

I was referring to intercepted houses in my natal chart, that have the same sign on both their own cusp and that of the following house, 12-1 being encompassed by Sag and 6-7 by Gemini.

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My natal chart with asteroids http://i.imgur.com/1IG2Im4.png
and without asteroids http://i.imgur.com/Tl0L7oL.png

posted May 10, 2020 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
Ah, yes, I see.

I have Sagittarius on the cusp of the third house; Capricorn is engulfed within the 3rd house.
Same thing with cancer, it is completely within the 9th house.
Neptune is in Capricorn in the 3rd house.
My 10th house cusp is Leo, and I have sun, merc, Venus, and mars in Leo all in the 10th. So my question was also whether Capricorn has any bearing on that stellium, since the 10th house naturally belongs to Capricorn.
Thank you for the clarification!

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posted May 10, 2020 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
Ah, yes, I see.

I have Sagittarius on the cusp of the third house; Capricorn is engulfed within the 3rd house.
Same thing with cancer, it is completely within the 9th house.
Neptune is in Capricorn in the 3rd house.
My 10th house cusp is Leo, and I have sun, merc, Venus, and mars in Leo all in the 10th. So my question was also whether Capricorn has any bearing on that stellium, since the 10th house naturally belongs to Capricorn.
Thank you for the clarification!

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posted May 10, 2020 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by LeoSagRisingTaurusMoon:
You're absolutely right, Graham. I do really welcome your clarifications, you're so accurate and experienced, too.

I was referring to intercepted houses in my natal chart, that have the same sign on both their own cusp and that of the following house, 12-1 being encompassed by Sag and 6-7 by Gemini.

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In effect ... An issue in your 12th and 6th houses will be adversely affecting the activities of your 1st and 7th houses - in a way that, until resolved, will prevent you from making the most effective use of the qualities of your intercepted signs (and any planets within them).

posted May 10, 2020 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Intercepted signs inevitably produce two pairs of consecutive houses that have the same sign on the cusp of each pair. And tthe intercepted signs have to be interpreted and synthesised with them. But, you have not yet told us what they are.

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Perhaps it’s easier if I post my chart, since I’m still confused about what I’ve left out. 😂

posted May 10, 2020 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
Perhaps it’s easier if I post my chart, since I’m still confused about what I’ve left out. 😂

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You have Libra on the cusp of the 12th and 1st houses - and Aries on the cusps of the 6th and 7th.

posted May 10, 2020 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
What matters is that everyone on this thread is using the terms "intercepted signs" and "intercepted houses" to mean the same thing.

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Not so, and you have missed the point entirely. That's not what the Arkana Dictionary says or what I am saying.

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And, I'd advise sticking with the meanings used by the astrology community :- ...

Otherwise, we only add to the current confusion within the astrological community.

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The astrological community is already confused because:
(a) its pet interpretations of these horoscopic factors are contradictory (some saying they show 'hard' or debilitated influences, others the opposite);
(b) it has repeated the corruptions of the geometric term.

In astrology it applies to the interception of the mundane sphere by a specific semi-arc, not the "interception" of a sign's semi-arc by a house semi-arc which is based on the sign-based simplistic assumption that every zodiac sign should neatly lay over a single house cusp.

Ultimately, none of the questions specific persons have about their chart's own interceptions can be answered in this type of setting, which can only really deal in hypotheticals. It requires that a truly accurate Asc figure be first confirmed before the layout of of house lines can accurately show whether there is any condition of interception. I have seen many birth charts that needed to be corrected by even just a degree or two on the Asc, which then eliminated supposed interceptions.

The widened houses of a genuine interception shows a relative emphasis there, which cannot be said of (opposite) house pairs narrowed within the 30° boundaries of a sign pair. House interceptions may or may not be the primary emphasis of the chart by house, which is always seen in the house that contains the most planets or Sun paired with other planets. And there are plenty of birth charts that have a rather equal emphasis in two different houses. There are birth horoscopes accurately charted that will contain such house interceptions, but which will also show an even wider house pair elsewhere.

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posted May 10, 2020 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The astrological community is already confused because:
(a) its pet interpretations of these horoscopic factors are contradictory (some saying they show 'hard' or debilitated influences, others the opposite);
(b) it has repeated the corruptions of the geometric term.

In astrology it applies to the interception of the mundane sphere by a specific semi-arc, not the "interception" of a sign's semi-arc by a house semi-arc which is based on the sign-based simplistic assumption that every zodiac sign should neatly lay over a single house cusp.

Ultimately, none of the questions specific persons have about their chart's own interceptions can be answered in this type of setting, which can only really deal in hypotheticals. It requires that a truly accurate Asc figure be first confirmed before the layout of of house lines can accurately show whether there is any condition of interception. I have seen many birth charts that needed to be corrected by even just a degree or two on the Asc, which then eliminated supposed interceptions.

The widened houses of a genuine interception shows a relative emphasis there, which cannot be said of (opposite) house pairs narrowed within the 30° boundaries of a sign pair. House interceptions may or may not be the primary emphasis of the chart by house, which is always seen in the house that contains the most planets or Sun paired with other planets. And there are plenty of birth charts that have a rather equal emphasis in two different houses. There are birth horoscopes accurately charted that will contain such house interceptions, but which will also show an even wider house pair elsewhere.

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Hence my comment that we are only adding to the confusion by attempting to correct it. ... Better (imo) to accept what cannot now be changed, and focus on helping chart owners to correctly interpret these astrological indicators - even if that means using inaccurate terminology.

posted May 10, 2020 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
You have Libra on the cusp of the 12th and 1st houses - and Aries on the cusps of the 6th and 7th.

So, an issue in your 12th and 6th houses will be adversely affecting the activities of your 1st and 7th houses - In a way that, until resolved, will prevent you from making the most effective use of the qualities of Capricorn, Cancer and any natal planets within them.

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I think you've actually mentioned this to me before, Graham, that there are perhaps 6th house issues that are holding me back from certain things. And as I'm observing myself I'm realizing that perhaps you're right. I have an extremely difficult time regulating a daily schedule, and have not been able to establish a morning routine that gets me going throughout my day. I also am a terrible procrastinator; I know everybody procrastinates a little bit, but I'm a self-proclaimed queen

Perhaps if I figure out the small picture (daily habits, etc) the big picture will settle into place (career, love, family, etc)

You also mentioned that Capricorn still rules the 10th and Cancer still rules the 4th. ... But, the Moon has no cusp through which to act - and Saturn has only one (Aquarius) rather than two.

Can you clarify that a little bit? What does it mean for the Moon not to have a cusp through which to act...as in, it is not a ruler of a particular house in my chart?

posted May 11, 2020 04:11 AM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
I think you've actually mentioned this to me before, Graham, that there are perhaps 6th house issues that are holding me back from certain things. And as I'm observing myself I'm realizing that perhaps you're right. I have an extremely difficult time regulating a daily schedule, and have not been able to establish a morning routine that gets me going throughout my day. I also am a terrible procrastinator; I know everybody procrastinates a little bit, but I'm a self-proclaimed queen

Perhaps if I figure out the small picture (daily habits, etc) the big picture will settle into place (career, love, family, etc)

You also mentioned that Capricorn still rules the 10th and Cancer still rules the 4th. ... But, the Moon has no cusp through which to act - and Saturn has only one (Aquarius) rather than two.

Can you clarify that a little bit? What does it mean for the Moon not to have a cusp through which to act...as in, it is not a ruler of a particular house in my chart?

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As you can see, I have Cancer+Moon intercepted in 10th house; Capricorn+Jupiter intercepted in 4th house; Virgo on the cusp of 12th+1st and Pisces on the cusp of 6th+7th.

So ... if that 10th house cusp had fallen in Cancer, the need of my Moon (to nurture others) would have naturally/instinctively been expressed via a career in one of the caring professions.

posted May 11, 2020 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MonteCristo:

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As you can see, I have Cancer+Moon intercepted in 10th house; Capricorn+Jupiter intercepted in 4th house; Virgo on the cusp of 12th+1st and Pisces on the cusp of 6th+7th.

So ... if that 10th house cusp had fallen in Cancer, the need of my Moon (to nurture others) would have naturally/instinctively been expressed via a career in one of the caring professions.

However, interception left my Moon trying to express that "need to nurture others" via a career house that has Gemini on it's cusp - ruled by Mercury in Scorpio and 2nd house (of finance). Hence, I became a public sector accountant - specialising in the investigation of fraud and poor value for money ... and fulfilled my need to nurture others by (s)mothering those working on the team(s) that I led. Thus, the Moon did express it's need - but not in the most effective way, because it was unable to act directly through it's natural sign of Cancer.
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I see. So, your moon had trouble expressing its need but still found a way to do so, though not fully?

posted May 11, 2020 01:22 PM            

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So if my Neptune is intercepted in the third house... would that mean that my imagination or dreams cannot reach full potential through the written word?

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For me ... the 6th-12th house (axis of service) issue came from being conditioned as a child/adolescent (by my parents) to believe WITHOUT EVER QUESTIONING that "good people always put the needs of others before themselves".

However ... the cumulative effect of practicing that belief for some 40 years was that both my physical health (1st house) and marriage (7th house) were almost at breaking point ... and the members of my public sector work team (10th house) were ill-equipped to compete with their private sector counterparts, because I had focused upon nurturing them (Cancer) rather than managing them (Capricorn). Hence, we all came close to paying a high price for my (s)mothering management style - me via a breakdown of health and marriage, and them by losing their jobs to the private sector.

Fortunately though, we turned this around when it dawned on me that - rather than "always putting the needs of others before our own" - one should "always put the greatest need first". ... In this case, that was my health - which required me to do less and the others to do more - resulting in them having to perform at a level that enabled them to be more than capable of competing with their private sector counterparts.

So ... win-win ... due entirely to modifying my interpretation of the childhood/adolescent conditioned belief that "good people always put the needs of others first".

posted May 11, 2020 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE][b]So if my Neptune is intercepted in the third house... would that mean that my imagination or dreams cannot reach full potential through the written word?

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For me ... the 6th-12th house (axis of service) issue came from being conditioned as a child/adolescent (by my parents) to believe WITHOUT EVER QUESTIONING that "good people always put the needs of others before themselves".

However ... the cumulative effect of practicing that belief for some 40 years was that both my physical health (1st house) and marriage (7th house) were almost at breaking point ... and the members of my public sector work team (10th house) were ill-equipped to compete with their private sector counterparts, because I had focused upon nurturing them (Cancer) rather than managing them (Capricorn). Hence, we all came close to paying a high price for my (s)mothering management style - me via a breakdown of health and marriage, and them by losing their jobs to the private sector.

Fortunately though, we turned this around when it dawned on me that - rather than "always putting the needs of others before our own" - one should "always put the greatest need first". ... In this case, that was my health - which required me to do less and the others to do more - resulting in them having to perform at a level that enabled them to be more than capable of competing with their private sector counterparts.

So ... win-win ... due entirely to modifying my interpretation of the childhood/adolescent conditioned belief that "good people always put the needs of others first".

Moreover, I have since then concluded that the "issue of an interception" will invariably involve a never-questioned Piscean Age value/belief which needs adapting to the Aquarian Age. (In my case, teaching others to fish rather than giving them the fish caught by ourself.)[/B][/QUOTE]

So enlightening, Graham.
I think I have a similar issue with my 6-12 houses and I'll try to explain how maybe it has played out in my life until now.

I put other people's needs, in terms of timing and desires in my life, first. People I loved, for sure.

My first bf moved to work abroad without consulting me, without either ending the relationship, just taking for granted that I would somewhat put up with this. I did for some time, thinking that he needed that experience and I had not the right to totally tie him down.

The second one led me on for years, neptunizing me (his Neptune is on my ascendant) with movie like romance, I loved him and gave him plenty of time to settle down, giving him a number of excuses in my head, but ultimately it ended up being a ginormous waste of time.

I put their needs, or what I thought their needs were, before mine. And still do to an extent in my current relationship. I am trying to break the pattern but it's a thin line between healthy boundaries and egoism, and I oscillate wildly between the two, I struggle to find a balance.

I am understanding by nature (he needs to settle down financially at least a bit before he can marry me, I get it) and indecisive too (do I really want to marry? I'd feel safer starting with a cohabitation. And what if I'm not ready yet? I still want to talk and be flirty with new people... But I want kids, what if I get too old?) so it's all the more hard, and it's just an example of what happens in my head.

The 1-7 struggle plays out in a similar way: ego, independence and desire to explore vs need for commitment, real feelings and emotional depth. Whenever the 7 house prevails, I miss (a tad bit) being free. Whenever the 1st house needs prevail, I have long hard moments of loneliness and emptiness.

I hope this makes sense somehow, will proof read tomorrow.

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My natal chart with asteroids http://i.imgur.com/1IG2Im4.png

and without asteroids http://i.imgur.com/Tl0L7oL.png

posted May 12, 2020 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by LeoSagRisingTaurusMoon:
So enlightening, Graham.
I think I have a similar issue with my 6-12 houses and I'll try to explain how maybe it has played out in my life until now.

I put other people's needs, in terms of timing and desires in my life, first. People I loved, for sure.

My first bf moved to work abroad without consulting me, without either ending the relationship, just taking for granted that I would somewhat put up with this. I did for some time, thinking that he needed that experience and I had not the right to totally tie him down.

The second one led me on for years, neptunizing me (his Neptune is on my ascendant) with movie like romance, I loved him and gave him plenty of time to settle down, giving him a number of excuses in my head, but ultimately it ended up being a ginormous waste of time.

I put their needs, or what I thought their needs were, before mine. And still do to an extent in my current relationship. I am trying to break the pattern but it's a thin line between healthy boundaries and egoism, and I oscillate wildly between the two, I struggle to find a balance.

I am understanding by nature (he needs to settle down financially at least a bit before he can marry me, I get it) and indecisive too (do I really want to marry? I'd feel safer starting with a cohabitation. And what if I'm not ready yet? I still want to talk and be flirty with new people... But I want kids, what if I get too old?) so it's all the more hard, and it's just an example of what happens in my head.

The 1-7 struggle plays out in a similar way: ego, independence and desire to explore vs need for commitment, real feelings and emotional depth. Whenever the 7 house prevails, I miss (a tad bit) being free. Whenever the 1st house needs prevail, I have long hard moments of loneliness and emptiness.

I hope this makes sense somehow, will proof read tomorrow.

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How do you perceive your Uranus-Chiron opposition "playing out" in the 12th and 6th houses, LSRTM?

Uranus is shining a light on the Chiron wound in Gemini/6th, so unexpected events will ensure that it is confronted in the current lifetime. .... But, what do you consider that childhood-inflicted wound to be? And, why might it have been astrologically highlighted/"underlined" by being in the only two houses contained wholly within only one sign?

posted May 13, 2020 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

Perhaps I can illustrate using my own natal chart, posted below.

As you can see, I have Cancer+Moon intercepted in 10th house; Capricorn+Jupiter intercepted in 4th house; Virgo on the cusp of 12th+1st and Pisces on the cusp of 6th+7th.

So ... if that 10th house cusp had fallen in Cancer, the need of my Moon (to nurture others) would have naturally/instinctively been expressed via a career in one of the caring professions.

However, interception left my Moon trying to express that "need to nurture others" via a career house that has Gemini on it's cusp - ruled by Mercury in Scorpio and 2nd house (of finance). Hence, I became a public sector accountant - specialising in the investigation of fraud and poor value for money ... and fulfilled my need to nurture others by (s)mothering those working on the team(s) that I led. Thus, the Moon did express it's need - but not in the most effective way, because it was unable to act directly through it's natural sign of Cancer.

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I think I am finally grasping what you are saying, Graham. I'm glad you eventually found a balance.
So in my chart, since cancer is intercepted in the 9th house, the house of higher education, and the ruler of that house is gemini, and mercury is placed in leo in the 10th, I was trying to figure out my purpose and philosophical meaning to life through career and perhaps being on display...when really, I would have better nurtured that through higher education? Interestingly enough, I decided to put my ballet dancing and teaching on hold, and enrolled in a private university for a Classical Languages and History degree....at the age of 31.

I wonder what effect the intercepted capricorn in the 3rd house with neptune means. Perhaps my imagination is trying to find a way to express itself, yet I'm uable to concentrate and dedicate myself to actually writing that book I've always meant to finish. Hmmmm.

posted May 14, 2020 02:13 AM            

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I wonder what effect the intercepted capricorn in the 3rd house with neptune means. Perhaps my imagination is trying to find a way to express itself, yet I'm uable to concentrate and dedicate myself to actually writing that book I've always meant to finish. Hmmmm.

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The ruler of Capricorn (Saturn) is still able to use Neptune for it's own purposes - but can only do so NATURALLY through Aquarius (on the cusp of 4th), and has to communicate UNNATURALLY through Sagittarius (on the cusp of the 3rd).

Hence that book will get finished when you/Saturn-in-Aquarius/4th) can see it (through the eyes of high-minded Sagittarius and compassionate Neptune) as "a dutiful contribution to society, or the family-of-humankind".