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Topic: Do Women Really Care About Looks With A Man?
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 19082 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 12:34 PM
A friend of mine forwarded an e-mail to me this morning. The article makes a lot of sense. What do you women think of it?EXACTLY WHY WOMEN DON'T CARE AS MUCH ABOUT YOUR LOOKS AS YOU THINK THEY DO Sure, I know what you're saying even as you read the title above. "OK then, how come women go nuts over all those prettyboy actors? And why do they openly talk about how physically attractive guys are when they're hanging out together?" I'm not going to lie to you. If a guy LOOKS GOOD to a woman, she'll notice. But remember, women are wired differently than we are. We tend to see a woman's physical beauty. And usually, if it's not there for any particular woman in our estimation she has little chance with us. But with women, if you watch closely they'll often notice guys from afar who you wouldn't necessarily expect them to. Meanwhile, when it comes to the guy YOU may have automatically assumed was your biggest "competition" in a particular social setting, women just roll their eyes. Why is this? Well, for starters, your idea of "masculine" may be different than a woman's. If you're thinking in terms of a "man's man", she's thinking more in terms of what IGNITES her femininity. Big difference. I call it "The Clark Kent Factor". You know the story with Superman. His public persona is that of "mild mannered" Clark Kent. The tentative, somewhat scattered "Mr. Nice Guy" who Lois Lane, of course, sees as "just a friend". He's unsure of himself. He is usually dependent on others for guidance and leadership. He doesn't really have a plan. And he speaks in a hushed tone, with a higher pitch than seems appropriate. Meanwhile, Superman has no such issues. Lois is overwhelmed with animal attraction when HE'S around. And here's the kicker: It's the SAME GUY. Therefore, both Clark Kent and his alter ego Superman have the same level of "natural giftedness" in the looks department, right? You could even argue that Superman still rules DESPITE the simple fact that Clark Kent sports a smart business suit whereas Superman has the added "liability" of wearing blue and red spandex. Whatever. It's WHO SUPERMAN IS that makes him PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE to Lois Lane. "Yes Scot, but that's FICTIONAL", you may be saying to yourself. Granted. But the example is rooted in pure truth. For example, Emily and I went on a nice trip to Japan and Korea about a year ago. While in Seoul, we booked a visit to the infamous DMZ, which has always fascinated me. Since the DMZ is the "no mans land" between North and South Korea, who are still technically at war with each other, the tour was actually guided by a U.S. Army MP. Since I love my job, I tend to find it difficult to leave "work" at home even when on vacation. So I watched closely as the MP confidently boarded the bus, flashed a friendly but decisively competent smile, and proceeded to tell us very directly what we could expect from the morning and what the "ground rules" were. "I'm going to make sure you see everything that's important, but please remember not to wave or gesture to any North Koreans along the way. If you do, I'm going to have to remove you from the tour, send you back to the bus and deal with the 'situation' after we get back here to the base. And believe me, I'd much rather you enjoy the tour as much as everyone else instead." He was reasonable and direct, without being a douchebag about it. He had done this tour at least a hundred times and it showed. Suffice it to say we all paid attention. And as expected, nobody created an "international incident". Nice. BUT...the guy was approachable enough that everyone chimed in with questions, which he cheerfully and competently answered. He respected everyone on the tour, and fully expected to BE respected in return. It was a "non issue" for him, and therefore it was likewise a "non issue" for all of us. Sooner than later it occurred to me that this guy's appearance was VERY, VERY average in just about every respect. He was of average height and build. And while his face wouldn't scare small children, he wasn't going to be gracing the cover of GQ anytime soon. This was no "prettyboy" magazine model. But he was CLEARLY a "Big Four" man. You know...confident, masculine in the way women define it, able to make a woman (and everyone else, frankly) feel safe and comfortable in his presence, and of solid character. One of the great benefits I enjoy while traveling, obviously, is Emily's company. In fact, sharing world travels and the life-long memories that go along with them is one of many, many reasons why being in a great long-term relationship beats the tar out of one-night stands. As such, since she was sitting next to me on the bus I asked her, "So, do you think this guy has any trouble getting a date?" "Oh goodness no", was her immediate response...after spontaneous laughter. Indeed. To say he was confident would be an understatement. Yet, his clear sense of sober judgment about himself (as opposed to arrogance) combined with a clear ability to put us at ease was nothing short of amazing. We were visiting what is inarguably one of the most politically tense areas on Earth, yet everyone was laid back about it. And as far as character goes, there was just something about how he carried himself that openly demonstrated that passing the necessary background checks to be in the position he was in must have been no problem. I turned to Emily again and said, "OK, now imagine the same guy in another setting. More tentative, not quite as confident. Maybe more of an approval-seeking 'Mr. Nice Guy'. There'd be a big difference in how attractive he is to women, huh?" "Is that a trick question?" Emily replied...again with a laugh. No kidding. Were this guy to have been lacking in the "Big Four" department, he'd be "Mr. Normal". He wouldn't be leading tours to the border between North and South Korea, that's for sure. And he wouldn't be the kind of man women notice. But the fact remained. Perhaps ironically, even while wearing camouflage this guy stood out from "the crowd". As a matter of fact, we downloaded a documentary on North Korea from Netflix a couple of weeks ago, and guess who they interviewed when they got to the DMZ? No kidding...it was the same guy who guided our tour. I'm sure that was no coincidence. So what's the takeaway? Simply this: Even if you are average (or even below average) in the "natural looks" department, it's going to be the "Big Four" that TRULY decide whether women NOTICE you or not. Sure, take care of yourself. Brush your teeth and don't dress like a slob. But remember "The Clark Kent Factor" always, and continue to fine-tune the "Big Four" in your life until you become your own version of Superman in your own "natural habitat", which is presumably somewhere outside the DMZ. And by all means do so without the tights, please. Be Good,
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coconutcancermoon Knowflake Posts: 494 From: A Place of Pure Love Registered: Nov 2010
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posted January 13, 2011 12:38 PM
Interesting article and very true
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ghanima81 Moderator Posts: 917 From: Maine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 12:45 PM
Completely agree. Wish men thought that way. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8181 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 01:14 PM
funny you should bring this up. it was a man who first said to me, "it doesn't matter what she looks like really, but what is in her eyes..."and i have noticed CONSISTENTLY over the years that it is not the dropdead gorgeous girls who tend to get the guys, but those who make them feel important, needed, valuable in whatever way makes sense to the man himself. so while some men go for beautiful women, most are happier with something invisible that defines the woman's character, how she makes him feel, WHO SHE IS. and the beauties go through men like paper plates... face it being that gorgeous takes effort. marilyn monroe spent 3 HOURS turning into MM daily...though she was beautiful without all the trimmings, she was not GODDESS au naturel...and focussing on physical beauty/perfection not only makes one insecure, but self-centered..these are not qualities that lend themselves to healthy relationships! IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 19082 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 01:22 PM
He briefly mentions something about a "big four." See the quote below: But he was CLEARLY a "Big Four" man. You know...confident, masculine in the way women define it, able to make a woman (and everyone else, frankly) feel safe and comfortable in his presence, and of solid character. Now, I am not "ugly" by societal standards, but I'm also not a Brad Pitt by any means, but I've never had any trouble creating strong attraction. This author's "big four" concept makes a lot sense, now that I see it broken down. I have always cultivated those four qualities and attributes within myself. Confidence can't be faked, but it can be slowly created over time (not cockiness, but strong self-esteem). Women always want a masculine man that complements their own femininity (that doesn't mean a woman is weak at all--just that they want a man who acts like a man). Safety extends more than just to women, but women definitely want to feel safe around their guy. And character is something you build every day and continue to build, but it can be lost veey quickly. Character and integrity mean everything. I think the author synthesized these traits to make them easy to understand, and although he only briefly touched upon them, his real-life example spoke volumes. Smart guy! ------------------ "Cooking is like love. It should be entered into with abandon or not at all." Harriet Van Horne IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 19082 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 01:25 PM
I totally agree, Kat. Genuine men look for that indefinable something that attracts us. We know it when we see it. ------------------ "Cooking is like love. It should be entered into with abandon or not at all." Harriet Van Horne IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6101 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 01:37 PM
Yeah, I think everyone regardless of gender is impressed with looks to varying degrees as well as impressed with confidence to varying degrees. Not really a gender issue.IP: Logged |
GypseeWind Knowflake Posts: 5707 From: Love Street, she lingers long on Love Street.. Registered: May 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 01:58 PM
Also, the more attracted you are to someone, the better looking they become in your eyes.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 33230 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 13, 2011 02:00 PM
Some guys make you feel really beautiful. This is prolly the biggest thing to make any guy attractive to woman. The woman feels beautiful around him.------------------ Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man. You must face the dregs of Nessus to touch the love and beauty of Neptune. Me IP: Logged |
LEXX Knowflake Posts: 9742 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 02:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by katatonic: funny you should bring this up. it was a man who first said to me, "it doesn't matter what she looks like really, but what is in her eyes..."and i have noticed CONSISTENTLY over the years that it is not the dropdead gorgeous girls who tend to get the guys, but those who make them feel important, needed, valuable in whatever way makes sense to the man himself. so while some men go for beautiful women, most are happier with something invisible that defines the woman's character, how she makes him feel, WHO SHE IS. and the beauties go through men like paper plates... face it being that gorgeous takes effort. marilyn monroe spent 3 HOURS turning into MM daily...though she was beautiful without all the trimmings, she was not GODDESS au naturel...and focussing on physical beauty/perfection not only makes one insecure, but self-centered..these are not qualities that lend themselves to healthy relationships!
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6101 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 02:30 PM
quote: Some guys make you feel really beautiful. This is prolly the biggest thing to make any guy attractive to woman. The woman feels beautiful around him.
I think this extends to making life beautiful, you know? If life is great with the person you're with then it's not as much about the looks or whether your partner fits some mold, but rather it's that the union brings out the beauty both of you enjoy together. That's why nice guys can do just fine, because it's not always about some conception of masculinity. It's confidence. I think that if a woman is living in a place that is so dangerous that she needs someone else to feel safe, she should probably move somewhere more civilized. That's a misuse of a man, and a misjudgment of what a man and a relationship should be for you. If it's not a literal safety, then courage should suffice, though each person should have some courage of their own. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 19082 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 02:39 PM
Safety is more than physical danger from location. A woman wants to feel protective arms around her and to feel both safe from danger (with a man who can defend her) and also safe to be able to trust her man with her inner self, her secrets, and her private moments.------------------ "Cooking is like love. It should be entered into with abandon or not at all." Harriet Van Horne IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 19082 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 02:43 PM
Women worry over their own looks a lot (a byproduct of this commercialized society), and so a man who reaffirms that he finds her to be beautiful (and conveys this truthfully with a genuine vibe) and makes a woman feel truly beautiful from the inside out, is what most women long for. ------------------ "Cooking is like love. It should be entered into with abandon or not at all." Harriet Van Horne IP: Logged |
LEXX Knowflake Posts: 9742 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 02:46 PM
Part of Randall's first post on this thread quote: I'm not going to lie to you. If a guy LOOKS GOOD to a woman, she'll notice.
I notice, but I also was never one to avoid noticing the less than perfect fellows. Yeah, beautiful is a wonderful perk! I will not deny that! But if that is all the guy(s} have going for them, no thank you, I was never interested in just a pretty body/face. I have dated men who were amputees, blind, enormous, deformed, dwarf, artificial limbs, artificial ribcage, head plates, you name it....and of course just regular fellows. A beautiful mind and soul matter firstly to me, then of course cleanliness. quote: But remember, women are wired differently than we are.
Hhmmmmm...... I see an awful lot of women who go for a guy's looks first, then b!tch when he turns out to be a major jerk. quote: We tend to see a woman's physical beauty. And usually, if it's not there for any particular woman in our estimation she has little chance with us.
OK on that I am freaking laughing my azs off! I must be an odd one! I have never had trouble with, the "physical beauty" angle no matter my looks... quote: if it's (my note here: physical beauty)not there for any particular woman in our estimation she has little chance with us.
That makes guys sound like creeps. So if the woman is not a drop dead gorgeous woman? quote: she has little chance with us
That is pitiful. Any guy with that attitude can go off with with all the pretty bimbos (I am not saying pretty=bimbo, just some)they want, then wonder why down the road they are are alone. Not the kind of fellow(s)I'd want. quote:
But with women, if you watch closely they'll often notice guys from afar who you wouldn't necessarily expect them to.
Again, from what I have seen, that is not true. At least not in my personal observations of women in offline world. The so called "hot" chicks go for the so called "hot" guys. quote: Meanwhile, when it comes to the guy YOU may have automatically assumed was your biggest "competition" in a particular social setting, women just roll their eyes.Why is this? Well, for starters, your idea of "masculine" may be different than a woman's. If you're thinking in terms of a "man's man", she's thinking more in terms of what IGNITES her femininity.
OK, that bit I will agree with. However what that is/means varies from woman to woman. What one woman might see as not masculine enough, another might see as perfect. That more brains than brawn intelligent, definitely male sensual guy! What another woman may see as perfect might be too GI Joe/Rambo for another.IP: Logged |
LEXX Knowflake Posts: 9742 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 02:49 PM
AG said: quote:
I think this extends to making life beautiful, you know? If life is great with the person you're with then it's not as much about the looks or whether your partner fits some mold, but rather it's that the union brings out the beauty both of you enjoy together. That's why nice guys can do just fine, because it's not always about some conception of masculinity. It's confidence.
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LEXX Knowflake Posts: 9742 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 03:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Women worry over their own looks a lot (a byproduct of this commercialized society), and so a man who reaffirms that he finds her to be beautiful (and conveys this truthfully with a genuine vibe) and makes a woman feel truly beautiful from the inside out, is what most women long for.
True! Being told I am loved for my company, my mind, oh yeah! Accepting me as me, in all ways, yes, that "feeling beautiful from the inside out" makes me smile more, makes me glow, makes me actually look better, and want to be the best I can be! Sure, I'll never (barring a miracle or whatever ~grin~)be model perfect, nor young(working on the "aging backwards" ~grin~)but, I will continue to be real, genuine, no fakery or false airs, just being myself! I guess that is confidence. Sure I wish I looked better, and will, but accepting oneself, imperfections and all is important. Any one worth being with will see the real person inside. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6101 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 04:05 PM
quote: However what that is/means varies from woman to woman.
I agree. I think there's a pretty wide scale of what women find acceptable as far as masculinity goes. IP: Logged |
remixel-pixelpixie Knowflake Posts: 117 From: Registered: May 2010
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posted January 13, 2011 06:53 PM
I definitely know there is a certain quality, and confidence-a 'swagger' that I find attractive. It could be in the oddest way- not even a tangible thing... I also find it attractive when it's obvious they find me attractive too... especially when i am not particularly 'putting it on' or what have you. The whole accepting thing--- Like a part of me 'heals' when i am accepted. I am describing that poorly- It feels nice to be appreciated- accepted. And they put it on the line and indicate it. I appreciate that. It must be tough to be a man.If a man smells bad, I am instantly turned off. I don't mean body odor- that can be nice-and it doesn't have to be a fabricated scent like cologne- I mean, unclean, clothes needing to be washed, or like a dog or whatever..ew. I will absolutely appreciate looks on a man-on anyone to be truthful- but it is the shell that holds the juicy insides. I like the juicy insides. I don't have a type i the least- I have always just been attracted to a quality.
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LEXX Knowflake Posts: 9742 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 07:19 PM
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6101 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2011 08:15 PM
quote: The whole accepting thing---
Yeah, I've called that tolerance before. Your words are better. That's definitely part of what it's about for me, too. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 33230 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 13, 2011 08:32 PM
like a dog ------------------ Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man. You must face the dregs of Nessus to touch the love and beauty of Neptune. Me IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 33230 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 14, 2011 09:19 AM
I am gonna say something controversial in answer to the question. I have known two men who can make woman fall down like bowling pins One guys slept with almost every girl at Vassar lol I think what these guys have,bottom line,is that they give the woman's primal nature BACK to herself. He is not afraid of things she IS afraid of such as her passions. Disclaimer---This is the opinion of one person only
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 19082 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 14, 2011 11:56 PM
Guys are more visual. Girls are more cerebral.IP: Logged |
remixel-pixelpixie Knowflake Posts: 117 From: Registered: May 2010
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posted January 15, 2011 12:16 AM
That's an absolute truth! Men can er...get off..with only visual stimulation, women can fantasize themselves off. I mean, men can technically rub one out any which way, choose your poison ... and women can be happiest on a motorcycle ... but just saying.. in the simplest terms... Absolutely! IP: Logged |
GypseeWind Knowflake Posts: 5707 From: Love Street, she lingers long on Love Street.. Registered: May 2009
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posted January 15, 2011 01:13 AM
One time (at band camp, J/K) I met this incredibly attractive guy. I mean, I knew him for a long time cause he was always around the same people that I was, but he always had a girlfriend. And so, this one night, I had a fight with my husband, when I first discovered.. some stuff, and I went to my cousins bar, just down the road. Well, he was there, and he'd just broke up with his girlfriend. So, the two of us, just sat there wallowing in our heartbreak. Annnnyyyway, he was/is verrrrry good looking. I mean, like to me, he is what I would call, gorgeous.So, night goes on, and we are drinking, and we decide to slow dance. While we were dancing, he kissed me. That was IT, all she wrote. He was clean, and all that, but there was a smell, that did NOT 'fit' me. I can't describe it, it was just his particular smell. It was then I started to seriously look into chemistry and what that is all about, cos, either you have it, or you DON'T. And when you don't, there is NO faking it. We're still friends though. IP: Logged | |