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Topic: What is it about abortion...
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Ami Anne
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posted April 18, 2012 06:52 PM
  
With partial birth abortion, a baby can be PUSHED back in, seconds away from birth, and killed.How do people justify that? I don't get it.------------------
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Aquacheeka
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posted April 18, 2012 07:26 PM
A fetus does not have the neurological or nerve capacity to perceive pain until 24 weeks, so how could it have a soul at 13?
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Ami Anne
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posted April 18, 2012 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
A fetus does not have the neurological or nerve capacity to perceive pain until 24 weeks, so how could it have a soul at 13?
#Justasking
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Frozen Queen
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posted April 18, 2012 09:12 PM
Abortions after the first trimester are rare so the whole Right Wing thing about murder is just drama cooked up to ensnare voters. If they care so much about the sanctity of life, why are they anti-welfare? Why do they demand wars? Why are they Islamophobic and xenophobic? Why do some right wingers want to move against Iran? How many of these politicians have children in the Army? Fcuking W@nkers!"Sanctity of life" my @ss!!! ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 18, 2012 09:19 PM
You better hope Iran doesn't get nuclear or you are gonna be in as much trouble as everyone else, unless you are bionic  ------------------
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Lexxigramer
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posted April 18, 2012 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
A fetus does not have the neurological or nerve capacity to perceive pain until 24 weeks, so how could it have a soul at 13?
#Justasking
That is untrue.
Premmies born as early as 20 weeks have lived.
And they are quite able to feel pain. 
I theorize that the soul is not fully awake betwixt about 13 and 20 weeks or so, unless awakened by premmie birth or pain.
During my 26+ pregnancies,
I sensed to be kind of blissful dreaming,
but then after 20 weeks or so I sensed consciousness and reactions to outside stimuli.
A foetus operated on in the womb have indeed exhibited sense of pain before 20 weeks.
I feel that fully developed is not required to host a soul and generate an aura.
The foetus merely needs to have all its main body parts even though still requiring time to mature.
I was born at 26 weeks or so.
I know of many folks born at 20 to 24 weeks.
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Aquacheeka
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posted April 18, 2012 11:01 PM
Well it's not like I pulled this out of my a**. Here is the evidence:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/blogs/the-huma n-condition/2010/06/25/does-the-fetus-feel-pain-uk-report-says-no.html
Having said this it doesn't mean there are not outliers/exceptions. It's just that they are far from the norm.
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Lonake
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posted April 18, 2012 11:50 PM
The bit re:the docs was signed in yesterday.
But there was no mention of any other act in the same story. That law will render 2 docs at their abortion clinic unable to perform abortions. So that leaves 1 since the articles make it sound like they have 3 docs in 1 clinic in the state-and that's it.IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted April 18, 2012 11:51 PM
This thread is starting to take on an oddly strange angle. Let's not worry ourselves with the technicality of abortion procedures or soul incarnation specifics. Not much can be proven in that regard. If you don't support abortion then don't ever get one. If you do feel free to exercise what very limited right you have as a women in our society to make a decision for yourself. Pro-choice! IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 19, 2012 12:09 AM
Here's the article I was referencing above,
Mississippi Law Tightens Requirements for Abortion Providers http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304818404577350211179795738.html and then,
Mississippi "Heartbeat" Ban Returns http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/04/10/mississippi-heartbeat-ban-returns
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The new heartbeat ban has now been added to a bill that will "increases the maximum imprisonment for child homicide to 30 years." The bill defines any abortion that occurs after a heartbeat can be detected to be defined as a homicide, unless the pregnant woman was a victim of rape or incest or the pregnancy could endanger her life.
^ you have to prove the rape, they don't just take your word for it.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted April 19, 2012 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
This thread is starting to take on an oddly strange angle. Let's not worry ourselves with the technicality of abortion procedures or soul incarnation specifics. Not much can be proven in that regard. If you don't support abortion then don't ever get one. If you do feel free to exercise what very limited right you have as a women in our society to make a decision for yourself. Pro-choice!
The technical things matter to some people. So,if people want to talk about abortion, they open themselves up to others who want to talk about the soul and the spirit involved in abortion.
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 19, 2012 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The technical things matter to some people. So,if people want to talk about abortion, they open themselves up to others who want to talk about the soul and the spirit involved in abortion.
You see though, in regards to sparing the soul of a fetus, that's not your decision or mine to make. It's up to those who have chosen to have or not have an abortion. It's there legal right. But you have to respect those who views are very different from yours and might choose to have an abortion. And they have to respect you and the views you have in regards to abortion. However, this shouldn't be your concern. Don't worry about people who choose to have abortions. It's there civic right. Just worry about yourself. No women should have anything outside her self dictating what to do with her body. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 19, 2012 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
You see though, in regards to sparing the soul of a fetus, that's not your decision or mine to make. It's up to those who have chosen to have or not have an abortion. It's there legal right. Bit you have to respect those who views are very different from yours and might choose to have an abortion. And they have to respect you and the views you have in regards to abortion. However, this shouldn't be your concern. Don't worry about people who choose to have abortions. It's there civic right. Just worry about yourself. No women should have anything outside her self dictating what to do with her body.
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 19, 2012 09:43 AM
Yes Ami Anne, this is a discussion. However, re-read the OP's question. She's concerned with the controversy surrounding women's issues, and the recent bills that have been or are attempting to be passed in certain states, limiting the right of a women to have choices. You pose a question to me that you should also ask yourself. I'm very aware that this is a discussion. I've stated my views regarding the misogyny of a few politically powerful men, the misguided attempts of religious fanatics and the controversy of all these groups within society in trying to limit the freedoms of women specifically. But getting into the nitty gritty of this procedure in itself, can be offensive to those on either side of this debate. As I've understood it, the OP is concerned with the current CONTROVERSY surrounding women's issues particularly abortion, not the technicality surrounding the procedure of abortion itself. This is a very sensitive issue and it's of the utmost importance to be very mindful of others when discussing it. This actually should probably be in GU. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 19, 2012 09:46 AM
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What is it about abortion that threatens people so much?
The OP asked this question. Did she not? This question is asking Why? I am answering her posed question. ------------------
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 19, 2012 10:13 AM
I don't want to derail this thread. This thread seemed to me, to be about the controversy surrounding abortion as a women's issue in our society. In theory, though, abortion is legal, even if attempts to restrict it are prominent in certain states by certain groups of people. Regardless of what anyone thinks on either side of this issue, I'll personally advocate for the protection of a women's right to choose. No mandate has the right to restrict a women or a man from doing what they choose to with their bodies. Once again the courts have spoken, abortion is legal! That's why this controversy is completely inane. Let's not go back 40 years, socially and politically.You might want to limit the right of women to have abortions Ami Anne, and that's fine. We've now had a discussion, and I'm escorting myself out of this discussion, because all I can do in regards to this topic and you, is agree to disagree. To much energy has already been wasted on this topic. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 19, 2012 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
I don't want to derail this thread. This thread seemed to me, to be about the controversy surrounding abortion as a women's issue in our society. In theory, though, abortion is legal, even if attempts to restrict it are prominent in certain states by certain groups of people. Regardless of what anyone thinks on either side of this issue, I'll personally advocate for the protection of a women's right to choose. No mandate has the right to restrict a women or a man from doing what they choose to with their bodies. Once again the courts have spoken, abortion is legal! That's why this controversy is completely inane. Let's not go back 40 years, socially and politically.You might want to limit the right of women to have abortions Ami Anne, and that's fine. We've now had a discussion, and I'm escorting myself out of this discussion, because all I can do in regards to this topic and you, is agree to disagree. To much energy has already been wasted on this topic.
The thread asked the question of why people reacted so strongly to abortion. I gave my reasons and other people gave theirs. I think that is what the person wanted to know or she would not have asked the question
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Delilah
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posted April 19, 2012 12:03 PM
I think we need to be open to discussing abortion and not shut each other down or be disrespectful, regardless of views. I'd rather that we, as women, discuss this more widely and openly than allowing men/politicians to decide for us. Talking about whether or not a fetus has a soul is the main argument for those who want to legally ban abortion for everyone. It's impossible to have this discussion without bringing this matter up. I welcome different opinions and information as long as both are shared respectfully. It is possible to agree and disagree with each other without becoming so touchy. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 19, 2012 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Delilah:
I think we need to be open to discussing abortion and not shut each other down or be disrespectful, regardless of views. I'd rather that we, as women, discuss this more widely and openly than allowing men/politicians to decide for us. Talking about whether or not a fetus has a soul is the main argument for those who want to legally ban abortion for everyone. It's impossible to have this discussion without bringing this matter up. I welcome different opinions and information as long as both are shared respectfully. It is possible to agree and disagree with each other without becoming so touchy.
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 19, 2012 12:34 PM
Delilah,I see your point. Doesn't it seem counter productive to argue a point that can't be proven though? We can't prove that a fetus does or doesn't have a soul. It seems like an inadequate premise for an argument because it can't even be scientifically proven. Yes, hooray for discourse. And it's awesomeness that we're all taking about this very controversial topic. However, some of these arguments seem to me, to be a bit unqualified because they can't be verified. And I'm talking about the broad arguments against abortion on a national level. That's all just my opinion though, and now I'm grooving out of this thread. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 19, 2012 01:04 PM
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Yes, hooray for discourse.
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Lonake
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posted April 19, 2012 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
You see though, in regards to sparing the soul of a fetus, that's not your decision or mine to make. It's up to those who have chosen to have or not have an abortion. It's there legal right. Bit you have to respect those who views are very different from yours and might choose to have an abortion. And they have to respect you and the views you have in regards to abortion. However, this shouldn't be your concern. Don't worry about people who choose to have abortions. It's there civic right. Just worry about yourself. No women should have anything outside her self dictating what to do with her body.
Ohhh........  So the objection was because you didn't like the opinions of those who are anti-abortion at a certain stage of the pregnancy, or anti-abortion at all. You just want them to see how the law is written & abide even if they don't like it or agree. quote:
Yes Ami Anne, this is a discussion. However, re-read the OP's question. She's concerned with the controversy surrounding women's issues, and the recent bills that have been or are attempting to be passed in certain states, limiting the right of a women to have choices. You pose a question to me that you should also ask yourself. I'm very aware that this is a discussion. I've stated my views regarding the misogyny of a few politically powerful men, the misguided attempts of religious fanatics and the controversy of all these groups within society in trying to limit the freedoms of women specifically.But getting into the nitty gritty of this procedure in itself, can be offensive to those on either side of this debate. As I've understood it, the OP is concerned with the current CONTROVERSY surrounding women's issues particularly abortion, not the technicality surrounding the procedure of abortion itself. This is a very sensitive issue and it's of the utmost importance to be very mindful of others when discussing it. This actually should probably be in GU.
So some threads can be turned into a debate of sorts, while others can't? That's being awfully choosy.
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Lonake
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posted April 19, 2012 01:22 PM
Delilah, did you read the link I posted re: the news on the 17th?
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Ami Anne
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posted April 19, 2012 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
So some threads can be turned into a debate of sorts, while others can't? That's being awfully choosy.
EXACTLY
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 19, 2012 02:09 PM
Dear Lonake, you've had a bone to pick with me recently. It must be a transit. Well, I won't be allowing you to put words into my mouth, thanks for trying though. I stand by what I stated, feel free to continue to interpret it how you please. I however, in no way shape or form gave a criteria for thread debates. I inquired about the direction of this thread in relation to the original post. Delilah, the OP responded in respect, and the world became a clearer place. You might be trying to instigate something with me, however, I won't be taking that bait. Ami Anne and I had our discussion and I suggested we agree to disagree. I have no desire to have a further discussion with you about the same inane arguments. By all means though, continue to pry, I'll keep my views in relation to this topic in particular to other threads. Getting heated on Sweet Peas seems self defeating. Thanks for being so concerned about my comments. It's nice to have my Venus in Leo, flames fanned...all press is good press. 
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