posted September 21, 2010 11:06 AM         

I didn't hear of this one before. i just looked it up

posted September 21, 2010 07:14 PM         

but glad to see dr wakefield has just got himself a really good case to help him get back on the medical register in england.

posted September 22, 2010 07:27 PM         

I definitely believe that vaccines can cause autism. Also lead poisoning can cause autistic symptoms, and that's one of the things that they rule out before diagnosing autism

Autistic traits run in families.

There are also genetic mutations that can cause autism.

We have to do our best to not lump all autistics together. Not all autistics are the same. The verbal communications vary,and so do the intelligence levels.

Not all autistics are intellectually handicapped and low functioning.

but

not all autistics will grow up to be successful,very high functioning like Dr. Temple Grandin

The Autistic spectrum is a wide spectrum.

As a neurodiversity advocate/activist, I consider both the biomed autistic perspective and the neurodiversity autistic perspective. There is major discord between these two communities. One of the things that I want Developmental Neurodiversity Association to do is to create bridges between the neurodiversity community and the biomed community.

In some ways, I can relate to autism myself. If it wasn't for special education therapies, I'd still resemble a low functioning autistic type. Now, I just resemble somebody with Aspergers.

I understand the importance of intervention therapies from my own firsthand experience, and this is something that many neurodiversity advocate/activists will disagree with me about. As somebody who fits the dual exceptional, I can see the neurodiversity advocates/activists perspective. A lot of biomed people might disagree with my views about neurodivergents aren't disordered and that a different mind is not a deficient mind. I know a biomed doctor, and he doesn't seem to consider the possibilities that neurodivergents can have strengths too.

There is new research that reveals that autistics have strengths in visual problem solving skills.

but yeah.....if vaccines cause autism, it needs to be known. People who suffer from autism because of vaccines should be compensated. We need to consider the harm that vaccines are doing to people.

What if ultrasensitive people are more likely to be effected by these vaccines just like they are more likely to have side effects from medicaions?

That would be something to consider.

Raymond

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posted September 22, 2010 10:23 PM         

raymond, i would be the first to agree with you that neurodivergents have gifts many of us do not. but if a child is "normal" before treatment and autistic afterwards i still think it is better to return them to their normal state.

of course if this child gets better she won't get so much of the money, but i'm sure she and her parents won't mind!! and perhaps the money will help her get treatment that will help other children down the road...

posted September 22, 2010 10:50 PM         

I am in 100 percent agreement with you.

I believe that acquired autism is no way near the same as genetic autism.

I doubt that vaccines would lead to having high intelligence with strong visual problem solving skills and complex thinking.

My belief is that genetic neurodivergents are pretty much people that fit with Indigo,Crystal, twice/dual exceptional personalities.

Developmental Neurodiversity Association is for only those types of people. That's why the logo is a light Indigo color Metatron Cube Brain on a dark Indigo color background. It hints at the Indigo,Crystal personality types. The acronoym, DNA suggests genetic.

I wrote the post, Genetic Neurodivergence or Acquired Neurodivergence that is about considering both the disorder view of neurodivergence and the neurodiversity view of neurodivergence. We can't treat all neurodivergents the same because they are not the same.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=131944976821905&v=app_23 73072738#!/topic.php?uid=131944976821905&topic=191

Maybe vaccines don't cause autism at all. What if vaccines cause a medical condition that mimics autism. This pseudo-autism could be the measuring stick for autism at the expense of real autistics.

Also the rise of autism can be connected to spontaneous genetic mutations. http://autism.about.com/od/causesofautism/a/newmutations.htm

Another thing to consider is that maybe a lot more autistics are being diagnosed correctly. In the past,many of them get labeled "mentally retarded" or diagnosed as having schizophrenia.

Raymond

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posted September 23, 2010 01:10 AM         

She's 18 now and will never support herself. She cant speak and constantly taps things eith her fingers. She loses herself in music and movies and grillled cheese sandwiches.

Horribly sad to lose a sister. And, yes, I did lose her.

posted September 23, 2010 02:37 AM         

I am very sorry that happened to your sister.

Stories like that are strong arguments that we need to consider how vaccines are doing more harm than good.

Heck...I don't want future children of mine being vaccinated.

Raymond

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posted September 23, 2010 11:08 AM         

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I just believe vaccine schedules should be delayed and spread out so as not to so shock little bodies.

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Moon Witch, I'm sorry this happened to your sister and you.

Keep in mind, they give little ones the same doseage that they give an adult...and 6 different diseases at a time.

When in nature does that ever happen? SIX communicable diseases at once?!?

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posted September 23, 2010 12:08 PM         

i do agree that some vaccinations are a good thing. but minimal, and there is NO reason why they need to be given all at once like that except that it saves money in the clinic - wage money for the worker who administers them. this is criminal bottom-line myopia.

when MMR first came out i remember the clinic pushing it on my daughter, but i refused. they pushed some more...what if she didn't have rubella naturally before she got pregnant? she was FOUR!! i felt that puberty was time enough to worry about that and indeed she already had the antibodies by the time she was twelve. she also had the mildest case of measles i've ever seen, we couldn't even really tell she was ill, but there was a rash that lasted a week!

yes a few kids die from measles complications, but properly nursed most do not. there is this compulsion in the medical community and at large, i think, to try to prevent all death. as if that were possible or even desirable. that may sound callous, but i am a realist. while i believe physical immortality is possible i believe it needs to be a conscious choice, and that it is unlikely EVERYONE will ever achieve it.

in the meantime i also believe these childhood diseases make us ultimately stronger and ONLY the actual disease provides lifelong immunity thereafter...