posted March 13, 2012 10:35 AM            

Yet does the limiting of viagra, based on a personal reflection of the anti-abortion bills, really show equality or have a valid basis ?

Third female lawmaker introduces bill to limit men’s Viagra access:

Democratic Ohio state Sen. Nina Turner is the third female lawmaker to introduce a bill that would limit men's access to Viagra and other erectile dysfunction drugs to make a statement about the dozens of anti-abortion bills that have passed statehouses around the country over the last year.

Turner is opposed to a proposed bill that would prohibit abortion after a fetal heartbeat is detected, which can happen as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. The Dayton Daily News reports that Turner's bill would mandate that men seeking Viagra be "tested for heart problems, receive counseling about possible side effects and receive information about 'pursuing celibacy as a viable lifestyle choice.'"

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posted March 14, 2012 01:03 PM            

One note from my personal experiences.
One fellow could not achieve or hold an erection due to major abdominal surgery where the scaring from the huge incision scar about an inch wide,
cut deeply into the base of his penis, resulting in decreased blood flow and nerve damage.
A penis stimulated several times a day,
will eventually grow new blood vessels, often on the outside of the shaft of the penis and yes result in a veined look but hey, more texture!
And nerves will grow/reroute in time also.
After about 6 months of taking my advice,
he returned to the Cleveland Clinic for a checkup on his sexual dysfunction.
The doctors and case managers there were amazed and asked him what had changed,
other than the fact that he could get it on up to 5 times a day!
Well to cut to the chase,
I received a phone call from the Cleveland Clinic.
They wanted the details of my sexual dysfunction advice.

PS.
Adequate Zinc is also important.
Oddly too, cola drinks, sugar or diet,
or any caramel coloring can affect some men and cause swelling of the testes, and pain, and yes, troubles with achieving erections.
Avoiding those things can reverse the problems in about 6 weeks or less.
The big thing is, "exercise" your penis every day whether you want to or not.
Often that will mean masturbation.
"Use it or lose it" guys.

posted March 14, 2012 01:46 PM            

Of course the true fanatics (even if they'd be adversely affected by such legislation) would actually support it, but that would alienate a lot of men (who currently don't care because anti-women and anti-gay legislation doesn't affect them) from the fanatics.

Hopefully, however, the wing nuts are going to suffer in 2012, and there's a chance of it given that many who are being wing nuts got elected promising jobs to moderates and independents and then infuriated those who elected them (including at least a few moderate Republicans) by abandoning their promises to instead wage a war on women, gays, and even "reaffirming God" in the government. But if it turns out the wing nuts are now the mainstream I'm gonna actually look into immigrating to Canada sooner rather than later before the USA becomes the next Iran, or more specifically, the Republic of Gilead out of the The Handmaid's Tale.

posted March 14, 2012 03:04 PM            

Just like the friggin Obama mandating that faith based institutions pay for birth control...well if the insurers of the "faith based institutions" would bother to research, not all forms of "birth control" are issued for such...ie: like keeping a perimenopausal woman from bleeding 24/7 (yea me)

Enter Viagra et al. Viagra is a vasodilator, it does not enable a man to ejaculate, only get it up. There will be no babies from Viagra, and I only know this, not being a nurse (ewww want to keep out of that one) but because I got curious one day, and asked some male nurses.

I really dont understand, from a man or a women's point of view what fun that is...not being able to "finish" the project.

I, for one, dont want to be on the recieving end of...well...nothing~

Abortion is a woman's choice!!! There are many, many, many reasons a woman may choose to abort, other that her percieved/assumed irresponsibility with birth control (ahm..where was the dude when the subject of birth control came up...WAIT! it probably didnt~)

For instance my now 20 year old daughter...She was so upset at 16 as was her bfriend, they used condoms, but something happened...and these young kids should be penalized for it? Not to mention the unborn, and not to mention my kid was born with a severe heart defect and PREGNANCY COULD KILL HER! As per the blessed be, that fetus aborted itself, but if it hadnt some fgiggin idiot governmental body had better not be telling me what is right and what is wrong.

GOsh...this sujbect really irks me. One of the reasons I want to go into holistic woman's healthcare.

Forget the corporate world, forget the government, nobody is going to take care of us besides us!!!

Good thread, Juni~

posted March 14, 2012 04:06 PM            

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Lexx, leave it to a Scorio lady to know all that!!!

XCELLENT!

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Additionally I totally agree with your previous post!

posted March 14, 2012 05:56 PM            

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before the USA becomes the next Iran

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Believe it or not, the Iranian government is actually less crazy on the topic of birth control than the Republicans (their other government policies are obviously another matter).

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Realizing "the costs of this burgeoning population were going to far exceed its capacity to provide adequate food, education, housing and employment",[6] Iran's government "declared that Islam favored families with only two children", as one historian put it.[7] Iran's Health Ministry launched a nationwide campaign and introduced contraceptives - pills, condoms, IUDs, implants, tubal ligations, and vasectomies.[8]

In 1993, Parliament passed further legislation withdrawing food coupons, paid maternity leave, and social welfare subsidies after the third child. Birth control classes were required before a couple could get married. Dozens of mobile teams were sent to remote parts of the country to offer free vasectomies and tubal ligations.[8]

By 2001, an Iranian condom factory produced more than 70 million condoms a year, "packaged in French or English to suggest that they are imported", according to a foreign reporter.[8] By this time Iran's population growth rate had dropped from an all-time high of 3.2% in 1986 to just 1.2%, one of the fastest drops ever recorded.[citation needed] In reducing its population growth to this level — a rate that is only slightly higher than that of the United States — Iran emerged as a model for other countries that want to lessen the risk of overpopulation. In 2007 Iran's Total Fertility Rate had dropped to 1.71 with a net out-migration of 4.29 ‰ (and population 65 M).

Explaining the change in religious doctrine on population during a birth control workshop in 1995, Deputy Health Minister Husein Malek-Afzali stated "Islam is a flexible religion".

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posted March 14, 2012 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
The Dayton Daily News reports that Turner's bill would mandate that men seeking Viagra be "tested for heart problems, receive counseling about possible side effects and receive information about 'pursuing celibacy as a viable lifestyle choice.'"

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posted March 15, 2012 08:51 AM            

Rick Santorum has stated that he believes abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape, and that the rape victim should accept her baby as "a gift from God." (Bear in mind that the rapist father would potentially have visitation rights for the next 18 years.)

In Kansas, the legislature has proposed a bill that would allow doctors to legally lie to pregnant women about what their ultrasounds show, if the doctor believed an abortion might result. This is true even if what's on the ultrasound is a medical issue that could kill the pregnant woman.

posted March 15, 2012 09:54 AM            

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Enter Viagra et al. Viagra is a vasodilator, it does not enable a man to ejaculate, only get it up. There will be no babies from Viagra, and I only know this, not being a nurse (ewww want to keep out of that one) but because I got curious one day, and asked some male nurses.

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Which brings me back to my first reaction to the article.

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Nina Turner is the third female lawmaker to introduce a bill that would limit men's access to Viagra and other erectile dysfunction drugs to make a statement about the dozens of anti-abortion bills that have passed statehouses around the country over the last year.

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I clearly don`t see the connection of viagra to the anti-abortion bills

YoursTruely,

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That bill makes complete sense to me. I'm a man. Viagra is evil. I don't see what in the world is so important about sex that a wife would risk her husband having heart attack and stroke. If I were to become impotent, I would proudly become celibate.

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I`m a woman but I agree with you 100%, especially after reading hippichick`s post

posted March 15, 2012 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:

That bill makes complete sense to me. I'm a man. Viagra is evil. I don't see what in the world is so important about sex that a wife would risk her husband having heart attack and stroke. If I were to become impotent, I would proudly become celibate.

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It vasodilates, that is why the disclaimer on the commercials re: blood pressure medicine. It can severly drop your blood pressure as vessesl are dilated,, that is how it works, dilated blood vessels in the penis so the organ can become engorged with blood.

As a matter of fact, Viagra is notorious for for delaying ejacuation as the organ can become so ingorged ejacutalion is not possible.

posted March 15, 2012 11:23 AM            

Hopefully those who are listening to her are doing their research.

posted March 15, 2012 01:14 PM            

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This woman's credibility is non existant.

Hopefully those who are listening to her are doing their research.

A reason I dont vote, darn politicians are full of it and will do anything to get noticed!

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I might be wrong, but I suspect Nina Turner doesn't literally think Viagra and abortion are equivalent.

She is making the point that women are being called "prostitutes" for wanting access to basic birth control, while the male use of Viagra goes unchallenged. It's a double standard that women having sex is "shameful" while men having sex is something they're entitled to.

As for getting attention - GOOD! More attention should be paid to the Republican efforts to take away women's healthcare. If it takes a phony Viagra amendment to do it, so be it.

posted March 15, 2012 02:29 PM            

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The Obama administration, however, mandated that private plans cover contraception because doing so will save money, unlike coverage of Rush’s Viagra, which does cost the taxpayers money if he bought it through an employer-provided plan. Limbaugh made the news pages sometime ago when he was stopped with a bottle of Viagra as he was returning from the Dominican Republic, with four men to whom he was not married. He was detained because the Viagra was issued pursuant to a prescription in his doctor’s name, but once he signed an affidavit that it was in fact for his personal use, the matter was dropped.

Now, I don’t begrudge Rush his Viagra, if he has a problem with erectile dysfunction (though I certainly to do not favor posting his activities on YouTube). It would be nice, however, if Rush were to admit the taxpayer role in paying for his pills

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posted March 16, 2012 10:25 AM            

They determine what they cover, for how long, etc.

So either way, the insurance companies are going to do what they want to .

When my meds become "routine" and I think this is deemed after 3 months, then they go up to full price, or at the very least the highest tier of copay.

posted March 18, 2012 12:32 PM            

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is our heartfelt belief that medically assisted erections are immoral; and we refuse to be associated, in any way, with the distribution of ED pharmaceuticals. Therefore, we demand that the federal government exempt the thousands of hospitals and educational institutions owned by our religious order from having to provide ED drugs to our male employees. Why? Because drugs like Viagra encourage men to have sex other than for procreation, which (duh!) leads to the need for contraception and abortion

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I, as well as others of my order, will never stop from twisting the meaning of religious liberty to get our way on this issue. Be clear. We are the victims here in this battle for morality and religious freedom because we are not being allowed to impose our religious beliefs on everyone else

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