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Odette
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posted May 26, 2012 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18149852

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A student jailed after making racist remarks on Twitter about footballer Fabrice Muamba has apologised and says he has paid a huge price.

Liam Stacey told BBC Wales' Week in Week Out programme how the comments - "just drunken stupidity" - turned him into a national hate figure.

Stacey, from Pontypridd, was given a 56-day prison term for a racially aggravated public order offence.

Muamba, 24, suffered a cardiac arrest on the pitch in March.

He recovered in time to attend the return fixture at the Reebok Stadium on 3 May.

Stacey told the programme, which is broadcast on Tuesday on BBC One Wales, he did not know why he made the remarks on Twitter, adding that it was a "stupid, massive, massive mistake and I've paid a big price for it".

"What I struggle to get my head around was the week or two before I was just a normal kid getting on with my work in university, getting on with life, playing rugby with all my mates, then a week or two later I was just going to prison, everything had been turned upside down," he said.

Troll attacks
The programme also went undercover to expose how so-called internet trolls - people who carry out anonymous online hate campaigns - target the most vulnerable.

It heard from the mothers of murder victims Rebecca Aylward from Bridgend, and Kirsty Wilkinson from Swansea, whose online memorial sites were attacked by trolls.

Kirsty's mother Catherine Broomfield said: "It's just beyond belief, it just hurts. I've already got a big hole in my heart as it is and these people just make the hole deeper."

One troll told the programme attacking others made him feel better.

Week In Week Out also enlisted the help of an unnamed internet expert to set a trap for the trolls who went out of their way to shock, offend and upset vulnerable people.


Fabrice Muamba, 24, collapsed during a match on 17 March
Nobody has been prosecuted for making comments about Rebecca Aylward or Kirsty Wilkinson.

However, the head of the Crown Prosecution Service for Wales said reported online crimes are treated exactly the same as offences committed "in the real world".

Jim Brisbane, chief prosecutor for the Crown Prosecution Service in Wales, said the vast majority of the population enjoyed social media and used it responsibly.

Consequences
He added: "But there's now an opportunity to make it clear, for those who overstep the mark and abuse the privilege of being able to communicate in such a wide way, that the law that applies to other settings and other forms of communication can apply equally to what they're doing, and if that is not recognised then there may be consequences."

Superintendent Joe Ruddy from South Wales Police led the investigation into Stacey's case.

He said: "We in South Wales Police have seen an over 100% increase in the number of social networking-type occurrences in the last two years and that's probably just tip of the iceberg in what's going on out there."

Final exams

While Fabrice Muamba continues to recover, Stacey's future remains uncertain.

Swansea University suspended him pending the conclusion of disciplinary proceedings.

On Tuesday, it said Stacey would remain suspended for the remainder of this academic year and is not allowed to return to campus.

But he will be given the opportunity to sit his final exams as an external candidate next year at another venue and, if successful, graduate in absentia.

He will remain excluded from the campus, the university said.

"We take the actions of this student very seriously, which is why he is no longer part of our campus community," it said in a statement.

"We are mindful that he has been given a prison sentence, and therefore has already paid a price for his actions.

"He has expressed genuine remorse and we are satisfied that he understands that his behaviour was unacceptable, and damaging to the university."


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Odette
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posted May 26, 2012 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you think guys?

Is this fair enough - or is it going too far, perhaps chastising free speech?

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posted May 26, 2012 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's the UK. There isn't an all encompassing blanket First Amendment protecting all manner of nonsensical idiotic speech. You are held responsible for anything and everything you say.

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posted May 26, 2012 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There isn't an all encompassing blanket First Amendment protecting all manner of nonsensical idiotic speech.


I see what you mean... but - There is a lot of case law that still acts like a protective blanket!

I was asking from a moral perspective though!

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posted May 26, 2012 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
I was asking from a moral perspective though!

From a moral perspective I have no sympathy for him and while I think people should have thicker skins against trolls (especially as this would upset the trolls) I feel no pity for them when someone manages (metaphorically speaking) to punch them in the nose despite the anonymity and safety they thought they had to be such jerks.

That said, I prefer more informal methods of enforcement (like his being kicked out of uni as they rightfully don't want to be associated by such obnoxious behavior) rather than prison (to me prisons are there to make society safer by locking away dangerous individuals, whether it's an unruly or stumbling drunk overnight to sleep it off to a serial rapist who never sees the outside walls of a prison again, rather than punishment). But I'm not going to shed tears over his being sent for a couple of months.

From a PRACTICAL perspective I do worry about laws being misused and the possible creation of slippery slopes (particularly given how easy it is to label someone a troll, when I think not even half of those called trolls are actual trolls)...not that I see a specific reason to worry in this case but it's always worth considering before throwing one's support behind a new law or application of said law. For example, if fully supported then the law could be applied even more, especially by prosecutors wishing to be popular with the public, and prosecute someone for less and less just cause which could not only lead to some really stupid prosecutions but even silencing criticism of the government (as it's "trollish" by upsetting, people, especially to those in the government like the prosecutors).

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posted May 26, 2012 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMO, the police doing something about it is atleast okay. But the university interfering & all is too much.
His first tweet was "LOL, *^^* (name) he's dead." How is this even racist? Correct me if I'm wrong.

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posted May 27, 2012 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Though I detest bigotry, I'm not sure if a prison sentence is the right move. He regrets what he said, but I doubt that it's because people took offence to it. I think he's remorseful because he was publicly humiliated and has had to suffer the consequences. He blamed the alcohol rather than take responsibility and admit that he has a problem.

The University did the right thing. If there were wider intolerance towards such behaviour maybe people wouldn't feel so comfortable with having prejudices.

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posted May 27, 2012 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by depth:
IMO, the police doing something about it is atleast okay. But the university interfering & all is too much.
His first tweet was "LOL, *^^* (name) he's dead." How is this even racist? Correct me if I'm wrong.

You can see his tweets (starting from the most recent and working back) here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA5v2eZ5ZZE

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posted May 27, 2012 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, I found this guy convincing (at least now that it's 2:30 AM but I think I'm going to still agree with him even after I get some sleep):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t-tBaqOwFY

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