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letram
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posted November 21, 2010 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
LL is website that contains a community, thats basically no different than your local area of people and places where you live.

its really about time people stopped worrying about or wishing that "ll would be the way it used to be" as they remembered it.

here is the truth:

you're never going to get it back. (to how it once was), you may get it in line with how it was but you won't get the same community, same typical threads that once was. because TIME changes everything.

you would have to: delete all members that are more into basic astrology or and know little else, people that contribute topics that have little to do with astrology or linda goodman, delete people that don't contribute to making LL the way it was once. and you'd have to bring back all the members that contribute the material that make LL the way you want it to be.

which is simply not. going. to. happen.

so you have a few options:

stay and contribute to making LL the way you want it to be and set by example.

leave the site and find waht you want somewhere else it can be found.

or last of all, just Accept that this is where time is now, this is what LL is like. this is how the community has expanded.

you just have to accept it.

essentially what im saying is, its pointless for anyone here to make a fuss about trying to make LL like it "once was" "used to be" "what it was to me" and sentences starting with "i remember how"

its pointless.

thanks for reading, and i hope this isnt looked at as contributing more drama.

its preaching something people need to accept.

if people must make a fuss or protest, it has to be to randall the Admin here directly, not members who have just as much right and freedom to post and read what they like here.

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Randall
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posted November 21, 2010 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I actually agree with that. Well-said. There are a billion sites online. I'm the one who foots the bill here, and while we have our arguments (like any family), for the most part, I am very proud of what Lindaland has grown into. People arguing and leaving and coming back and leaving again has been going on for a decade. It's nothing new. We get a massive amount of traffic, and there are going to be conflicts. Like most of you, Lindaland is my home. I expect to be treated with respect in my home, as should everyone here. If people are unhappy here, go find a place that makes you happy. No hard feelings. I wish everyone well. Some people like feeding off drama; or else they would leave quietly and not expect a big fuss over their departure. Be happy! How do you stop the arguments? DUH! By simply to stop arguing. How do you make Lindaland a better place? One person at a time...starting with yourself. We can only control our own thoughts, feelings, and actions, no one else's.

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pire
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posted November 21, 2010 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
to be honest I agree with your analysis, time has changed and looking back, if it is with sadness, is not useful at all, unless one wants to feel sad.

but saying that speaking your mind is not useful is something different, cause sometimes it's important to voice an opinion. peace at all cost is dangerous, my libra moon is unconfortable with this truth, or if not dangerous, then yeah, unconfortable.

I cannot speak for other, but I can speak for myself, and I usually do speak my mind here even when it doesn't sit well with some. but it's more and more difficult. and if someone speaks softly in a room where everyone speaks loudly, what does he got left?

???

this place is what it is also because softer voices can be heard.

I am also responsible for the way it is. that is how I impose myself, to be louder than other! but when it gets out of hand is when clueless people start to do the same

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Lara
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posted November 21, 2010 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hear Hear. I agree!

With the exception of one small point.. a few of us have been saying for MONTHS about the gang mentality on here and IF it had been taken seriously back then and nipped in the bud (and people banned) the 3 who left today wouldn't have had to voluntarily ride out of town.

So it's worth bearing that in mind for the future. Just saying...

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woah cakes
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posted November 21, 2010 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message
well who were the people that left and were banned? purple, spanky, cheshire cat, cpn, and ??

you weren't arguing with them were you lara? except maybe purple a little bit. but i don't think they had a gang mentality towards you??

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katatonic
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posted November 21, 2010 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
and what is with the disappearing threads? are we having real glitches or are they ALL like mine was, looking for information and asking why the offensive convos were deleted? in a family yes people have fights but we don't then DELETE the fights and pretend nothing happened...families often exercise their right of denial but that is dysfunction, right?

and while i agree that things change and there is NO point in wishing them back the way they were, deleting people's objections and replies just saves the drama for another day, doesn't it? when some unsuspecting or uninformed person trips the same alarm switch?

i think, woah cakes, lara is saying the recent rash of bannings might not have happened if discipline had been used earlier, partly with the people who got into it with her..

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WinkAway
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posted November 21, 2010 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message
I guess I don't see the gang mentality to be honest. It kind of reminds me of high school. The bickering and people trying to start something or make mountains out of mohills.

I don't know who the gang consists of but I do see your typical high school type groupies. You have your bullies who always have to put a dig in here and there trying to stir up sh1t, you have your "gee I wish all the old people were back again" group making everyone else feel like sh1t for not being in that label, keep thinking there's more I'm sure. Very immature IMHO.

This is Randall's home. He should be allowed to "clean house" as he sees fit.

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Lara
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posted November 21, 2010 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I wasn't involved at all. 2 of the people were part of the gang, always stirring crap up.
Anyway, hopefully LL will turn a much needed corner now

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pire
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posted November 21, 2010 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
This is Randall's home. He should be allowed to "clean house" as he sees fit.

one day, I want to become a "Randall", so I will be always right.

note to myself, no, it would be a regression, since I don't think it's a bad thing to be wrong.

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woah cakes
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posted November 21, 2010 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message
yeah it just gets confusing, mostly due to the disappearing threads, for me.

but, i agree with what you said (re family dynamics), katatonic. within a family, discipline has to be very carefully excecuted, and take everyone's best interests to heart. i'm not sure we all have the same definition? which is part of the problem and hopefully can spark some kind of discussion, so that we can all build from this recent drama, instead of, as you said, unintentionally tripping the alarm in future.

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Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2010 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Well,Pire
If you have the smarts, saavy, character, drive, and will power it would take to run an operation of the scale of LL like Randall does, then I hope you do that.
Then, you will be the top dog as he is ----by EARNING it.

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pire
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posted November 21, 2010 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
and I will be surrounded by a$$ kisser too?

you know what an ass kisser is, ami don't you?

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Randall
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posted November 21, 2010 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I never said anything about glitches. Only one glitched (yours), and it was due to two people posting at the same exact second. If a string is just to cause drama and insult me and/or other Knowflakes with no productive purpose, then it's a violation of the rules--which is another thing that has changed here--I'm going to start enforcing the rules like they do on other discusion boards. No one here appreciates leeway; they just take advantage of it. I guess it's viewed as weakness. Play fair, or play elsewhere. No flaming allowed. Zero tolerance. And any trouble-makers I can uproot from here, the happier I am. I consider it a plus, not a minus. Just look at it this way: This is not a democracy. There's a new sheriff in town. Now, that being said, I've also been argumentative in the past (like my aggression towards AG). I apologized. And I do recognize AG's contributions here. We are two strong personalities, and we have butted heads. But I respect him. And 99 percent of the people here do treat others with respect and try to play fair. So, it's only a loud but small minority causing problems. So, most Knowflakes are not really affected by the strict enforcement of the rules. Just think before you post. Cool off. Insults are not allowed anywhere else on discussion boards, and we are going to do the same. Depending upon the offense, you will get a warning. Racist comments, libelous jabs (that can get me sued), and any illegal content will be deleted. Just treat others the way that you would want to be treated. It shouldn't be so hard. But like I said, I've also gotten caught up in a few fights myself. So, I can understand how tempers flare. But they don't flare over days. By postinhg at Lindaland, you agree to these rules. Peace out.

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letram
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posted November 21, 2010 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
its quite something and there is much to learn when you stand back away from a crowd and watch the crowd.

try it sometime folks.

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Randall
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posted November 21, 2010 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Pire, read the new enforcement of the rules below your last post. You have just been warned. You won't get a second warning. If you don't have something nice to say, then refrain from speaking/typing or giving an opinion if you can't articulate it without hurling an insult.

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Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2010 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I am not angry at you, Pire


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pire
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posted November 21, 2010 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
I suppose if I get banned because I don't lick ***** I will be proud of myself and leave happy

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pire
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posted November 21, 2010 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
ami, I didn't ask you

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letram
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posted November 21, 2010 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Randall,

im not sure if you have tried this or already enforce the practice, but have you considered trying temporary bans? if knowflakes get out of line, i think its notas harsh to even impulsively, and perhaps even slightly unfairly, give a temporary ban (few days to a week)

i honestly think that kind of measure could save people from being completely banned (not that i actually care if people must be banned) but i just think taht would give people a chance to have time to think about what just caused them to be given a literall "time out" from the site. and when they come back likely follow your rules.

you could even have a system.. chance 1/2/3/(with each chance being a longer lasting temporary ban than the previous) = you're out. people already have a choice to try and follow the rules you lay down, unfortunately many people in society (including myself) don't always follow them to the script and not pick up on them as properly as they should. it would give people like that a chance to rectify their mindset, and give them a chance to really think before speaking. (its the same thing with criminals in prison, some don't learn but atleast given the chance to) the chance to think about waht they did. regret can only be truly found when given time to regret it.

just my idea.

anyway.. i'm dissappointed the thread has gone so far off topic, but it doesn't matter i guess, my message is at the top which is the important part..

my topic was not meant to say people shouldn't voice their opinions or not have one, the point was everyone who talks of "what was" is voicing an opinion pointlessly, and its just boring and unavoidable (the comments are hard to ignore since they dont belong to a specific topic or member, and they just pop up). they should make it a Point to the admin.

most importantly i hate when a member gives of any hint of being pretentious about being here longer than another, and i see this when they speak of how good it once was a long time ago when they was there back then.

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Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2010 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I am sorry you feel that way, Pire. Would you like to e mail me so maybe we can become friends ?

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posted November 21, 2010 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
ami I don't want to be your friend. that is not an insult to not appreciate someone, so I hope I will not get banned for that.

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posted November 21, 2010 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, a temporary ban might be a great idea. But some offenses warrant a permanent one. I will not tolerate any racial insults or discrimination of any kind.

Pire, do you have a job? If so, I'm sure you do kiss @ss. I'm certain you don't talk to your boss the way you do here; nor do you speak to your co-workers that way. I'm asking for you to respect others here, not kiss up to anyone. So, the question is, do you like being here, or not? At this moment, you still have a choice. But I am about to make that decision for you.

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posted November 21, 2010 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
It is OK, Pire.
The offer still stands if you change your mind

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woah cakes
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posted November 21, 2010 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message
pire, i appreciate your opinion, but you should really watch yourself.

i guess it's transiting venus on my MC (libra) or something but i'm reeeeeallllllly wishing everyone could take a more communal approach and really take this opportunity to work out their differences right now. maybe it's naive, but i feel like EVERYONE on LL is family; truly it's been such a haven for me throughout the years, and even though i frequently find myself 'disagreeing' with people in my mind here, i still consider all to be family.

as for my libran MC being activated, i can, thus, see BOTH sides of the contention that arised last night. truthfully, the fact that a 21 year old and a ?? year old have been flirting is really not a big deal at all. HOWEVER i can also see why some people were distrubed. i have NOT read the threads in question because i don't much feel like reading about sex these days, so my perspective is limited, but what i am trying to say is that as with ANY argument, peoples' emotions were roused, exaggerations occurred, and insults were thrown. i think, if i'm not mistaken, on both sides of the divide. i am really really REALLY not trying to stir **** up with this post. to the contrary i wish for us all to be able to discuss the REASONS for this openly, objectively, and coolly. i am not supporting ANYONE's angry outburst, nor the insults, however i also recognize they are part and parcel of any argument. i think it goes to show how much people DO value lindaland; it is home to many!! it is a huge family.

i dunno, is anything i'm saying making sense? i didn't get much sleep last night.

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posted November 21, 2010 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
"Pire, do you have a job?"

yes

"If so, I'm sure you do kiss @ss."

that's a very personal point of view to associate work and ass kissing. I don't follow you here.

"I'm certain you don't talk to your boss the way you do here"

in fact i am the same here and there. I even talk about astrology. although to be honest, I do avoid being too much in the presence of my boss, may be to not offend him but hence, I avoid ass kissing

" I'm asking for you to respect others here, not kiss up to anyone"

I do respect others, but I respect more vertical respect than horizontal. I think you refer to horizontal respect, and it's true i can surely do some effort, but I might end up not saying anything, that's the danger (for me, not for you)

"So, the question is, do you like being here, or not?"

I like LL, I sometimes wonder if I like being at LL, like today

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