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ElizabethO
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posted December 29, 2011 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wrote these two letters to two people who bullied me junior high school and high school:

It's taken me a long time to write this to you, perhaps longer than you deserve. I'm not sure quite where to start considering the immensity of what I wish to say to you, but I guess I should begin with this: despite the many years between when we first met in junior high and now, I still carry within myself a very deep hurt, which was inflicted by your constant bullying towards me when we were young. You may not remember how much you deliberately hurt me, or perhaps you do… It doesn't matter. Even though I am 24 years old and have moved on from many difficulties I had throughout junior high and high school, I will always remember the pain that you put me through.

I remember in the 6th grade when we sat next to each other in Mr. Chappelle's math class. I had long hair then that I had never cut. Mr. Chappelle was arrested that week, and we had a substitute teacher who wasn't paying any attention to us. While I wasn't looking, you put glue and tape in my hair. When I had told you to stop, you continued to do it, laughing at me along the way. I began to cry, though silently with tears I tried so hard to hold back. Chris Bryant was sitting at a table adjacent to us and told you to stop because I was crying. You told me to look at you and asked me, "Are you crying?", like I was the most pathetic person you knew for feeling hurt. I was a broken person then, teased for many years prior for being Asian or "weird" as others called it, and at that moment I couldn't stop you from harassing me. You continued to put tape in my hair and glue until the bell rang. I went to the bathroom and cried for the next hour, untangling my hair. I never told anyone what happened out of shame and hopelessness, something I will always regret not doing. I cut my hair in my bathroom out of anger towards myself that evening.

You should never had gotten away with doing that to me, but I feared you. I feared you telling everyone else that I had told on you. I was already a broken person, having come from an abusive household; I feared more taunts, more glares, more isolation. I was already scared of home - school, though difficult, was my only escape.

You probably think that it's silly for me to rehearse a memory from so long ago, but I do it to demonstrate the immensity of your actions against me at that moment and through many other taunts and malicious jeers you directly towards me afterward. That memory still remains and represents a long struggle I've had with myself. Every so often, I wonder what I did to make you dislike me so. I wonder why I was too weak to do anything, that all the painful memories I remember because of you were really my own fault for not standing up for myself. I was never unkind to you, never rude, never against you in any manner… yet you determined that I was someone deserving of such treatment. Until this day, these thoughts still linger, and so do the scars of being traumatized at such a young age for no valid reason whatsoever.

With that said, I don't blame you completely for all the bullying that I went through during those years, but you were a major character in that chapter of my life. I have no expectations of you to respond to this message as you either will not care (as you didn't care when we were younger) or you may not know what to say to me. Sorry would suffice, but I don't expect that from you either. Facebook is a lame form of communication, but it will do… I write this for myself in hopes that you may realize the immensity of your actions and that, yes, sometimes it lasts many years… I hope you are doing well, and are perhaps less inclined to pick on the helpless and undeserving.

Sincerely,
Elizabeth

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ElizabethO
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posted December 29, 2011 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And the second.

I was reminiscing about high school, and remember how you harassed me nonstop about [ex boyfriend]. I didn't have the confidence then that I do now, so I wanted to tell you that 1) I never slept with him and 2) I don't remember who else made my junior and senior year of high school a complete hell, but I do remember you... I was harassing and called a ***** in public and in school because of the vicious rumors you and your friends decided to spread. The constant teasing and harassment made me cry and you hurt my feelings immensely, especially since I had thought up to that moment throughout junior high and high school that you were a upstanding and decent guy. You may think it's silly for me to contact you after 6 years, but I thought you should know the immensity of your actions and that to this day, while I am no longer as hurt as I was back then, I will still carry with me the hurtful memories of you and your friends taunting me for something I never did during a time of immense depression for myself. I hope you've learned to not harass people you barely know (which I can say that besides knowing my name, you've never known me as a person), and that maybe you'll apologize to me one day as well.

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ElizabethO
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posted December 29, 2011 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My greatest fear... with the first person... is that she'll completely deny that she ever bullied me and call me crazy... It's such a silly paranoia, but amongst other things... it burns in my mind. I fear it so much. I'm almost near tears thinking about it... She had created so much pain in my life for no reason whatsoever, and despite me being a strong, independent woman today... The scars still remain as if they are fresh wounds from yesterday.

The second letter was to Dave - I knew almost all my life. He was "nice" to me in junior high, meaning he generally just disregarded me, which I was fine with. No contact is better than any contact.

When I was in high school, I dated a guy for a week. I didn't know it, but his group of "friends" actually really hated him and teased him behind his back. Dave was amongst those people. When I broke up with the guy, he told all his friends that we had sex (we never did) even though we barely dated for a week. I guess he did it to be popular with his "friends", perhaps sensing that they didn't really like him as much as they pretended. I was already bullied, as evident in my first letter. His "friends" decided to begin a witch hunt against me. They spread the rumor all over the school that I was a cheap **** who was desperate to sleep with anyone.

I was called a w-hore outloud in the middle of our lunchroom by that group of boys. Of course, none of the teachers ever heard nor cared... The table would laugh at me... People nearby would look at me like I was dirtiest, most disgusting person they'd ever seen. I would see them in public, and the boys would say, "So how does it feel knowing you had sex with (ex's name)?!" then jeer and laugh at me. I was traumatized for two years. I still remember holding back the burning tears, so afraid to say anything yet so upset and angry at them. I was such a defeated girl then... I should have reported them for sexual harassment (because that is sexual harassment even if they weren't touching me), but as those who may have been bullied as well... you feel so helpless and defective. Oh, how I wish I said something. I wrestle within myself... so angry that I never said anything, that I was so weak. Yet I know I never deserved any of it... When it comes to my past, I feel so conflicted. They often say that those without a past have no future... What about those who want no past?

Anyway, I felt like writing this here for someone to make me feel better. I'm not going to pretend like I'm not. I never had a shoulder to cry on. I never had a mother to protect me or nurture my confidence. I mean - of course I had a "mother" - but the woman who gave birth to me represents not a person but a powerful, corrosive force in my life that is another story... My father was always gone. I never told him, mostly because I was ashamed... I think. I really don't know why I didn't tell anyone about what was happening. This is another conflict I have within myself...

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posted December 29, 2011 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jesstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how very brave of you elizabeth! im proud of u sticking up for the little you that is still hurting inside, although u r still so very young...that little you is still there..im lying here in my father and step mothers home.i havent been home for the hoildays in 19 years . the past is haunting me too as we speak. my brother had just text me that he never wants to step foot in this house again.the memories r just terrible. about two hours ago i blew up at my step mother and did apologize rather quickly .yet she had screamed at me and told me to pack my bags and leave.im in ohio and live in new mexico..my son and i still have a week left in our stay.i am 39 and still wrestling w the past . thank you for sharing your story tonight .it made me fell less alone too . may golden light surround and heal us

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posted December 29, 2011 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted December 29, 2011 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alma Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My greatest fear... with the first person... is that she'll completely deny that she ever bullied me and call me crazy... It's such a silly paranoia, but amongst other things... it burns in my mind.

It's not silly at all. ♥


I hope they respond and give you the apology you need. But, if they don't, at least you got this off your chest. I hope you find closure.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted December 29, 2011 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whatever happens, ElizabethO, I hope that it's for the best and brings you closure and healing.

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posted December 29, 2011 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elizabeth ((hugs))

Very brave.

I hope it will somehow bring peace to your mind.

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posted December 29, 2011 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elizabeth Look up Dejaneria, Child and Nessus in your chart .You can put it up in PR, if you want. Also, Chiron conj the ASC seems to show early bullying. I am very sorry you went through that, Darling!

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LEXX
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posted December 29, 2011 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It has been many decades since the bullying at me as a kid and teen.
I refused to fight back.
Had my trombone broken over my head, several pairs of eyeglasses busted,
lunch stomped on, myself and my thing p!ssed on, shite tossed into my locker, honkers in my hair, glue etc......well just about every gross and mean thing others can do on bus and in school.
When I run into them in public, a store or whatever,
I stay clear of most of them here some up to 50 years later.
Their children also became bullies,
beating my son up and abusing, assaulting him the same ways.

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posted December 29, 2011 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hate bullies, I was bullied when I was very young because I was so small and easygoing.

Eventually I learned that I had to fight back and show that I can't be made an easy target of.

I don't let anybody bully me now.

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ElizabethO
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posted December 29, 2011 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for all the warm words. No word from either one of them. I really wish they would say sorry, though I'm sure they both will think me so insignificant and pathetic to themselves to not respond. I've reconciled with myself with that truth, but I can still wish...

Bullying and abuse is a cycle really... Bullies are either abused/neglected themselves or spoiled brats. Then they either abuse/neglect their kids, or spoil, then continuing on the system.

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posted December 31, 2011 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi! I also wanted to end the discussion in the other thread. I'm over that whole 'topic'.

I just wanted to let you know that I think you are a strong person and I'm sure that you can put these people behind you. The letters are a good way put an end to this period in your life. You can say to yourself: "It is OUT there now. They have been given the opportunity to apologize and to understand their behaviour was *wrong*. If they don't - they don't! It's their karma."
You can't control how they react to this - and where they are at maturity-wise, at this point in their lives. Please don't be scared about their reaction or lack-there-of. It's very important for you to draw a line with this and understand that you have done *enough*.. You have done your part to bring this to a spiritually -positive- conclusion. They neither need nor deserve any more of your time, emotion and attention.

The reason I did not reply earlier is that sometimes, being a pretty watery person - I try to understand a situation and to really get a feel for - what it is the person needs to *hear* deep down/what they need to receive as *emotional support*.
In this situation - I felt like you are going through something like a cleansing process... and you are doing really well on your own, maybe better than you realize.. So I felt like I really shouldn't get involved in any way (by replying or giving you my opinions). Maybe this is strange - I'm not sure. The mental imagery I would associate with this 'feeling' is like dipping my finger in a still lake and creating ripples... when it is actually 'unwelcome'.
I realize it's counterintuitive that it would be 'unwelcome'.. since you actually asked for opinions&advice - I'm not sure why I had this intuition, but this is what prevented me from saying anything.

Also - I'm sorry I mentioned it on the other thread as it wasn't connected and I shouldn't have brought it up in that context.

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I have a feeling it's close to NYE in US - so

Happy New Year ALL!!

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posted January 03, 2012 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope it helped you but I think it's a bad idea in general. People like that will just laugh. I don't know why others are so naive when it comes to sadistic people. They KNOW what they're doing. That's the fun of it. There are very few of them that are ever actually remorseful and you're right about their children. I saw a young man be sentenced to 15 years in prison for standing up the offspring of one of the worst bullies I've ever seen. They alway advise these kids to "tell somebody" but 99% of the time, the adult ALREADY KNOWS and telling only makes it worse. They are either secretly lauging themselves and giving it the wink or they're afraid of the bullies or their parents. I would not ever send my child to public school. It's like a microcosm of a prison literally, complete with the violence and sexual degradation and guards who look the other way.

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ElizabethO
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posted January 06, 2012 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Update: No comments from either person. Stillatlarge is right: I knew that they would think the letters were either stupid or they wouldn't care. Honestly, I still feel very raw about the past... The psychiatrist that I'm seeing believes that I have post-traumatic stress disorder from my childhood and early adulthood... I might go to an outpatient therapy center he runs for a week long psychological "cleansing" there. Insurance covers it, but I don't know if I'll go... I'll see how I feel in a month or two. I just feel such a sense of defeat and hurt when I come home. A flood of memories come back and I just can't deal with it. Even my psychiatrist believes that it's better for me to move on and move somewhere else where I can be away from hurtful reminders until I can deal with them in short bursts. Thank you everyone for your love and support. I really appreciate it.

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posted January 06, 2012 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elizabeth, I was told that I most likely have PTSD from something that happened before my bullying (more than one thing, actually), and then the bullying on top of it.. I recently told someone that my PTSD comes from other people, after she listed a series of symptoms/personality traits that she was experiencing, that match my own. I really need my own space, and nobody seems to get just how much I need to know that I can at least control my own personal space in some way.

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posted January 06, 2012 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ended up mentioning it on a fb group for the last high school I attended in England; I posted something under a picture, when feeling really depressed (and was reading Carrie - October 2009). I was so sad that so much of my life had been hampered by anxiety and fears that were exacerbated by the bullying in school (so much that I felt suicidal).

I deleted the comment, went back a few days later, and had one fear confirmed: they didn't even remember me. my confidence had been thrashed, I'd spent many years thinking that I was too ugly to be seen (but not too ugly to be used by anyone wanting to use my "nice little figure" - not that I let anyone do so), and too unlikable to exist. The words of the people who loved me, couldn't put a dent in what they'd done (and what my grandmother had started - as well as the violence from one of my mother's boyfriends, and the sociopath we lived with for a while).

October 2010, I ended up back there, crying again (Sun hits my 12th at that time every year), and admitted under the same picture, that I'd been suicidal, thanks to their actions. I'd also thanked the one girl who stood up for me (once) who was tagged in the picture, in 2009, and she ended up adding me on fb, as a friend.

I was lucky in that we moved to California, and I got to just study at home, and do my work, occasionally travelling around the state with visitors or family. My social life and personal life took a huge hit with all of it, though. that's one thing that has upset me over the past two years: seeing how I should have responded, thinking of missed opportunities. I'm glad that you didn't let their actions hold you back, and it was very brave of you to bring it up and write to them. Just before christmas, I was reading a book called, "Please Stop Laughing At Me" about one woman's awful bullying in school.

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posted January 08, 2012 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1-scorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Even my psychiatrist believes that it's better for me to move on and move somewhere else where I can be away from hurtful reminders until I can deal with them in short bursts."

That sounds like a good idea. I was in an abusive relationship, and I moved. It did help.

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posted June 21, 2012 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Bowie Eyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ElizabethO:
Thank you for all the warm words. No word from either one of them. I really wish they would say sorry, though I'm sure they both will think me so insignificant and pathetic to themselves to not respond. I've reconciled with myself with that truth, but I can still wish...

Bullying and abuse is a cycle really... Bullies are either abused/neglected themselves or spoiled brats. Then they either abuse/neglect their kids, or spoil, then continuing on the system.


It don't matter what they think. Only what you think. Please indulge me some of my thoughts, and then, if you see this you can think things out for yourself.
They more than probably don't think you are insignificant at all. Quite the opposite, Elizabeth. I'm sure, as one can be, from afar, that they fear you and what they fear most is their own insignificance.
You are the strong one. Now. And then. Despite your turmoil, your inner anguish, you squared off with your bullies, the "faces" and the featureless blobs, otherwise known as the "in crowd". The ultimate conformists whose high point ( no pun intended) in life truly peaks in high school.
You said yourself, you are a strong, independent W O M A N. That is is the best that humanity offers, by the way. The female, the grown woman whom weathers the storms of humankind's stupidity and nurtures and teaches those wise enough to appreciate and respect a woman's hard won wisdom.
You are confronting and exorcising your demons, these empty husks, whose only power is not the power they exercised over you but that of your own thoughts and perspective. The act of writing them in such a public venue as FB- even if the confrontation was to their private messaging function is almost full circle poetic. FB is a universal high school of sorts, where there is the "in crowd, then there are those whom are who they are, the dreamers, the doers, the enlightened. But I digress.
Those that peaked in high school are seeking that euphoria again in FB. You are messing with their mojo by reminding them of how empty and weak they were, and by their present silence, they still are.
If they do respond and it is to apologize, good. Maybe they have grown or will grow. If they don’t reply or reply in the negative then you know that they are truly lost and are no longer a worry to you. Either way, they reply and it’s good, or they don’t reply or they say something bad- that is a reflection of them. Not you. You already won the second you expressed your feelings about back then and that you are determined to be who you are now. A strong, determined, self-directed W O M A N who inspires and nurtures others.

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posted June 21, 2012 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bullies project their own insecurities/issues onto others. It's a power trip to them, thinking that stripping away the self-worth of another will make them feel superior. It's even sadder when adults are bullies. It's up to them to take personal responsibilty for their actions and self respect for others.

You are very brave for facing those demons. Bullies should realize how their behaviour affects the people they victimize. It's difficult enough dealing with with other aspects of life, especially for those of us who came from an abusive past and then have to put up with such crap, just adding a load of scum to our lives we don't need nor deserve (more so when you didn't even do a darn thing to the bully) but then again they don't need a reason.

Don't ever allow another to make you feel inferior/compromise your integrity/take away your self worth etc.
Never allow them to change who you are, especially if you're a kind hearted person.

Be true to yourself. Stand up for yourself.

A very good friend told me, "Never give your Power and always give your Love."

Those words helped me. It's THEIR issues, not yours.

Be strong.
Live your Life and enjoy all you have achieved, enjoy the company of those you Love and all that fills your Life with purpose.

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posted June 21, 2012 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It must have felt good to get that out Elizabeth.

I have dealt with nasty people, but never been bullied...or never felt like I had been. I was lucky. In school, they left me alone for some reason.

I had a friend who was not so lucky and got picked on in a few classes (i was not there with her, otherwise would have protected/ stuck up for her)

I'd imagine something like that could cut deep and stick with you for awhile, if it were bad enough and went on for a long time.

I wish you healing and closure.

As one poster said: Be a strong, determined, self-directed, woman who inspires and nurtures others.

There are too many people out there who just want to tear you down. Stay strong and don't let them.

It gets easier as you get older.......and wiser.

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