posted April 24, 2012 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I'm both a conservative and a Christian. I don't know about being a social conservative. Like I mentioned, I believe that the government ought to focus on performing its traditional role, which it is already woefully failing. There is no place got government interference in the individual life decisions in an open democracy. Anyway, I don't like labels. Please refrain from suggesting that a certain class of individuals are uneducated or need to be educated. I received the best education one can receive and more than triple my fair share. Please understand that such insults constitute mud slinging and are blatantly unfair.

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posted April 24, 2012 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I'm both a conservative and a Christian. I don't know about being a social conservative. Like I mentioned, I believe that the government ought to focus on performing its traditional role, which it is already woefully failing. There is no place got government interference in the individual life decisions in an open democracy. Anyway, I don't like labels. Please refrain from suggesting that a certain class of individuals are uneducated or need to be educated. I received the best education one can receive and more than triple my fair share. Please understand that such insults constitute mud slinging and are blatantly unfair.

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Keep in mind, YTA, if you are socially liberal but fiscally conservative and your description indicates that you seem to be, in the strictest possible sense you are actually Libertarian (I've actually studied political spectrums). Conservatism in its rawest sense means support of government limitations/interference on social and democratic freedoms; really, all those but the right to bear arms, the same way that liberals support government interference in an economic sense/Keynesian policies.

posted April 24, 2012 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

I would also add that fiscal conservatives in particular do not perform more poorly on exams than their liberal counterparts, in stark contrast to social conservatives. They are the accountants, as opposed to the military commanders.

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Much of my family isn't American. However, I'll let it be known that my cousin is a Major General and a military aviator. Coming to my point, not only is he educated but he is excessively so. Royal Sandhurst Academy, Cambridge University Masters, Harvard Masters in Public Administration, MIT PhD in Electrical Engineering, Stanford MBA. All with high distinction.

I am myself a Major. I am US Army Ranger trained. I have an Ivy League college education, a Masters in Economics, a MBA and a Masters in International Affairs.

My younger brother is a Lieutenant Colonel and an artillery commander. He has a Columbia BA, a Yale Masters and a Harvard MBA.

Did I hear you say that the military lacks education?

posted April 24, 2012 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Much of my family isn't American. However, I'll let it be known that my cousin is a Major General and a military aviator. Coming to my point, not only is he educated but he is excessively so. Royal Sandhurst Academy, Cambridge University Masters, Harvard Masters in Public Administration, MIT PhD in Electrical Engineering, Stanford MBA. All with high distinction.

I am myself a Major. I am US Army Ranger trained. I have an Ivy League college education, a Masters in Economics, a MBA and a Masters in International Affairs.

My younger brother is a Lieutenant Colonel and an artillery commander. He has a Columbia BA, a Yale Masters and a Harvard MBA.

Did I hear you say that the military lacks education?

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(sigh) YTA, I cannot reason with someone who is determined to take offense. I already explained to you the basis of my assertion. I am by no means saying that ALL conservatives are uneducated, but if you want to compare macro-level groups (if you're insistent upon doing so), are military personnelle more educated as a group than scientists? Because the former skews conservative and the latter overwhelmingly skews liberal. Furthermore, an example of a far-left public institution is Harvard University. An example of a far-right public institution is Bob Jones University and they teach creationism.

To say that people who self-identify as liberal more consistently have postsecondary education is by no means to suggest that ALL people who self-identify as conservatives lack higher education. If you want to take everything I say as a personal insult, you can by all means do so. Or you can take a breath, detach yourself objectively, and maybe take a look at the following studies: http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201002/conservatism-linke d-lack-education http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-26/health/l iberals.atheists.sex.intelligence_1_sexual-behaviors-liberalism-exclusivity?_s=PM:HEALTH http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harlan-green/wealthiest-states_b_1286389.html

posted April 24, 2012 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I understand that and appreciate what you are doing. However, I don't identify myself with the Libertarian crowd and I'm at tremendous odds with Ron Paul and would never vote for him. Therefore, I'm a fiscal conservative with strong Christian views, but I'm not going to be in your face like what is regarded as a social conservative. I'm not ideologically driven. I'm driven by the bottom line. My neighbor has been unemployed for 14 months. I just paid $4.55 per gallon today at the gas station. College for my son costs $65K a year today. My real wage per unit of labor (how much more unconservative can I get?) is declining. We are engaged in three wars with no mission for success or an exit strategy. Will Mitt do any better? Who knows. Probably not. But there are too many things on my mind that affect our real lives than to worry about some arcane laws from some sleazoid politicians.

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posted April 24, 2012 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Oliviaaa:
You don't help your case in anyway

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posted April 24, 2012 04:50 PM            

So it would seem that Republicans and I don't agree on what constitutes "human."

posted April 24, 2012 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
And I'm in an inter-racial marriage myself and I'm a conservative.

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posted April 24, 2012 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
And I'm in an inter-racial marriage myself and I'm a conservative.

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posted April 24, 2012 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Much of my family isn't American. However, I'll let it be known that my cousin is a Major General and a military aviator. Coming to my point, not only is he educated but he is excessively so. Royal Sandhurst Academy, Cambridge University Masters, Harvard Masters in Public Administration, MIT PhD in Electrical Engineering, Stanford MBA. All with high distinction.

I am myself a Major. I am US Army Ranger trained. I have an Ivy League college education, a Masters in Economics, a MBA and a Masters in International Affairs.

My younger brother is a Lieutenant Colonel and an artillery commander. He has a Columbia BA, a Yale Masters and a Harvard MBA.

Did I hear you say that the military lacks education?

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posted April 24, 2012 05:48 PM            

This topic is going off tract from the topic of;
Miscarriage a crime????????????

I will close this thread if people keep getting offended.
If one is offended than maybe they feel guilty on some level?
If not, than chill out and accept that no one here is being labeled a bad conservative or Republican or Christian;
so unless you are indeed guilty, chill out.

posted April 24, 2012 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I would welcome the opportunity to broaden my experiences. I would love to meet one - just one - Republican who was not a purveyor of misinformation (for example, espousing the factually inaccurate myth that homosexuality is a "choice" and so gays should not be allowed to get married). It's my hope that I may one day do so. If there are indeed Republicans who disagree with these doctrines and the direction that the party is going, I wish they would have the courage to stand up and vocally oppose these messages.

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Here's one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAOkwjQdm6Q

And think about it, he supports FULL equality. Not even President Obama (who has been the best POTUS the gay community has ever had) is that enlightened.

Granted, I doubt he'll ever be more than a mayor. The evangelicals really gnashed their teeth when he made that speech.

posted April 24, 2012 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Here's one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAOkwjQdm6Q

And think about it, he supports FULL equality. Not even President Obama (who has been the best POTUS the gay community has ever had) is that enlightened.

Granted, I doubt he'll ever be more than a mayor. The evangelicals really gnashed their teeth when he made that speech.

I'm thinking of replying to someone else, too, but I'd need to do a net search and verify what I think and I don't have time to do that yet, so I'm just throwing that out there just in case this thread becomes the latest thread to get locked because of hissy fits before I can get back to this.

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What a wonderful example It's really inspiring that he took that route instead of the hypocritical stance taken by so, so many Republicans (the many Republican gay sex scandals: http://www.badmouth.net/top-five-republican-gay-sex-scandals/ http://www.xtra.ca/blog/national/post/2011/08/29/Time-for-another-Republican -gay-sex-scandal!.aspx http://news.change.org/stories/yet-another-republican-gay-sex-scandal http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-08-13/news/29902758_1_gay-marriage-craigslist-em ails
Strom Thurmond having opposed civil rights for blacks while secretly fathering a mulatto child, etc.).

posted April 24, 2012 06:56 PM            

How many of you women (besides Ami Anne) have had children die on them or have had miscarriages? Many of you aren't even mothers.

posted April 24, 2012 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Sorry to put it bluntly. I'm not a woman so I have not had a miscarriage. However I have supported my wife through three miscarriages and two deaths.

How many of you women (besides Ami Anne) have had children die on them or have had miscarriages? Many of you aren't even mothers.

In that case, you know how absurd this legislation is. Why is there even debate over something some whackos want to legislate?

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Once woman have children, radical abortion viewpoints often change. I can't see a woman who has had a baby condone partial birth abortion. The whole thing makes no common sense imho

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posted April 24, 2012 07:26 PM            

Because these wackos are succeding.

10 States With the Most Shocking Anti-Woman Legislation

posted April 24, 2012 07:31 PM            

personally I found the inference that Aquacheeka must be a "very hateful person" more offensive than the post itself.

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