posted July 22, 2010 08:39 AM         

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The minute Valus says something it's a problem

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Yup. How dare he?!?!?!?!

posted July 22, 2010 08:50 AM         

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posted July 22, 2010 10:31 AM         

Y'all couldn't hear the sarcasm dripping from his voice?

What was the point of saying anything at all? He didn't have to come in here and post, and he chose to, so keep it pleasant. What he said was said to "poke" and get a rise out of T. It's plain as day to see.

posted July 22, 2010 10:38 AM         

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posted July 22, 2010 11:26 AM         

Why am I reacting this way? because not to long ago Absin you emailed me clearly stating your dislike for Valus and felt he should be banned.So when I see your harsh "strike" it makes me think that you couldnt wait for V to say something sothat you could get back at him.

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posted July 22, 2010 11:39 AM         

It's getting late my side of the world so ja happy thoughts.Jamer Yin

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posted July 22, 2010 11:44 AM         

I dislike the way he communicates towards people when they disagree with him. He's condecending and verbally abusive towards them.

I emailed you privately, suggesting that you come and close or move some highly argumentative posts. And that others have been removed for the same type of behaviour. I didn't say I disliked him, I said I dislike the way he treats people when they disagree with him.

I've never claimed to be perfect.

And did I say boo to the Resistance post by Valus? No, I didn't. In fact, if you'll re-read it, I read the post and commented on it, because I enjoyed the article and I was glad that he had shared it.

Does this sound like someone with a vendetta to you?

All I suggested was that he should be mindful of his speech, and this was a warning.

posted July 22, 2010 12:01 PM         

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posted July 22, 2010 12:51 PM         

I really don't want to keep coming back to this thread. A post from me is not an excuse for everyone to start talking about me and making it about me. That makes it very hard for me to turn the other cheek. I laughed (MFAO) because something about this thread seemed pretty ironic to me. I start threads, that's what I do. Once in a while, I'll post an opinion on someone else's thread. If it's somebody I dislike, usually I'm posting because the thread was CLEARLY started with me in mind and with the intention to provoke me or to provoke a subversive conversation about what a bad apple I am. You can say I'm delusional to think that, but, if you look around honestly, you'll see that this is the truth. The very titles of threads and words used are lifted right from my mouth and my threads and twisted against me. I admit that I have done the same thing myself a few times. If anybody else has the integrity to admit it, I suggest you do so (Absinthe Dragonfly).

Honestly, I opened a GODZALA thread once in the past year, i think, and what I saw was people making nasty comments about me and my threads and repeating ad nauseum an unflattering word Yin had used once about GODZALA. So be it. I don't come on your threads and compare you to Darth Vadar, so do me a favor, and don't do that to me. You'll be amazed at how gentle I become when you aren't calling me an evil dictator or a troll for standing up for animals, children, and people disenfranchised by corporate greed.

If you are honest with yourselves, you can see very clearly that I mainly start threads that interest me and end up fending off the aggressive, unconscious attempts of others to "put me in my place". These people, who won't leave me or my threads alone, presume to preach tolerance to me, telling me that I'm the one getting in people's faces and telling them to change, lol. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, this happens on threads I've started, directed at nobody in particular, and certainly not in anybody's face. I'm not forcing my views on you. If anything, you're forcing your views on me, by coming into my threads and repeating the same advice over and over again. Hypocrites.

I've asked them nicely to go away. I've thanked them for their input -- in the case of at least one person who I've thanked, she continues to post on nearly every thread of mine offering me the same advice I've thanked her for many times before. I respond with rational arguments and analogies, only to see my insights ignored, dismissed, or twisted beyond recognition. I could accept that as "par for the course", if it didnt happen over and over again. This is the very definition of "troll". And, yet, I'm called a troll when I suggest that indignation over the destruction of wildlife (by BP executives) is comparable to my own indignation over the destruction of BILLIONS of animals on factory farms, who never even got to live in the wild as nature intended. You may disagree, but that doesn't make me a troll. Especially when its only one post -- and I'm not targeting nearly every thread and nearly every post of yours. Absinthe talks about torturing BP executives, while I advise compassion. But, yeah, I'm the one who needs to understand tolerance. I see people contributing to animal genocide every day, and all I do is share my perspective on it. If anything, I'm too tolerant of the monstrosities I see. If you have a problem with my view, you have a problem with your own behavior. Stop blaming me for triggering your guilty conscience.

What else...

I've admitted guilt, fallibility, and personal dislike. Meanwhile, I'm told that I think my sh!t doesn't stink, by people who never apologize, never accept apologies, and, in some case, can't even admit to personally disliking me. So be it. I'm asking you to stay off my threads. If that makes me unpopular.. if the traffic on my threads slows down -- wonderful! I'm not a fan of sitting in traffic. And everyone I've ever deeply admired has appealed to a select few while being unpopular with the masses. To the extent that they are popular, it tends to be because they've been misunderstood.

Please don't respond with the usual bullsh!t. You have your perspective, I have mine. You don't respect me, I don't respect you. Let's leave it at that, stay off of each other's threads, and don't use your own thread to talk about me. I'm turning my back and turning my cheek, and I'd appreciate it if you don't spend the next three pages focusing on my worst qualities and exaggerating them until you're blue in the face. I'm sincere when I say that the intention behind this thread is a good one, and that I truly hope people take T's idea to heart. It would be one of the best things that has happened to me here.

posted July 22, 2010 12:56 PM         

Sometimes I don't open threads made by the people I like, if the topic doesn't interest me.

I thought that's what everybody does?
Guess not.

And I would open a thread by a person I didn't like, although I cannot think of any at the moment, if the topic was interesting.

posted July 22, 2010 01:01 PM         

What insult did I make, that I needed to be warned?

I laughed, I boasted a little,
and I complimented the thread.

That's what I did. No sarcasm. No insult.

I said people try to put me in my place,
and others have said the same thing.

No sarcasm. No insult.

Why don't you go read T's response to me,
and give her a warning for insulting me?

Here, I'll make it easy for you:

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Here he is everyone.

...obnoxious

...Get off your high horse

...Maybe when we are bored we'll reply to something, but know it's no use.

...Some people try and knock some sense into you once in awhile and then remember that is not going to happen and go about their business again.

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How many strikes is that, anyway?

posted July 22, 2010 01:05 PM         

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If you are honest with yourselves, you can see very clearly that I mainly start threads that interest me and end up fending off the aggressive, unconscious attempts of others to "put me in my place". These people, who won't leave me or my threads alone, presume to preach tolerance to me, telling me that I'm the one getting in people's faces and telling them to change, lol. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, this happens on threads I've started, directed at nobody in particular, and certainly not in anybody's face. I'm not forcing my views on you. If anything, you're forcing your views on me, by coming into my threads and repeating the same advice over and over again. Hypocrites.

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posted July 22, 2010 01:07 PM         

You frequently post here, when there are other places for those thoughts to go. Because you WANT the traffic, and then when you get it, and people disagree with you, you start getting mad at them, and get personal.

I'll reiterate it for you. I don't have anything against you personally.

I dislike the way you communicate with people when they disagree with your opinion.

posted July 22, 2010 01:15 PM         

You have half a point. I want the right kind of traffic. In order to reach the few people who get it, I have to weed through a hundred who don't. So, for that reason, it makes sense to post in a heavily trafficked area. But if people are just going to be trolls, I don't want their input. That's pretty easy to understand, right? Now, go find fault with somebody else. It won't be difficult.

AD,

What sarcastic comment?

Point it out IF YOU CAN.

Now, look at T's post that i quoted.

No comment? That's what I thought.

You're behaving with no integrity.

(That's an insult.)

Now, put me in my place.

Give me a warning.

posted July 22, 2010 01:21 PM         

I will reveal some NLP Tricks.

Trick 1:
Read negativity written against oneself "objectively" and as if written to another person. We simply behave as an observer reading a newspaper article.

Trick 2:
Usually, we make the mistake of "hearing the words" written in an imagined negative voice, then get all emotional and antagonistic towards the one who disagrees rudely. Avoid "hearing" the written words in a negative voice. Or substitute the angry voice with say Macaulay Culkin's voice in "Home Alone 1", there is no way you will feel upset again. You will simply disagree light heartedly.

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What if the abusively disagreeing and condescending poster has just given you 100 bucks cash to buy your book, would you feel the slightest emotional angst? Well, karmically, this is what he or she is doing on a higher level, by being wrong towards you they take off some of your karmas, thats like being a generous customer. Why feel angry towards a customer?

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posted July 22, 2010 01:29 PM         

A troll isn't a regular, well-liked contributor here. That's not the definition most people attribute to trolls.

posted July 22, 2010 01:33 PM         

This topic was posted, and going along nicely.
Then these things happened:

You CHOSE to come in here.
You CHOSE to be rude.
Now you can CHOOSE what to do from here.

If you don't care for T, that certainly is YOUR choice. HOwever, if you come into her post, and make rude comments, that's another matter entirely.

posted July 22, 2010 01:54 PM         

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Usually, we make the mistake of "hearing the words" written in an imagined negative voice, then get all emotional and antagonistic towards the one who disagrees rudely. Avoid "hearing" the written words in a negative voice. Or substitute the angry voice with say Macaulay Culkin's voice in "Home Alone 1", there is no way you will feel upset again. You will simply disagree light heartedly.

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Love all your tricks, but this one made me smile.

I'm the type of person to not get angry easily. Due to my lovely (sarcasm intended) Cancer Moon, I get emotional when people are rude. And I don't know if the fact that I'm a Virgo/Libra cusp, but I hate when things are unbalanced too.

I probably say this too much, but "can't we agree to disagree". With Valus, unless he's posting things here that shouldn't be posted here, we should move them. I think a little sarcasm is okay...we all do it. If he's blatantly harrassing someone, that's another issue. But all the above applies to all here from what I've seen in the past.

I think Valus is somewhat misunderstood. He contributes quite a lot to LL. He has beliefs that can be quite outside the box, but nothing we can't get along with. So unless he's calling me a b1tch or teasing me in someway, I'm okay with it. I've kinda decided that after the pig pic's. Sorry, but I have a photographic memory and tend to feel invaded sometimes by pic's like that in which I don't have a choice to view until they are BAM right there. But that was another resolved issue...not to dredge that up.

We all make up the great melting pot that is LL and we should all try to get along without stirring the sh1t... If you're having a bad day, take a break and don't bring it here.

Oh I am SO rambling.. sorry, didn't sleep much last night.....zzzzZZZZzzzz

posted July 22, 2010 02:10 PM         

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What was the point of saying anything at all? He didn't have to come in here and post, and he chose to, so keep it pleasant. What he said was said to "poke" and get a rise out of T. It's plain as day to see.

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So you are trying to suggest that you posting your heavily sarcastic comment, had NOTHING to do with it? Why did you even bother to respond if you couldn't do it without being rude. Maybe it was the LMFAO part that clued me in.

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This topic was posted, and going along nicely.
Then these things happened:

You CHOSE to come in here.
You CHOSE to be rude.
Now you can CHOOSE what to do from here.

If you don't care for T, that certainly is YOUR choice. HOwever, if you come into her post, and make rude comments, that's another matter entirely.

She would never have said anything like that, if you hadn't decided to mouth off first.

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