posted January 16, 2022 05:41 PM            

I have "studied" it for over 10 years now. I would say that there is a definite intuition that is developed other than intellectual understanding or "application."

I have found that I am able to "feel" a lot of the puzzle pieces that are set in "motion" (pun intended?) within our charts at birth. Over 10 years ago a friend of mine introduced me to astrology. I was extremely sceptical (skeptical(sp?)) at first given my heavy Scorpio influences (not known back then). Yet, I'm a Gemini so my curiosity always gets the best of me, and I figured, what the heck, what do I have to lose. So I started studying it, hoping to sort of skid across the lake so to speak to see what this "astrology" was all about. I would say after a few days my lake adventures took me to a full blown deep sea diving expeditions. I started to get immersed and completely drawn to it merely from the sheer astounding influence of what I had just discovered. Quite a gem at the bottom. It pulled me in, like a tractor beam, and I couldn't help myself but to delve even further into the "rabbit hole."

Anyways, that's my little Schpiel so to speak.

I just stumbled across this website and it seems to have such a lovely community of folks that I'm glad that I have found somewhere I can hopefully not only learn further into but as well as hopefully be able to help myself with some complications, so to speak, since I don't consider myself any expert at all, just a mere "hobbyist."

I have two very negative aspects in my chart that I'm now fully "evolved" or "awake" enough to acknowledge to a degree that allows me to take heed at the sheer difficulty that I face with these two placements alone.

1.) Moon Quincunx Ascendant

I am a Moon in Aries inconjunct Ascendant in Scorpio.

2.) Venus Opposition Pluto

Venus in Taurus Opposition Pluto in Scorpio.

3.) Mars in Aries Square Neptune in Capricorn.

4.) I think I'm a very mild (80 degree??) Sun Square Moon, even though I feel that I feel it heavily.

5.) Mars in Aries Square Jupiter in Cancer

Now, I understand that a chart needs to be evaluated to gain better insight into any activity, other than just "single placements or aspects" standing alone by themselves.

Although, that's precisely why I outlined the above aspects, is to give a broader insight into what I'm dealing with, without outright having to literally post my astrological chart in and of itself.

My biggest concern here lately, or for the past 4-5 years is this "Moon Inconjunct Ascendant." It has really been a living Hell to deal with, since I feel like even the most sincerest attempt to "tackle" this placement head on, with a very fervent, courageous, and honest manner can run into a very real difficulty just even trying to understand this aspect from the "inside out," so to speak. I can't have an out of body experience, and Quincunx's absolutely fascinate me in general. Yet, while this fascination akin to being able to observe something supernatural that you cannot explain. You can see the beauty and horror in it, yet to define it, or even make use of its "potential," is something that is definitely not to be mistakenly taken lightly.

To me, a Quincunx is an aspect in which, I feel has to be conjoined in a pure intuitive way or outright subconsciously. I fight this deduction using my own inferring contemplation using other examples. Take a Mercury Quincunx Neptune for example and you have an individual that essentially (imo) has a "baby's" "level" of understanding about the world around them, except it is just formulated (filtered) through a soon to be adult human mind. They see the world differently, in a pure, innocent manner, that not anyone would understand otherwise if they did not experience this at all. They are able to understand things naturally, or subconsciously, in a very beautiful, loving, and most likely creative manner.

The reason I state this is because I think it's important to note, that with Quincunx's, it's not an easy feat to be able to exactly reach out and "touch" exactly what it is. In other words, it is difficult to always put a finger on it I would say definitely for the individual that has the Quincunx. It has to be developed with love, discernment, discipline, understanding, care, contentment, and information.

I know I have trailed off quite a bit with this quite lengthy simple concern of mine, yet, I feel it is hard to express what I feel in words.

I don't accept my emotions as valid, and they scare me to no end.

This isn't just because of the placement in and of itself, but it also has most likely a lot to do with my own pure conscious awareness of the "mechanics" playing out during my life's endeavours on a daily basis, along with my own confusion trying to "tap" into this aspect alone. I understand that I'm a very intense individual, typically through the lens of the descriptions of others given my very Scorpionic / Lilith / Juno / Pluto / Mercury in the 8th / Pluto in the 1st etc.. etc.... nature, alongside having.... Moon in Aries inconjunct a Scorpio Rising can create a very direct issue to "solve" as far as dealing with your "image" throughout daily life.

I'm not trying to say that I'm trying to "win" others approvals either, because I'm not like that at all. I just intellectually understand that it's a very real constant problem that has persisted immaturely for the longest time, even if it isn't necessarily my fault. Most people express their emotions in a very healthy manner, without feeling afraid, self-conscious, etc.... and it's very natural and easy for them.

This difficulty has troubled me for the longest time and I am simply trying to learn what I can do to be able to experience what others would "deem" as a "naturally healthy" form of self-expression that I find so troubling, rightfully so..... astrology is no joke.

We all have our truths, our 360's, our own influences in which we must grow to know.

So I ask, what is the right approach to dealing with this hard placement? Is it even feasible to be able approach in a manner in which I can obtain a healthy form of showcasing my emotions without truly being scared or self-conscious about them? I have really tried to "tap into" this energy or influence and it seems to ultimately catch me in a bind. These two energies are very "warlike" I feel, given that they're both governed by Mars. I am very warlike in a lot of my determinations or how I go about life. It's very strategic, very calculating, and very forced.

This is not necessarily the most practical way to go about life in a very socially acceptable manner though. It is a problem that needs to be fixed.

Sun: Gemini/8th
Rising: Scorpio
Moon: Aries/5th
Mercury: Gemini/8th
Mars: Aries/6th
Venus: Taurus/7th
Jupiter: Cancer/9th
Saturn: Capricorn/3rd
Uranus: Capricorn/3rd
Neptune: Capricorn/3rd
Pluto: Scorpio/1st

posted January 17, 2022 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Welcome!

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posted January 17, 2022 05:55 PM            

I don't see the quincunx to be an aspect as difficult as you seem to be describing here. No matter the planets involved, it is not the most challenging aspect to find moderation and balance with (such as oppositions, squares, and some conjunctions). Venus opp Pluto is much more challenging.

And I do have some in my own birth chart, so I'm not just speaking in hypotheticals or abstract principles here. (Venus quincunx Jupiter & Sun q Uranus)

Much of what you're describing around difficulty expressing or accepting your emotions can be attributable to a large degree to what many people with Scorpio/Pluto rising experience, especially with an added aspect of tension like Pluto opposite Venus. Pluto and Scorpio are about deep feelings, which may feel hard to contain yet possibly to intense to let out at just any moment or just any person; the intensity may feel as urgency inappropriate to the situation.

I'd look into what transit(s) you may've been undergoing in the last 4-5 years that might be lunar related that could explain your challenges during that period. If your natal Moon is about +/-22° Aries, then it has been getting a square from Pluto during that period.

Also, in my over 20 years dealing with this, most Ascendants are at least 2° off as cast according to recorded birth time. A disproportionate number of birth times are rounded to the quarter or half hour. So since the quincunx aspect has only a maximum 3° orb you can see how it may not be there if the Asc were to need only a 1-3° adjustment (quite common).

Quincunxes represent important life lesson aspects that play out slowly as we grow and learn to make modest adjustments instead of overreacting or negating. It is a matter of more fluid coordination between the energies involved (self-expression/Asc - feelings/Moon). This 150° aspect is the 30-degree aspect stage between the flowing trine and the I-thou tension/balance of the opposition. It represents a move from what is easy or most natural to what extends into what is doable and relatable but more challenging.

Could you link us to your chart image?

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posted January 17, 2022 06:16 PM            

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posted January 17, 2022 07:35 PM            

The way you speak of the struggles related to Moon and/or Pluto/Scorpio is out of proportion to that aspect (quincunx-Asc). What you're talking about with intensity and not trusting your own feelings is much more the dynamic of a contra-parallel, opposition, etc. And the (nirayana) loka planets are unconvincing relative to Asc 1° Scorpio. So I'm going by the chart's own internal indicators. Solar loka is Mercury (bi-quintile the Asc shown). Lunar loka is in decan 1 of Pisces, so Jupiter or Neptune. Moon is moving eastward closest to IC/MC axis and its loka(s) are not in angle or aspect relation to either Asc or MC. This chart's layout just doesn't look supported by the loka planets to me. I doubt you're even Scorpio rising.

With recorded b.t. indicating 2nd degree of Scorpio rising, it is quite possible the correct Asc is earlier. Try reading my descriptions of Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio rising for comparison to see which one fits more.

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posted January 17, 2022 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I don't think you have the aspect of Moon quincunx Asc. I know this is out of left field and not exactly what you were looking for, but hear me out.

The way you speak of the struggles related to Moon and/or Pluto/Scorpio is out of proportion to that aspect (quincunx-Asc). What you're talking about with intensity and not trusting your own feelings is much more the dynamic of a contra-parallel, opposition, etc. And the (nirayana) loka planets are unconvincing relative to Asc 1° Scorpio. So I'm going by the chart's own internal indicators. Solar loka is Mercury (bi-quintile the Asc shown). Lunar loka is in decan 1 of Pisces, so Jupiter or Neptune. Moon is moving eastward closest to IC/MC axis and its loka(s) are not in angle or aspect relation to either Asc or MC. This chart's layout just doesn't look supported by the loka planets to me. I doubt you're even Scorpio rising.

With recorded b.t. indicating 2nd degree of Scorpio rising, it is quite possible the correct Asc is earlier. Try reading my descriptions of Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio rising for comparison to see which one fits more.

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If I'm not a Scorpio Rising then I'm Abraham Lincoln, in the flesh, sir.

posted January 17, 2022 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I don't think you have the aspect of Moon quincunx Asc. I know this is out of left field and not exactly what you were looking for, but hear me out.

The way you speak of the struggles related to Moon and/or Pluto/Scorpio is out of proportion to that aspect (quincunx-Asc). What you're talking about with intensity and not trusting your own feelings is much more the dynamic of a contra-parallel, opposition, etc. And the (nirayana) loka planets are unconvincing relative to Asc 1° Scorpio. So I'm going by the chart's own internal indicators. Solar loka is Mercury (bi-quintile the Asc shown). Lunar loka is in decan 1 of Pisces, so Jupiter or Neptune. Moon is moving eastward closest to IC/MC axis and its loka(s) are not in angle or aspect relation to either Asc or MC. This chart's layout just doesn't look supported by the loka planets to me. I doubt you're even Scorpio rising.

With recorded b.t. indicating 2nd degree of Scorpio rising, it is quite possible the correct Asc is earlier. Try reading my descriptions of Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio rising for comparison to see which one fits more.

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And as far as you basically saying that my description isn't accurate with the typical aspects associated with Moon Quincunx Ascendant, I couldn't further disagree with you on this. I am absolutely petrified of my emotions which is the classical case with the Moon being inconjunct with the ascendant as well as the feeling of the inability to bring them out in a healthy manner. Do you have a website of your own? I'd like to dissect it because you seem to possess an extreme critical view on some very basic understandings.

posted January 17, 2022 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Welcome!

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posted January 17, 2022 08:19 PM            

What you find difficult regarding your expression of your Moon/feelings through your ascendant,
you seem to make up for through your Mercury.

You can express your Moon and Mars very well in thoughts/words/writing, reflected by the sextiles.
Mercury sextiles exactly your Moon-Mars midpoint.
You appear to be quite self reflective and your intellect/reasoning seems to be not fogged by your emotions or the other way round.
At least what I noticed so far and as these sextiles express.
So that should be a reason to be hopeful, that you could be able to develop yourself to a direction where you feel more comfortable in yourself.
You're still young, don't expect too much yet...

Also you have a Golden Mean aspect (137°30') between Pluto and Moon, with a slightly wide orb of 1°08' (distance 138°38'), orb should be about 1°, but I can feel that Golden Mean in you and it fits to the rest of your chart and your description of yourself.
Means that you have an innate, 'woven in', inseperable pattern in you of Moon and Pluto.

Intense feelings, expressing them and also the ability for inner transformation, I guess.

Since there are no descriptions of that specific Golden Mean, just read about the trine and the conjunct and translate it to the Golden Mean...

About the Moon-Pluto trine :

http://astrologyking.com/moon-trine-pluto/

About Golden Means :

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SBNGHIwfFmA

Mick Jagger has a Mars-Pluto Golden Mean.

Regarding your Sun-Moon square :

I would rather consider it a binovile (80°) with a slightly wide orb (1°26'), but still valid, specially because it's Sun and Moon.

These are just some elements that have to be viewed within the whole chart ofcourse.

I'm not the most experienced astrologer here btw...others may correct me.

posted January 17, 2022 08:20 PM            

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Originally posted by henryhampton:
If I'm not a Scorpio Rising then I'm Abraham Lincoln, in the flesh, sir.

I've never been told this, by anyone. Are you using Placidus? You seem to have some one of a kind strange introspect into your own beliefs of astrology is the feeling that I'm gathering here during this juncture. I could see the Moon quincunx Ascendant being in question, but definitely not the ascendant. I fit the description to a tee. I received my birth credential straight from the hospital, itself. Not sure how you can get any more accurate than that. Not trying to knock your boat off float either, just, this all seems "odd" to me.

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posted January 17, 2022 08:30 PM            

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Originally posted by HeavenlyLove:
What you find difficult regarding your expression of your Moon/feelings through your ascendant,
you seem to make up for through your Mercury.

You can express your Moon and Mars very well in thoughts/words/writing, reflected by the sextiles.
Mercury sextiles exactly your Moon-Mars midpoint.
You appear to be quite self reflective and your intellect/reasoning seems to be not fogged by your emotions or the other way round.
At least what I noticed so far and as these sextiles express.
So that should be a reason to be hopeful, that you could be able to develop yourself to a direction where you feel more comfortable in yourself.
You're still young, don't expect too much yet...

Also you have a Golden Mean aspect (137°30') between Pluto and Moon, with a slightly wide orb of 1°08' (distance 138°38'), orb should be about 1°, but I can feel that Golden Mean in you and it fits to the rest of your chart and your description of yourself.
Means that you have an innate, 'woven in', inseperable pattern in you of Moon and Pluto.

Intense feelings, expressing them and also the ability for inner transformation, I guess.

Since there are no descriptions of that specific Golden Mean, just read about the trine and the conjunct and translate it to the Golden Mean...

About the Moon-Pluto trine :

http://astrologyking.com/moon-trine-pluto/

About Golden Means :

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SBNGHIwfFmA

Mick Jagger has a Mars-Pluto Golden Mean.

Regarding your Sun-Moon square :

I would rather consider it a binovile (80°) with a slightly wide orb (1°26'), but still valid, specially because it's Sun and Moon.

These are just some elements that have to be viewed within the whole chart ofcourse.

I'm not the most experienced astrologer here btw...others may correct me.

I'm not able to explain more in this post, my eyes need rest, visually impared...

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posted January 19, 2022 05:13 PM            

Understand that as odd as some of my assertions seem, that is how odd some of what you're saying seems to me against the backdrop of your birth chart. But you just started posting here, so maybe there's something I'm missing.

I've been studying since 1996 and have been a professional astrologer for over two decades. My specialty is birth chart verification and rectification. So I have a particular sensitivity to matters of the Ascendant and planetary aspects to it, as well as the realities of in mundi rotation.

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Originally posted by henryhampton:
... Are you using Placidus?

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Yes, but that doesn't matter here. All house systems calculate the Asc the same (eastern horizon meets ecliptic). House systems vary based on the different ways of calculating space/time between Asc & Midheaven and trisecting it. I always use Placidus as I've done a comparative analysis with other systems and it is the most accurate house system we have.

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You seem to have some one of a kind strange introspect into your own beliefs of astrology is the feeling that I'm gathering here during this juncture. I could see the Moon quincunx Ascendant being in question, but definitely not the ascendant. I fit the description to a tee. I received my birth credential straight from the hospital, itself. Not sure how you can get any more accurate than that. Not trying to knock your boat off float either, just, this all seems "odd" to me.

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I'm a leader in astrological thought and follow what nature shows that astrology is and does. So yes, much of what I say is odd when viewed against the backdrop of standard astrological thinking. Doesn't mean it's not real and true.

You are quite articulate about what you feel and I can tell have a certain core of intuition. With astrology that is good, but we must also have the necessary definitions of how astrology actually functions rather than be dependent on a computer program written by someone else, and on what is repeated most often within astrological echo chambers, and dependent upon a single piece of medical record written by imperfect humans.

The Ascendant must be in question for the Moon quincunx to be in doubt. What you mean is "definitely not the sign on the Asc." I'll take your word for it since you are the one who knows yourself best.

The declinations are strange enough for most astrologers, yet as you've already witnessed, I've brought awareness of them to this forum and people have learned from it. I started with declinations in other forums years ago when even seasoned astrologers would respond at times with denial and anger. Since then, many have taken the time to look into the declinations and learn their importance.

The planetary principle of astrology is Uranus (in the 1st house of my birth chart) and it is very much known for its oddness and unusual knowledge or skills. As an example of that, I often precisely reverse engineer people's birth charts when they post them data-scrubbed in the forums. It allows me to more intelligently answer questions they pose. (I don't reveal their concealed data, of course.) Here is a specific example: http://www.lindagoodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/243166-2.html

Speaking of declinations, that is where the answers to the most common discrepancies of rising sign/Asc are found. Many a person with Libra rising and Pluto conjunct/parallel Asc seem quite Scorpio-like. Same with some older Virgo risers with Pluto conjunct/parallel Asc. The planetary principle always is stronger in aspect than its corresponding sign.

It is quite common for those whose time of record suggests the Asc should be in an early degree of a rising sign to actually be the personality of the prior rising sign. The chart would need the Asc adjusted back into that prior sign to be accurate. Same holds true for some situations with Asc late sign & adjustment to early next sign. I've helped a number of people with this here because some people rightly notice they do not at all fit their supposed rising sign. Maybe some will come out of the woodwork and talk about it. Maybe ask charlie.

While medical documents are the standard we expect for an 'official' record of birth time, they can be inaccurate to varying degrees. Most birth chart Ascendants are at least 2° off (enough to knock out that Moon quincunx to your Asc). I have a number of clients who were or are nurses. Some of them have given me the inside scoop on recording of birth times: it is wildly variable across hospitals, regions, and attending staffs. The health of baby and mother and various regulations and procedures take priority. One nurse has told me that birth times are often written down well after the delivery, whether 10 minutes or hours later, and there is lot of estimation involved (which can still be pretty accurate). The point is, medical documentation is not necessarily as accurate on b.t. as its officialness would imply. The tendency is for the time to be written as later than it should be for an accurate chart.

Then, there's the metaphysical nature of the birth process. I've got an article or two on my website explaining more of that.

My purpose is not to rearrange anyone's birth chart according to any arbitrary notion, nor cast doubt on it, but to point to the deeper astrological reality. I can't help thinking like a birth chart rectifier with these queries since that is my specialty. So I know my contribution here steers things a bit off the course of your inquiry and I'll keep from rambling too long.

If you accept common practice and popular astrology concepts as gospel truth a lot I say will seem oddly off — until you get used to watching me strip some of those concepts down to their skivvies and reveal nature's real astrology. Some popular notions are either just flat wrong as to the physical realities of astrology and/or they are self-serving for astrologers. I like puncturing those phony baloney balloons. Understandably, some don't like the pop!

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posted January 19, 2022 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
Hi henryhampton,
Like Kannon, I also wonder if it’s really the quincunx that is causing your struggles. You have a t-square in your birth chart with apex Moon/Mars squaring your Jupiter/Chiron and Uranus/Neptune. A t-square is known for causing tension, especially to the apex planets. Aries is not an easy placement for Moon and I think Uranus probably contributes to an erratic energy when it comes to your emotions. The aspect Moon square Uranus is not very tight (orb 4 degrees) but tight enough to have impact and also part of an aspect pattern so probably more dominant than the quincunx aspect. A little fun additional information is that a quincunx is also known as an aspect that is Uranian in nature because of the erratic energy. Maybe you could a little bit more into the t-square and Moon square Uranus aspect for more insights.

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T-square might have its influence but I didn't come here for the t-square. I came here for the Quincunx, which I know without a doubt I have.

posted January 19, 2022 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
henry,

Understand that as odd as some of my assertions seem, that is how odd some of what you're saying seems to me against the backdrop of your birth chart. But you just started posting here, so maybe there's something I'm missing.

I've been studying since 1996 and have been a professional astrologer for over two decades. My specialty is birth chart verification and rectification. So I have a particular sensitivity to matters of the Ascendant and planetary aspects to it, as well as the realities of in mundi rotation.

I'm a leader in astrological thought and follow what nature shows that astrology is and does. So yes, much of what I say is odd when viewed against the backdrop of standard astrological thinking. Doesn't mean it's not real and true.

You are quite articulate about what you feel and I can tell have a certain core of intuition. With astrology that is good, but we must also have the necessary definitions of how astrology actually functions rather than be dependent on a computer program written by someone else, and on what is repeated most often within astrological echo chambers, and dependent upon a single piece of medical record written by imperfect humans.

The Ascendant must be in question for the Moon quincunx to be in doubt. What you mean is "definitely not the [b]sign on the Asc." I'll take your word for it since you are the one who knows yourself best.

The declinations are strange enough for most astrologers, yet as you've already witnessed, I've brought awareness of them to this forum and people have learned from it. I started with declinations in other forums years ago when even seasoned astrologers would respond at times with denial and anger. Since then, many have taken the time to look into the declinations and learn their importance.

The planetary principle of astrology is Uranus (in the 1st house of my birth chart) and it is very much known for its oddness and unusual knowledge or skills. As an example of that, I often precisely reverse engineer people's birth charts when they post them data-scrubbed in the forums. It allows me to more intelligently answer questions they pose. (I don't reveal their concealed data, of course.) Here is a specific example: http://www.lindagoodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/243166-2.html

Speaking of declinations, that is where the answers to the most common discrepancies of rising sign/Asc are found. Many a person with Libra rising and Pluto conjunct/parallel Asc seem quite Scorpio-like. Same with some older Virgo risers with Pluto conjunct/parallel Asc. The planetary principle always is stronger in aspect than its corresponding sign.

It is quite common for those whose time of record suggests the Asc should be in an early degree of a rising sign to actually be the personality of the prior rising sign. The chart would need the Asc adjusted back into that prior sign to be accurate. Same holds true for some situations with Asc late sign & adjustment to early next sign. I've helped a number of people with this here because some people rightly notice they do not at all fit their supposed rising sign. Maybe some will come out of the woodwork and talk about it. Maybe ask charlie.

While medical documents are the standard we expect for an 'official' record of birth time, they can be inaccurate to varying degrees. Most birth chart Ascendants are at least 2° off (enough to knock out that Moon quincunx to your Asc). I have a number of clients who were or are nurses. Some of them have given me the inside scoop on recording of birth times: it is wildly variable across hospitals, regions, and attending staffs. The health of baby and mother and various regulations and procedures take priority. One nurse has told me that birth times are often written down well after the delivery, whether 10 minutes or hours later, and there is lot of estimation involved (which can still be pretty accurate). The point is, medical documentation is not necessarily as accurate on b.t. as its officialness would imply. The tendency is for the time to be written as later than it should be for an accurate chart.

Then, there's the metaphysical nature of the birth process. I've got an article or two on my website explaining more of that.

My purpose is not to rearrange anyone's birth chart according to any arbitrary notion, nor cast doubt on it, but to point to the deeper astrological reality. I can't help thinking like a birth chart rectifier with these queries since that is my specialty. So I know my contribution here steers things a bit off the course of your inquiry and I'll keep from rambling too long.

If you accept common practice and popular astrology concepts as gospel truth a lot I say will seem oddly off — until you get used to watching me strip some of those concepts down to their skivvies and reveal nature's real astrology. Some popular notions are either just flat wrong as to the physical realities of astrology and/or they are self-serving for astrologers. I like puncturing those phony baloney balloons. Understandably, some don't like the pop!

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posted January 24, 2022 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
henry,

Understand that as odd as some of my assertions seem, that is how odd some of what you're saying seems to me against the backdrop of your birth chart. But you just started posting here, so maybe there's something I'm missing.

I've been studying since 1996 and have been a professional astrologer for over two decades. My specialty is birth chart verification and rectification. So I have a particular sensitivity to matters of the Ascendant and planetary aspects to it, as well as the realities of in mundi rotation.

I'm a leader in astrological thought and follow what nature shows that astrology is and does. So yes, much of what I say is odd when viewed against the backdrop of standard astrological thinking. Doesn't mean it's not real and true.

You are quite articulate about what you feel and I can tell have a certain core of intuition. With astrology that is good, but we must also have the necessary definitions of how astrology actually functions rather than be dependent on a computer program written by someone else, and on what is repeated most often within astrological echo chambers, and dependent upon a single piece of medical record written by imperfect humans.

The Ascendant must be in question for the Moon quincunx to be in doubt. What you mean is "definitely not the [b]sign on the Asc." I'll take your word for it since you are the one who knows yourself best.

The declinations are strange enough for most astrologers, yet as you've already witnessed, I've brought awareness of them to this forum and people have learned from it. I started with declinations in other forums years ago when even seasoned astrologers would respond at times with denial and anger. Since then, many have taken the time to look into the declinations and learn their importance.

The planetary principle of astrology is Uranus (in the 1st house of my birth chart) and it is very much known for its oddness and unusual knowledge or skills. As an example of that, I often precisely reverse engineer people's birth charts when they post them data-scrubbed in the forums. It allows me to more intelligently answer questions they pose. (I don't reveal their concealed data, of course.) Here is a specific example: http://www.lindagoodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/243166-2.html

Speaking of declinations, that is where the answers to the most common discrepancies of rising sign/Asc are found. Many a person with Libra rising and Pluto conjunct/parallel Asc seem quite Scorpio-like. Same with some older Virgo risers with Pluto conjunct/parallel Asc. The planetary principle always is stronger in aspect than its corresponding sign.

It is quite common for those whose time of record suggests the Asc should be in an early degree of a rising sign to actually be the personality of the prior rising sign. The chart would need the Asc adjusted back into that prior sign to be accurate. Same holds true for some situations with Asc late sign & adjustment to early next sign. I've helped a number of people with this here because some people rightly notice they do not at all fit their supposed rising sign. Maybe some will come out of the woodwork and talk about it. Maybe ask charlie.

While medical documents are the standard we expect for an 'official' record of birth time, they can be inaccurate to varying degrees. Most birth chart Ascendants are at least 2° off (enough to knock out that Moon quincunx to your Asc). I have a number of clients who were or are nurses. Some of them have given me the inside scoop on recording of birth times: it is wildly variable across hospitals, regions, and attending staffs. The health of baby and mother and various regulations and procedures take priority. One nurse has told me that birth times are often written down well after the delivery, whether 10 minutes or hours later, and there is lot of estimation involved (which can still be pretty accurate). The point is, medical documentation is not necessarily as accurate on b.t. as its officialness would imply. The tendency is for the time to be written as later than it should be for an accurate chart.

Then, there's the metaphysical nature of the birth process. I've got an article or two on my website explaining more of that.

My purpose is not to rearrange anyone's birth chart according to any arbitrary notion, nor cast doubt on it, but to point to the deeper astrological reality. I can't help thinking like a birth chart rectifier with these queries since that is my specialty. So I know my contribution here steers things a bit off the course of your inquiry and I'll keep from rambling too long.

If you accept common practice and popular astrology concepts as gospel truth a lot I say will seem oddly off — until you get used to watching me strip some of those concepts down to their skivvies and reveal nature's real astrology. Some popular notions are either just flat wrong as to the physical realities of astrology and/or they are self-serving for astrologers. I like puncturing those phony baloney balloons. Understandably, some don't like the pop!

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posted January 24, 2022 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

Speaking of declinations, that is where the answers to the most common discrepancies of rising sign/Asc are found. Many a person with Libra rising and Pluto conjunct/parallel Asc seem quite Scorpio-like. Same with some older Virgo risers with Pluto conjunct/parallel Asc. The planetary principle always is stronger in aspect than its corresponding sign.

It is quite common for those whose time of record suggests the Asc should be in an early degree of a rising sign to actually be the personality of the prior rising sign. The chart would need the Asc adjusted back into that prior sign to be accurate. Same holds true for some situations with Asc late sign & adjustment to early next sign. I've helped a number of people with this here because some people rightly notice they do not at all fit their supposed rising sign. Maybe some will come out of the woodwork and talk about it.

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*Raises hand*
Kanon really helped me to understand why my supposed libra rising has scorpio features, it's because it parallels Pluto in declination.

posted January 27, 2022 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
*Raises hand*
Kanon really helped me to understand why my supposed libra rising has scorpio features, it's because it parallels Pluto in declination.

I hope I read more about the declination subject when I have free time.. I think most astrologers neglect it's importance.

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posted January 28, 2022 04:06 PM            

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Yes, I feel this too often. Remedies?

I've really taken a look at the Lilith, Pluto, Juno fairly close to the ascendant (at least enough to potentially cause detrimental outcome). These would be issues with my identity since they're in the 1st (including Pluto, which is an extremely intense placement)

Coupled with a lot of other observed or even contemplated aspects would lead me to believe that this is a crisis for me. I'm talking about other hard aspects on top of this Moon Qcx Asc.

Some off of the top of my head are:

Venus opposition Pluto/Juno/Lilith
Sun Square Moon
Moon Conjunct Mars
Asc Square MC
Moon Square Neptune/Uranus
Moon Sesquiquadrate Pluto
Idk if Saturn would play a role in this either? I'm just trying to list things that I think would contribute.
Moon Quintile Saturn
Sun Qcx Saturn
I also have Asc. Square NN
Asc. Qcx Mars

posted January 29, 2022 08:36 AM            

I personally don't think that the inconjunct aspect is all that problematic. Not as much as the square or the opposition.

In this case, Mars rules the Asc/Moon. So hot emotions are not an issue when looking at the two. Both Sco and Aries are about "keeping it real". And are not apologetic about their strong emotions. This especially with Pluto also in 1st.

I would look closer at Venus in Tau in 7th. Is it opposing the Asc? Because that is where the reluctance to accept ones emotions as not being "valid".

Tau doesn't like earthquakes.The opp of Ven to Pluto suggests that you may suppress the Pluto emotions and project them on others(that's the connection) i.e. you may attract or be attracted to partners with hot hot hot emotions and extreme temperaments.

Nep/Jup are in opp and both square Mars in "me first" Aries. Do you see the repeat theme here? You suppress the fiery part of yourself. Or are disillusioned about how to express yourself best without "hurting" others because your feelings can be so intense and evoke inner "violence".

Maybe you see yourself as a "passifist"? So the Mars in Aries makes it hard to be that because your nature can be flaming red underneath all that. So you may come across to others as "passive aggressive".

Is Chiron also squaring Mars? If so, this is once again a suppression of Mars energy. A dissociation with Mars. Another indication of either attracting bullies or being the bully. The suppression of Mars may may you look "tame" to others. And some chancers can take advantage.

LET GO of those strong emotions.Express! Allow yourself to feel and forgive yourself for being angry.

With North Node in Aqua in the Ic, you may have grown up in an environment where there was distancing from "self" emotions. It was NOT about you. But about others. About the group- whether this is "group" in terms of family/ siblings/ neighbourhood etc.

So emotions-especially those of anger/passion were simply frowned upon. They were perhaps deemed "destabilizing" or "childish " and therefore dismissed? Like you threw a tantrum as a toddler and your parents looked the other way?

So the Asc in Sco is encouraging you to "rise" (hence the rising sign)to your feelings. Acknowledge that you are entitled to feel for yourself. Its not "selfishness". Its being an individual. And its necessary. Moon in "eternal toddler " Aries is the cosmic mark that reiterates that.

If you continue acting "above" your emotions and suppressing them or "judging" them as being too "savage" tp express, you will develop Mars related diseases (Marsin 6th house Aries).

So diseases related to heat like boils, acne,heartburn, migraines,stomach ulcers(Moon in Aries),blood related illnesses etc. May plague you.

Another possibility is that you may get into heat related accidents i.e. fire incidences. Or maybe get yourself cut with sharp objects like needles/knives etc.

It is also a possibility that Mars in Aries may be required to do an invasive operation involving a scalpel/blood transfusion etc.

posted January 29, 2022 04:41 PM            

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The interesting thing in your case is that Mars rules the Asc/Moon and Mars.

I personally don't think that the inconjunct aspect is all that problematic. Not as much as the square or the opposition.

In this case, Mars rules the Asc/Moon. So hot emotions are not an issue when looking at the two. Both Sco and Aries are about "keeping it real". And are not apologetic about their strong emotions. This especially with Pluto also in 1st.

I would look closer at Venus in Tau in 7th. Is it opposing the Asc? Because that is where the reluctance to accept ones emotions as not being "valid".

Tau doesn't like earthquakes.The opp of Ven to Pluto suggests that you may suppress the Pluto emotions and project them on others(that's the connection) i.e. you may attract or be attracted to partners with hot hot hot emotions and extreme temperaments.

Nep/Jup are in opp and both square Mars in "me first" Aries. Do you see the repeat theme here? You suppress the fiery part of yourself. Or are disillusioned about how to express yourself best without "hurting" others because your feelings can be so intense and evoke inner "violence".

Maybe you see yourself as a "passifist"? So the Mars in Aries makes it hard to be that because your nature can be flaming red underneath all that. So you may come across to others as "passive aggressive".

Is Chiron also squaring Mars? If so, this is once again a suppression of Mars energy. A dissociation with Mars. Another indication of either attracting bullies or being the bully. The suppression of Mars may may you look "tame" to others. And some chancers can take advantage.

LET GO of those strong emotions.Express! Allow yourself to feel and forgive yourself for being angry.

With North Node in Aqua in the Ic, you may have grown up in an environment where there was distancing from "self" emotions. It was NOT about you. But about others. About the group- whether this is "group" in terms of family/ siblings/ neighbourhood etc.

So emotions-especially those of anger/passion were simply frowned upon. They were perhaps deemed "destabilizing" or "childish " and therefore dismissed? Like you threw a tantrum as a toddler and your parents looked the other way?

So the Asc in Sco is encouraging you to "rise" (hence the rising sign)to your feelings. Acknowledge that you are entitled to feel for yourself. Its not "selfishness". Its being an individual. And its necessary. Moon in "eternal toddler " Aries is the cosmic mark that reiterates that.

If you continue acting "above" your emotions and suppressing them or "judging" them as being too "savage" tp express, you will develop Mars related diseases (Marsin 6th house Aries).

So diseases related to heat like boils, acne,heartburn, migraines,stomach ulcers(Moon in Aries),blood related illnesses etc. May plague you.

Another possibility is that you may get into heat related accidents i.e. fire incidences. Or maybe get yourself cut with sharp objects like needles/knives etc.

It is also a possibility that Mars in Aries may be required to do an invasive operation involving a scalpel/blood transfusion etc.

EMBRACE YOUR MARS!!

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posted January 30, 2022 04:43 AM            

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Lol. "Embrace your Mars." I really appreciate the sentiment, friends, but know this; trust me when I say that I've faced the consequences of expressing "honesty." You can ask a lot of people on here what happens when people "delete" others for "truthfulness." It has happened several times to me on this site. Me being honest just creates chaos, because true honesty is raw, unfiltered, and potentially catastrophic. I came here for solutions to my inner turmoil. Not to raise living utter Hell on humanity once more. What would I have if to live for if everything I've left is burned to the ground?

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I always think that our fear of anger is larger than the actual expression of it.

Venus in Tau in 7th desires peace. Aqua Ic in Aqua may suggest that there were many changes in childhood? Or a lack of stability?So the Dsc in Tau may sway u to partners that bring that sense of peace. 🙏🏿

But peace without first addressing the self and being honest,is like putting a pretty bandate over a bullet wound and hoping the blood will not surface 🤷🏿‍♂️

The irony is ofcourse (as you may have discovered) is that the partners may surface these angry feelings within the said "stable" relationships you want. Thus forcing you to face Pluto again 🙆🏿‍♂️

Do you know what is on the other of "hell"? Heaven. The other side of anger/ hurt/resentment/frustration is letting go and finding inner peace.Its inevitable, love always wins. And with Tau Dsc YOU are the oasis you yearn for in the hot desert. NOT the partner 😶

The difference between truth expressed with love and someone "raising hell" can be told apart. And that is key.One tends to incite rage whilst the former illuminates to a point where the truth cannot be denied. Its the "aha" people have. It never hurts. It intrigues.

I dont think its Pluto's aim(in your house 1) to cause havoc. But it is its intent to squeeze out the puss from the wound. To see "what lies beneath" that needs healing before surface restoration reflects the authenticity within. That makes sense.

Truth enlightens. And i mean that quite literally.It lightens the body. Fear/ lies and suppression require "effort" to mantain.They exhaust the body and age it.

Pluto's purpose imo is not about being a "villain".Its to supply more information about a current circumstance that makes "judgement" unnecessary. When an individual is aware of the cause,the outcome is not judged. Because the person recognizes that one is connected to the other. Inextricably indivisible.

When highly evolved,Pluto can teach us forgiveness too(Pluto is the esoteric ruler of Pisces) as it requires us to look beyond "what is". To recognize the painful symptom of something -instead of being disgusted by the outcome.

So with Pluto in 1st,the cosmos gave you the detective soul.You are encouraged to dig through the rif raff and connect the dots.To "DETECT".Question your reservation to your passionate feelings. Interogate yourself (Pluto in 1st house of the self). Survey your inner nature and progressively accept the proverbial "devil" within.

Its not all going to be pretty. There are parts of you that you will not like or "approve" of. Well atleast initially. But nevertheless the love will come through for yourself because even those parts are authentically YOU.

Perhaps you have been mantaining a certain image that is "comfortable" ? Maybe that is where the fear is comimg from? That people may not like who you really are underneath the velvet facade?

If that is so,then perhaps this is notso much a question of "I cant deal with my strong emotions because they might upset others". But more " I dont like myself because this self because it contradicts the status qou version that others expect that helps them accept me"?

So (when extended) its not so much about other people that you are afraid to disappoint.But how their perceptions refect back on you?

Do you love yourself enough to not care? Or are you still relying on how others love you to approve of you? That is crucial to answer. And Pluto will always bring that tp tue surface.

People tend to accept people based off of how accepting that person is of themselves. In other words,when you dont "apologize" for you, nobody else will feel a need to and accept you "as is". Because you love all of you.

When I suggested that you "embrace your Mars". I dont mean that you must go out and buy a gun(although your Mars will really like that 🤣 . But I mean allow yourself to present yourself "as is" and unapologetically so.

posted January 30, 2022 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I always think that our fear of anger is larger than the actual expression of it.

Venus in Tau in 7th desires peace. Aqua Ic in Aqua may suggest that there were many changes in childhood? Or a lack of stability?So the Dsc in Tau may sway u to partners that bring that sense of peace. 🙏🏿

But peace without first addressing the self and being honest,is like putting a pretty bandate over a bullet wound and hoping the blood will not surface 🤷🏿‍♂️

The irony is ofcourse (as you may have discovered) is that the partners may surface these angry feelings within the said "stable" relationships you want. Thus forcing you to face Pluto again 🙆🏿‍♂️

Do you know what is on the other of "hell"? Heaven. The other side of anger/ hurt/resentment/frustration is letting go and finding inner peace.Its inevitable, love always wins. And with Tau Dsc YOU are the oasis you yearn for in the hot desert. NOT the partner 😶

The difference between truth expressed with love and someone "raising hell" can be told apart. And that is key.One tends to incite rage whilst the former illuminates to a point where the truth cannot be denied. Its the "aha" people have. It never hurts. It intrigues.

I dont think its Pluto's aim(in your house 1) to cause havoc. But it is its intent to squeeze out the puss from the wound. To see "what lies beneath" that needs healing before surface restoration reflects the authenticity within. That makes sense.

Truth enlightens. And i mean that quite literally.It lightens the body. Fear/ lies and suppression require "effort" to mantain.They exhaust the body and age it.

Pluto's purpose imo is not about being a "villain".Its to supply more information about a current circumstance that makes "judgement" unnecessary. When an individual is aware of the cause,the outcome is not judged. Because the person recognizes that one is connected to the other. Inextricably indivisible.

When highly evolved,Pluto can teach us forgiveness too(Pluto is the esoteric ruler of Pisces) as it requires us to look beyond "what is". To recognize the painful symptom of something -instead of being disgusted by the outcome.

So with Pluto in 1st,the cosmos gave you the detective soul.You are encouraged to dig through the rif raff and connect the dots.To "DETECT".Question your reservation to your passionate feelings. Interogate yourself (Pluto in 1st house of the self). Survey your inner nature and progressively accept the proverbial "devil" within.

Its not all going to be pretty. There are parts of you that you will not like or "approve" of. Well atleast initially. But nevertheless the love will come through for yourself because even those parts are authentically YOU.

Perhaps you have been mantaining a certain image that is "comfortable" ? Maybe that is where the fear is comimg from? That people may not like who you really are underneath the velvet facade?

If that is so,then perhaps this is notso much a question of "I cant deal with my strong emotions because they might upset others". But more " I dont like myself because this self because it contradicts the status qou version that others expect that helps them accept me"?

So (when extended) its not so much about other people that you are afraid to disappoint.But how their perceptions refect back on you?

Do you love yourself enough to not care? Or are you still relying on how others love you to approve of you? That is crucial to answer. And Pluto will always bring that tp tue surface.

People tend to accept people based off of how accepting that person is of themselves. In other words,when you dont "apologize" for you, nobody else will feel a need to and accept you "as is". Because you love all of you.

When I suggested that you "embrace your Mars". I dont mean that you must go out and buy a gun(although your Mars will really like that 🤣 . But I mean allow yourself to present yourself "as is" and unapologetically so.

When someone upsets you. Tell them. When you disagree with someone. Engage them. When you like something, dont feign indifference. Show appreciation there and then. That is Mars in action. Forget the decorum. Act from your gut.❤

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I merely meant true honesty, and true self-expression. I don't mean to start hostility around every corner, but Mars doesn't like to hear no, especially when they know that they're right. It is a stimulated response in anger, which is true honesty. Hopefully the next life will outline the existential crisis in impossibility. I'd rather understand myself better, rather than wasting my time trying to compare 2 types of fruit. Which is why I've come on here.

Let me put it to you this way.

If you were on a special ops mission and your job was to invade an enemy's location, would you go in guns blazing or try to "blend in" with them? (think like them, get inside their heads, understand them)

It's a decision between suicide and survival.