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Dervish
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posted June 01, 2009 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Anyone know any good meditations or whatever to meet "the you that could've been"?

I've been reflecting on how very different I'd been had something happened differently. And I'm just burning with curiosity to know what I'd be like and what we'd think of each other (and how our lives turned out) if we could meet.

I know it's weird, but I'd really like to do something besides idly wonder...anyone heard anything on how to do something like this?

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katatonic
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posted June 01, 2009 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
dervish there's a man named burt goldman ("the american monk") who does courses in accessing other dimensions - so to speak - one of them teaches just that. don't remember how much it costs but i had a free trial. he talks about parallel universes and takes you into alpha or beyond where you can meet any version of you you choose...its called quantum jumping and you can probably find quantumjumping.com on the web...quite interesting.

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pidaua
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posted June 01, 2009 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
That is a very valid thought. I have wondered about that from time to time but I believe everything happens for a reason.

If I had not married my ex-husband, I would not have moved to Maryland. If I had not divorced him, I would not have gotten engaged to the idiot I call a$$face.

If I had not gotten engaged, moved to AZ and broke up with him, I may not have joined the Elks Lodge.

If I had not joined the Elks Lodge, I may never have met the love of my life- Bear the Leo


The journey has had complications but I won the prize and I am thankful for those mis-steps. I thank God every day for having the life I do and being married to my twin soul

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MyVirgoMask
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posted June 01, 2009 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
"I would not have gotten engaged to the idiot I call a$$face."


Sorry, that sentence just cracked me up.

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted June 01, 2009 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
i think about it all the time. like the butterfly effect. If i had done / not done this or that how would this or that be now. so many different scenarios. sometimes its like we are actors in a play on our life and you can sit back and look at it like a spectator and things can be so predictable. it is really odd to look at it like that. or like a sims game only it is our reality but someone elses sims game.

i think merlin talked about looking at your life as if it were being played backwards from an old person to the person you are now, and everything either taking you towards the end person you imagine or away from it. as if living your life in reverse in your mind will better the outcome or shall i say, make it more like what you want it to be. i am quite sure i didn't explain it well at all, but the words and thoughts are hard to connect to convey the thought process. it is a very interesting theory though.

since i do think like that, i think it is easier to move toward my goals though and make decisions that will enable me to look back with pleasure and not regret in years to come, with goals realized.

some things are fated and meant to happen, but had we made other choices, perhaps a much different fate was behind door number two.

VERY interesting subject.

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koiflower
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posted June 01, 2009 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
I highly recommend high-tech meditation. It's short cuts the brain's development into meditative states. Instead of taking years to train the brain into such states, high-tech meditation can lead you there in a matter of 20-30 minutes.

I recommend Holosync. Go to Centrepoint.com to discover more.

Their system is a gradual developement to build the brain through the phases to higher levels. You will be led to a deep meditative state to begin with. As you progress through each level, the technology can lead you to deeper and more mature states of meditation.

It works on hertz and frequency, as well as your own subliminal positive affirmation. You own positive affirmations are added at level 1, after the introductory level.

The technology works by creating vibrations against your eardrum, which stilmulates a physical change in your brain - more connections (pathways) are made within your brain. This system also creates additional production of DHEA - an amazing chemical process that naturally takes place in the body for optimum health.

There is an element of risk with ANY meditation. As one grows in self-acutalisation and awareness, the immediate world around them may start to feel uncomfortable - like growing out of an old favourite vest. Just be prepared to make huge changes in your paradigms - the way you view the world.

There is another option too. It's through Learning Startegies. Their positive affirmation cds are aobut $30.00USD and are worth starting off with. They use Holosync's audio technolgy which is a leading and superior sound system. (Apparently, Hollywood are after it).

These cds are fun to listen to. They're designed for left brain and right brain stimulation. They're wacky and amazing to listen to. Highly entertaining and a great place to start to gear the brain up for a physical change.

Good luck!!

EDIT - sorry, I just noticed "to meet the one". Ummm, become the person you want your soulmate to desire. Become a warm, loving, caring soul. Get out and engage in the world. Embrace all things important. Show you are a person with priorities - someone who has integrity. Be dynamic and stand out from the mediocre crowd.

'The one' will be out there, but as they say, you have to kiss a few toads first. You could be anywhere, the day your eyes lock. If Fate favours you, or you have the desire and capacity to be with them, then it will happen.

Aim for the stars!!!

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted June 01, 2009 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
odd. i take DHEA as a supplement to regulate my hormones. maybe the meditation can negate the need. thanks koi.

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koiflower
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posted June 01, 2009 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Hey cew!!! I've missed you! When's the wedding! I can't seem to get my answer right for Dervish today. Still feeling weird from yesterday's anesthetic. But hey, I have the day off today - Yippee!

Holosync is quite an expensive way to go, but I figure it's an investment in my health and it takes 6 years to complete all courses. DHEA capsule form is probably a cheaper option.

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koiflower
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posted June 01, 2009 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
p.s. cew - CoQ10 is another great natural enzyme to take as well. It comes in capsule form. It's an amazing antioxidant. DHEA and CoQ10 are the way to go for great health.

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katatonic
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posted June 02, 2009 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
anyway dervish, i think it's a great idea. and in fact you can meet the you who has accomplished any number of things you can't figure out. and get advice on how they did it. or just talk. the burt goldman thing is a great intro, helps you go to "level" fast and like i said, i got a free trial. also he offers a complete money back guarantee for up to a year, no questions asked, and he is honest as far as i have seen.

i would be interested to know how you feel about the meeting if you get there! i have found it fascinating.

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted June 02, 2009 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
have you actually done this kat? i mean i have thought about it a lot, but never heard anyone actually being able to do it.

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katatonic
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posted June 02, 2009 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
as the man himself points out, whether you are actually meeting a you who lives in an alternate universe, or a you who is deep inside you, is probably impossible to know for sure...but yes, i have visited with an alternate self; i haven't taken it as far as the program suggests but got some interesting insights. the hard part is finding the time when i'm not too tired to stay awake, so i feel it could be taken further....

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GypseeWind
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posted June 02, 2009 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
I think about this sort of thing alot. It reminds me of that movie 'sliding doors' with Gwneth Paltrow.

I often wonder, if I would not have gotten pregnant, then gotten married (I know backwards) then I probably would be an artist living alone in a loft in Soho.....

dreaming of being a married lady with children???? It's hard to say.

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted June 02, 2009 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
gypsee - your from ohio right? you did it in the right order.

resume thread.

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted June 02, 2009 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
kat - reading the information now, burt goldman. RIVITING!

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katatonic
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posted June 02, 2009 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i would have to warn that some of his programs are better than others. i really like this quantum jumping one. he is an old student of paramahansa yoga, jose silva, and a lot of other people who pioneered popularizing expanding your consciousness...and pretty cute for 80-something too!!

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Dervish
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posted June 03, 2009 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the suggestions.

I looked up that Burt guy and found him on YT. This struck me as particularly inspirational:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glv8YEqtSWc&feature=related

That reminded me of an experiment I did years ago when I was learning about the occult that was one of those that made me change my mind about magic just being a "psychological boost." My memory is vague & I don't want to go on forever about it, so I'll just say if anyone is interested in this guy's technique, I bet you'd also enjoy the commentary & exercises in the books Prometheus Rising and Quantum Psychology by Robert Anton Wilson (read Prometheus Rising first).

Anyway, instead of envisioning myself wealthy, I can "attune" to someone with "the road not taken" to see if I can increase my awareness "across quantum divisions." Maybe it will inspire dreams, or astral travel, or even be like that one time when I--who didn't believe that I had any past lives--spontaneously recalled multiple past lives in vivid detail (though it mostly faded, like a dream, though I still recall some of it). At the very least, just have inspiration in figuring out what I'd have been like.

It just teases my mind.

(One that haunts me is how I formed a mindset that's been repeated when I made my own breakfast at 5 years old. But had I fallen off the chair I balanced on, I probably would've had a very different mindset & life. Maybe if such an "alternate self" exists I can send forth some of my "personal vibes" to her...heh.)

The version of myself that was close to being the way I was probably would've never heard of Linda Goodman (though I don't know that for sure...). I think I'd still be me overall, but I'd have such a different context for measuring life with, and some things would've just happened differently for sure. I wouldn't be on the net now in all likelihood, nor would I be anywhere as "cosmopolitan" as I am now (I'm not sure I'm using the word right, but I mean I'd have a lot less exposure to people & life than I have). I think I'd have been happy, though, at least just as good as I am now. Not that I regret losing that, just I am so intensely curious.

I also just got inspired to try such an exercise of myself as a GUY. Maybe in some alternate universe I was born with a Y-chromosome. What WOULD I be like? It makes me laugh, but kinda scares me to think about...and intrigues me to no end, making me intensely curious about that, too. And if the connection is REALLY good, maybe we can help each other understand the other sex more.

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katatonic
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posted June 03, 2009 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
ah yes, robert anton wilson. a man far ahead of his time for sure! i can see how the two would resonate. thanks for the reminder/tip-off!

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pidaua
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posted June 03, 2009 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
MVM.. Hee hee.. yes, it is funny.. and sadly, yes he was an a$$face... But he has supplied with many of punchlines

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Lyra
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posted June 04, 2009 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lyra     Edit/Delete Message
For me, there IS no "I that could've been". I don't know why - maybe I have a really strong sense of who I am, I always had my creativity in my bones, I knew I was an extremely strong-willed individual with my own way of doing things, I knew I wanted to be an artist, and I knew I wanted to sing and make CDs and do fashion, and I know I am feminine and love to love and be loved, and because of that knowledge, those things have come about in my life. I don't say I have necessarily been able to enjoy these activities on a constant basis (certainly love is not always predictable), but I do make sure I am not deprived of these elements.
I also made a pact with myself some years ago never to regret my actions. I like the Doctor Dolittle quote: "I do all the wrong things. But in the end I get there."
I also accept my limitations and I realize that focusing on my own goals, instead of who other people want me to be, is the key to true happiness. I'm not searching to be anybody else. I am satisfied with the fact I'm reasonably intelligent, but not particularly academic, for example.

At 35, I am the person I wanted to be at 15, and yeah, I am content with that fact.

Love,

Lyra

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Deux*Antares
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posted June 04, 2009 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message
Got the QuantumJumping program two days ago and finished listening to it just now. Very interesting! The premise is that you can ask for advice and guidance from your other self/selves (preferably wiser or more successful version of you)... The advice or guidance you get can be used to solve your problems or issues. I have to program myself a bit and hopefully get results in a week or two.

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Dervish
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posted June 04, 2009 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
I'm glad for you Lyra. As for me, I'm actually far better at 26 than I imagined I'd be when I was 15. Actually, I have a real hard time believing my life could've been any better than what it is now (the best I can think of is "just as good, only in a more limited way").

I'm not wondering out of regret, I'm wondering simply out of curiosity.

For me, I also have used sheer will to make who I am, yet I see that what others do has far more an impact than I do. I can slip and slide the way I want, but I can't control what others do--and many times more so when I was still a kid.

One thing that could've happened is that while I was still with Granny, Mom could've died (especially as Dad tried killing her at least twice during the divorce), and that wouldn't have anything to do with my sheer will, but WOULD have greatly changed my life. If that had happened, then I never would've runaway (and my best friend of that later time might not have had the courage to runaway by herself and might still be alive today, for all I know). So I'd never become streetwise, and learn that what goes on in Third World countries also goes on quite frequently in the good ol' USA (but we're not supposed to notice). I never would've traveled from TX-CA, which was a major life shaping experience for me, would've never found the people I did who radically changed the course of my life (and also exposed me to Linda Goodman, btw). I wouldn't have gained the training & experiences I did and become who I am as a result.

And I got to thinking about that while talking with someone else about how sheltered this guy felt next to me. As I pointed out to him, I was raised real similar to him (my 'rents were far more dysfunctional, but still...) for the most part UNTIL my parents divorce set up a chain of events that changed my life radically, at first for the worst and then for the better.

And what if I hadn't been exposed to the harsh life? Would I have a perspective more like his? Hard to say. Especially that the most likely divergence that would've prevented my being exposed to some very negative aspects of life would've actually meant that I spent my teen years in a very small East Texas town living with my granny instead (and expect I'd still be there today). And actually, despite a lot of people who made trouble for me there, I was actually happy there, and was extremely close to my cousin (Zack, but I liked to call him Zeke in making fun of his redneck ways). So I'd actually be more redneck (*) than like the sheltered guy, though far more sheltered than I am today(**).

(*This isn't to imply the caricature or stereotype. While I suppose the song "Redneck Woman" by Gretchen Wilson very easily could've described who I'd have become, I was always free spirited and tolerant, not to mention casually blasphemous toward fundies who gave me a hard time, feeling more curious than threatened by those who were different.

And I believe--careful now, this is getting confusing talking about alternate time lines merging--that had redneck-me met me-me, she'd be as fascinated by the meeting as I'd be, and have very mixed feelings about how our lives differed, since she'd envy most of my experiences that shaped who I am now, but would hate to have faced the trauma I endured in having those experiences. Redneck-me might have children that she couldn't imagine living without, too. OTOH, whose to say redneck-me wouldn't have had her own traumatic experiences? Heck, she could be dead by now for all I know. What irony!)

(**I'd probably still have been less sheltered than the sheltered guy all the same despite being raised in that small town. After all, at 14 I went to my first kegger, shot my first gun, was exposed to porn for the first time, did shroom tea, smoked pot for the first time, and a bunch of other similar stuff in that "God fearing town" which makes me wonder what a local preacher was worried about over me, from the outskirts of Houston, corrupting THEM & their small town values. )

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katatonic
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posted June 04, 2009 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
lyra it's not a matter of regretting anything. but, for instance, should you decide you want to be an airline hostess, you could get advice from an alternate you who IS an airline hostess, about how she came to achieve that. (not saying you would want to!!)

personally i find the concept of parallel universes fascinating and am only too sure there are other choices i could make if it struck my fancy. this guy illustrates his own mastery of painting, singing, etc, things he has never done before or considered in his "line of possibility" however he consulted his own alternate self and got some very valuable advice which enabled him to learn these things VERY QUICKLY...

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posted June 05, 2009 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cauldronkitty     Edit/Delete Message
This is a very hard subject to think about. I don't know if I could meet another me that made different choices... one me could still be in a cult now, believing that putting in 60-90 hrs a month trying to convert people would make a difference...yet the me that I'm most afraid of seeing would be the one that took chances and risks that I think maybe I should have, but if I had then I would not have all the beings I love in my life now...

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A soul in tension that's learning to fly
Condition grounded but determined to try
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Tongue-tied and twisted just an earth-bound misfit, I~ Learning to Fly/ Pink Floyd

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posted June 05, 2009 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message
Dervish, wanting to know what would have been if you did this and that means that, internally, you doubt yourself of taking the right decision, you don't trust your own judgement. I do belive that when making certain moves, we use part of our intuition, part of our brains and part of our past experence. Trust, that what you do, is what you should, and even if it looks bad at the moment, later it will turn out to be for the best!

btw, i also have moments of doubt sometimes. In those moments, when I start questioning something major I've done, I cast a horary chart with the question - how would have been my life if i had done this or that. It's pretty telling! I even casted a horary chart when i was pondering how my life would have unfold if I didn't marry my husband. I was surprised to see what the horary chart showed me.

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