posted January 30, 2022 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by henryhampton:
If you were on a special ops mission and your job was to invade an enemy's location, would you go in guns blazing or try to "blend in" with them? (think like them, get inside their heads, understand them)

It's a decision between suicide and survival.

I on the other hand am simply sitting back and trying to learn about all of my "weapons" (or whatever symbolism you wish to concoct) so that it can better serve me if the time comes. I'd rather be prepared and not need it, compared to trying to express it without the tools.

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It seems to me that you instinctively understand the energy of Pluto and are thus embodying it. Pluto in Sco in 1st house is about what you described. So perhaps the "loudness" of Aries Moon may be in the way?

If we are fine-tuning this, the moon-inconjunct aspect suggests that one doesn't like revealing one's hand. Or is uncomfortable with showing their more vulnerable side(which is depicted by the Moon).

Maybe your Asc in Sco (on one hand) sees power in self control/restraint and concealimg ones next move. And Aries Moon sees power in open expression, saying whats on their mind and having an open hand? The two at odds with each other?

So here we have the Aries baby wanting to scream out loud when hurt. But the Sco Asc external image being of a person who bottles "bursts" of anger towards more appropriate times. When it has the best impact.

But Aries has no concept of "strategy". Everything is expressed NOW. And the saying "A majority of people are responding to the reality they see NOW" applies very much to Aries.

Sco is about precision (like Cap). And its expression when affiliated with Mars is "concentrated" . Whilst Aries is more (how you say)"explosive"?

This may be a quirk i.e. your fiery Aries Moon may show itself up again and again-attracting attention from others as a child would at a shopping aisle when crying for sweets.

I still think the key is to embrace the expression of your vulnerable nature and being ok with that being seen by rhe public.You are not being maniacal.Its expression is nececassary to holistic fulfilment.

So the attractive thing about you is that you feel intensely.But you dont bottle it in,you express this raw energy outwardly.There are people who'll find this "sexy"🤷🏿‍♂️.

The Moon in aspect to the Asc when conjunct suggests that the native may see emotional receptivity(Moon) as part in parcel (Conj)of whom they are(Asc). They will willingly talk about their vulnerability.It takes nothing away from them as they don't see it as a "weakness" or "impediment".

With the inconjunct/opp/square aspect, the Moon /Asc combo, part of our struggle could be that we feel "embarrassed" of our vulnerability and ddon't want to let people know how we are internally.

Perhaps as children that side of us was not supported or seen as "inappropriate"?

With men who have the Asc in Can square to Moon in Aries for instance, their sensitive nature was maybe seen as being "sissy". So they learned to "toughen up" and respond to life either through being overly aggressive or defensive. Emphasizing their Moon in Aries in a very negative way.

Often with the challenging aspects of Asc to Moon, our response is to judge those feelings as "weak" or "self sabotaging" to ones projected extenal image because one wants to dissociate from the "weak" energy of the Moon.

The problem here is the misguided value judgement we have of the Moon. That's what creates the dis-ease and in time this may crystallize in forming a real disease.

Again I say that the cosmos has blessed you with Moon in Aries so that you are more receptive to emotions and are seen by others as an "emotional" person.

You may see this as a "weakness " on your end. But thats a value misjudgement on yourself you place on yourself. Nobody else judges you as harshly🤔

posted January 31, 2022 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
It seems to me that you instinctively understand the energy of Pluto and are thus embodying it. Pluto in Sco in 1st house is about what you described. So perhaps the "loudness" of Aries Moon may be in the way?

If we are fine-tuning this, the moon-inconjunct aspect suggests that one doesn't like revealing one's hand. Or is uncomfortable with showing their more vulnerable side(which is depicted by the Moon).

Maybe your Asc in Sco (on one hand) sees power in self control/restraint and concealimg ones next move. And Aries Moon sees power in open expression, saying whats on their mind and having an open hand? The two at odds with each other?

So here we have the Aries baby wanting to scream out loud when hurt. But the Sco Asc external image being of a person who bottles "bursts" of anger towards more appropriate times. When it has the best impact.

But Aries has no concept of "strategy". Everything is expressed NOW. And the saying "A majority of people are responding to the reality they see NOW" applies very much to Aries.

Sco is about precision (like Cap). And its expression when affiliated with Mars is "concentrated" . Whilst Aries is more (how you say)"explosive"?

This may be a quirk i.e. your fiery Aries Moon may show itself up again and again-attracting attention from others as a child would at a shopping aisle when crying for sweets.

I still think the key is to embrace the expression of your vulnerable nature and being ok with that being seen by rhe public.You are not being maniacal.Its expression is nececassary to holistic fulfilment.

So the attractive thing about you is that you feel intensely.But you dont bottle it in,you express this raw energy outwardly.There are people who'll find this "sexy"🤷🏿‍♂️.

The Moon in aspect to the Asc when conjunct suggests that the native may see emotional receptivity(Moon) as part in parcel (Conj)of whom they are(Asc). They will willingly talk about their vulnerability.It takes nothing away from them as they don't see it as a "weakness" or "impediment".

With the inconjunct/opp/square aspect, the Moon /Asc combo, part of our struggle could be that we feel "embarrassed" of our vulnerability and ddon't want to let people know how we are internally.

Perhaps as children that side of us was not supported or seen as "inappropriate"?

With men who have the Asc in Can square to Moon in Aries for instance, their sensitive nature was maybe seen as being "sissy". So they learned to "toughen up" and respond to life either through being overly aggressive or defensive. Emphasizing their Moon in Aries in a very negative way.

Often with the challenging aspects of Asc to Moon, our response is to judge those feelings as "weak" or "self sabotaging" to ones projected extenal image because one wants to dissociate from the "weak" energy of the Moon.

The problem here is the misguided value judgement we have of the Moon. That's what creates the dis-ease and in time this may crystallize in forming a real disease.

Again I say that the cosmos has blessed you with Moon in Aries so that you are more receptive to emotions and are seen by others as an "emotional" person.

You may see this as a "weakness " on your end. But thats a value misjudgement on yourself you place on yourself. Nobody else judges you as harshly🤔

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While I appreciate the sentimental definitive observations being inherently described by you as the case here, I don't think you're hitting the nail on the head, respectively with what I'm concerned with here though. What you're describing are very fine-tuned descriptors that both signs could very well have, but what I'm trying to understand isn't the conceptualization between these two though.

I'm trying to understand how not to be scared of showcasing my emotions in its entirety coming from a planetary or celestial body influence. Not from my respective "signs." The problem is that while it can be carried out in different ways depending on where these two celestial bodies lie, I feel it is an intrinsic problem that is prevalent with just the aspect or degree itself. At the core I'm not searching to understand the nature in which these things "can" or "should" be carried out, I'm more searching for the methodical anecdote behind anyone that has to deal with "moon qncx asc," which I understand can run into problems since people can look at it from differing points of view. There are traditional popular conceptualized aspects or "features" associated with this aspect and I'm only aiming to identify how to go about properly treating the "ailments"(for lack of a better term) associated with it. Like being scared of ones emotions as an example of one aspect associated with it. I feel like you're getting too caught up in possible outputs or outlets concerning my specific disposition. That's not what I was asking, no offense, but I do appreciate the flavor, style, you represent, the descriptors, as well as the overall picture that you've painted.

What I'm talking about is a very deep-rooted internal problem that I'm seeking resolution with, and it's hard for a Mercury in the 8th to describe to folks because we do go so deep into things. Scorpio always does. I don't think you're comprehending the problem that I'm dealing with and it is rightfully so since it's especially not an easy thing to understand if you've not experienced it for yourself. I'm trying to find someone that is really willing to take the time to delve deep into this with some surgical tools. Which, I understand, can be a very messy thing to deal with. That's why I've asked for the leading astrologers of this site, while not trying to come off as condescending in the process.

Someone that can really have a deep-rooted thought process behind something that is mostly likely rattling people's brains. Almost like a doctor of some sort. I don't believe the solution lies in anything surface level, I think it's an internal problem that I am facing. It's not as simple as just "stop being afraid" though, I don't know how to explain it, and I'm sorry, but I just figured that someone would understand where I'm coming from, but I do know what I'm talking about though. I've studied astrology enough to understand these things, but, it doesn't necessarily mean that I have the answer though to hard aspects. I suppose I have to consider the potential for someone not being "evolved" enough to have the answer that I seek. Maybe that's the case here, unfortunately.

posted February 01, 2022 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
When there is an issue that causes such a deep rooted unease, as you describe, it usually is more than just one aspect. There often is an underlying theme in the chart that supports these strong feelings. An inconjunct aspect can lead to awkwardness but there should be other aspects involved to make it a dominant feature in your personality.

I'm not an experienced astrologer, but my advice would be to get your whole chart done by a professional and to not just focus on this one aspect.

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Which is why I originally, specifically mentioned the aspect from the very beginning. I didn't want to get into all of this other "stuff" that's basically just taking away from my original concern. At this point, I suppose I have to be rather blunt and say that I'm not looking for bias on anything outside of what I originally asked for. I wish it didn't have to come to this, but that's what I'm asking for here. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm trying to be nice here. I'm trying to dial in on this specific aspect because I feel it's important. I understand others may not feel it's acceptable, but I do, so it's how I feel. This is my thread and I'd like to fulfill my original intentions from the very beginning. I don't mean any offense but when someone asks about apples, you don't need to address that they grow on trees. Just answer the question. Again, trying to be nice here.

posted February 02, 2022 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by henryhampton:
While I appreciate the sentimental definitive observations being inherently described by you as the case here, I don't think you're hitting the nail on the head, respectively with what I'm concerned with here though. What you're describing are very fine-tuned descriptors that both signs could very well have, but what I'm trying to understand isn't the conceptualization between these two though.

I'm trying to understand how not to be scared of showcasing my emotions in its entirety coming from a planetary or celestial body influence. Not from my respective "signs." The problem is that while it can be carried out in different ways depending on where these two celestial bodies lie, I feel it is an intrinsic problem that is prevalent with just the aspect or degree itself. At the core I'm not searching to understand the nature in which these things "can" or "should" be carried out, I'm more searching for the methodical anecdote behind anyone that has to deal with "moon qncx asc," which I understand can run into problems since people can look at it from differing points of view. There are traditional popular conceptualized aspects or "features" associated with this aspect and I'm only aiming to identify how to go about properly treating the "ailments"(for lack of a better term) associated with it. Like being scared of ones emotions as an example of one aspect associated with it. I feel like you're getting too caught up in possible outputs or outlets concerning my specific disposition. That's not what I was asking, no offense, but I do appreciate the flavor, style, you represent, the descriptors, as well as the overall picture that you've painted.

What I'm talking about is a very deep-rooted internal problem that I'm seeking resolution with, and it's hard for a Mercury in the 8th to describe to folks because we do go so deep into things. Scorpio always does. I don't think you're comprehending the problem that I'm dealing with and it is rightfully so since it's especially not an easy thing to understand if you've not experienced it for yourself. I'm trying to find someone that is really willing to take the time to delve deep into this with some surgical tools. Which, I understand, can be a very messy thing to deal with. That's why I've asked for the leading astrologers of this site, while not trying to come off as condescending in the process.

Someone that can really have a deep-rooted thought process behind something that is mostly likely rattling people's brains. Almost like a doctor of some sort. I don't believe the solution lies in anything surface level, I think it's an internal problem that I am facing. It's not as simple as just "stop being afraid" though, I don't know how to explain it, and I'm sorry, but I just figured that someone would understand where I'm coming from, but I do know what I'm talking about though. I've studied astrology enough to understand these things, but, it doesn't necessarily mean that I have the answer though to hard aspects. I suppose I have to consider the potential for someone not being "evolved" enough to have the answer that I seek. Maybe that's the case here, unfortunately.

I feel like this is something that I'm really going to need some serious "firepower" in order to understand this aspect inside/out.

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Perhaps🤷🏿‍♂️.

posted February 03, 2022 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Perhaps🤷🏿‍♂️.

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posted February 07, 2022 07:01 AM            

Any experts?