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PixieJane
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posted January 16, 2013 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From time to time (including a couple of days ago) I'll come across or otherwise hear about how "S-E-X" can be found hidden in some movie for kids. But what no one can tell me is why this is a bad thing or what the goal would be (other than animators trying to see what they can get past the radar to brag to the other animators about, that is as a game they play among themselves). It's extremely rare that I find such a claim (or similar one about hidden "sexual subliminals") credible but there are a handful that I thought sounded likely, but my question is so what?

That is, are they scared the kids are going to start an orgy with each other? Or that say Disney is encouraging parents to have more kids to buy more Disney tickets & products? Or what? And if they think it would affect the kids then why wouldn't kids see "S-E-X" as say meaning "gender" rather than a verb?

I was 7 when I first encountered this (and in case it matters I was aware of the basics of sex having spent years on a farm, seeing a lot of breeding, and living in homes with thin walls and drunken adults, and I'd also seen naked boys my own age, not that there was anything erotic about it), though it wasn't a movie. Pepsi had just come out with special cans that had many Texans outraged by the subliminal S-E-X (explained by the link I just gave), and especially didn't want their children exposed to that. But my 'rents ended up getting a case (though they normally didn't get Pepsi, but this was too cool to them) and while they were drunk Dad stacked 2 cans and kept asking me, "What's that spell?" (With lots of, "You're a smart girl, can you tell me what this says?" as Mom laughed). With some encouragement and looking real hard (and half-guessing, half-reading) I finally read, "Sex." I just felt confused as they both started laughing hard and Dad rewarding me by giving me a Pepsi to drink. If it had any effect on me I have no awareness of it, but I couldn't say it warped my mind, and I do believe drinking too much alcohol is much more likely to lead to irresponsible sex than a subliminal S-E-X.

So what exactly is the big deal supposed to be?

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posted January 16, 2013 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swift Freeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Society has tried to ingrain a negative emotional relationship with sex. Mainly that it is shameful. For the most part, they have been gloriously successful. You look at many places in the world, where they don't even give children a basic understanding of sex. It is something that a lot of people look down on, do their best to degrade, and impart a sense of social stigma and shame attached to it.

In part, this is done by society as a whole, through media of all sorts, advertising, education, and most of all, those in our lives. Parents, families, and other adult figures we spend time learning from.

My views on subliminal messages about sex. It is a powerful motivator for humanity, it is after all our drive to procreate that is one of the strongest. I don't necessarily have any problem with it, until it is used in such a way that the adverts use it to suggest that without their product you are not 'sexy'. etc.

How far do you want to take subliminal sex? You can argue that any article of clothing designed to highlight a particular feature of the body, is subliminal advertising for sex. You can argue that any perfume or such designed with pheromones is subliminal advertising for sex. Lipstick, lip gloss, ties, the whole of body language interaction between people can have a lot to do with subliminal advertising of sex. It is just as much a part of us, as it is the world we live in.

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posted January 17, 2013 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Society has tried to ingrain a negative emotional relationship with sex. Mainly that it is shameful. For the most part, they have been gloriously successful.

Yeah - Damn society!! Lets fight the f*cker!!


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On a more serious note... in western society things are much more laid back now, mainly when it comes to female sexuality. The change has been quite drastic.
I do not like dating-type shows like 'sex and the city' but they have their good points. It was definitely great to see a female character like Samantha on screen.

I do agree - that over the years this 'shaming' practice has been very prevalent and successful.
But - I see the light at the end of the tunnel & I feel like we are moving in the right direction.

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posted January 17, 2013 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me put it like this, when I was 11 I saw The Lion King, which supposedly had a subliminal S-E-X as explained here:
http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lionking.asp

Assuming it's true, and it was deliberately placed there as a subliminal, how was it supposed to affect me, or the 4-year-old who supposedly saw it? Many four-year-olds wouldn't make sense of the word even if they caught it (that's assuming they could even read in the first place), and I believe even if my mind caught it subconsciously that I'd have perceived it as a noun more than a verb.

I kinda like my theory (that is, if I actually believed it anything more than a prank at most) that it's a plot to get adults to have more kids so that they'll spend more money on Disney, but it seems to me that everyone thinks it somehow corrupts children rather than manipulating adults, and also that it's deliberately placed for some sinister purpose, though I never heard the evil conspiracy of a subliminal "S-E-X" clearly explained. Maybe it's just people getting the vapors over something mind boggling stupid and there simply is NO clear thought or theory about it.

ETA: surfing the net a little I did find the idea asserted that the Illuminati try to weaken the family through sexual liberation (basically anything other than "barefoot and pregnant" for women 20 and older as far as I can tell) because with a weakened family, they say, it's easier for them to control the masses for some reason (it didn't make sense to me because their main power came from the banks and I'd think people marrying young would be more likely to take out loans, etc, thus profiting the banks and thus profiting the Illuminati). So I suppose they'd say Disney (or Pepsi) was planting an obsession with sex in kids for the Illuminati so we'd be promiscuous as we got older and thus less likely to marry. Also, to get women into the workplace for some strange reason (by being more concerned with career over marriage, which comes from feminism which they assert comes from sexual liberation, and the entire feminist movement was engineered by the Illuminati). This is my guess after having read on a tangent of it, though going into other Disney subliminals it doesn't hold together (for example, the aroused minister would associate sex with marriage, I would think, and thus encourage marrying young).

Ah well, leave it to me to make sense out of nonsense since it's not like those who actually believe it could explain it in any coherent manner.

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posted January 17, 2013 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i wish they still shamed and supressed it lol j/k. seriously i dont think the obsession with sex nowadays is healthy at all... sex used to be something people did with people they were married to or atleast had been dating awhile. now people see someone hot and have sex the first night.... idk that doesnt seem right to me

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posted January 17, 2013 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^

They do still shame over it. I've heard tween girls get outraged over Hilary Duff (very popular among that crowd then) for sitting on a bed in a swimsuit for a music video (as it was too suggestive of sex).

It changes as they get older (not for all, and I've heard teen girls actually feel guilty for masturbating thinking they were cheating on their future and unmet husband!), but I believe it's a myth that society used to be chaste, even if increased prosperity and birth control have made marriage less necessary. And I still hear plenty complain about others met (typically guys met, but the reverse also happens at times) just wanting sex or moving too fast.

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posted January 17, 2013 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I think there are to things at cross purposes working:

-promiscuity can lead to problems
-Sex itself is healthy

Marketing is a hammer, not a scapel, so societies answer is to treat sexuality as "bad" thus the negative connotations to sex.

When imo, what is needed is a balance between healthy sex and Caligula.

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posted January 17, 2013 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Also, to get women into the workplace for some strange reason (by being more concerned with career over marriage, which comes from feminism which they assert comes from sexual liberation, and the entire feminist movement was engineered by the Illuminati)

There is no negative impact on the family structure due to 'sexual liberation' as you put it.
This is a religious fallacy.

We can still love and care about each other - and be sexually HONEST and in touch with our animal instincts - at the same time.

These rumours about the illuminati staging the feminist movement are more ridiculous than those 'end of the world predictions' we keep hearing about every second year.
In fact it's so beyond ridiculous - I can't even answer that paragraph. I am surprised you would even give this credence - but to each their own.

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try to weaken the family through sexual liberation (basically anything other than "barefoot and pregnant" for women 20 and older as far as I can tell)

LOL So is their idea of a perfect world - one where female sexuality is repressed?
Seriously?
This is what would make us *less* easy to control apparently?

LMAO... Talk about trying to brainwash people.

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how was it supposed to affect me, or the 4-year-old who supposedly saw it?

It wasn't!!
The only reason this became scandalous is... as per the article:

"When you want to charge a huge corporate conglomerate with slipping nasties into its supposedly wholesome children's films - it's best to pretend that an unwitting child made the discovery. This method increases the outrage factor - If a 4 yr old found the word SEX in a video all by himself, why then *anybody's* child might see it to"

This about MONEY. This is not about *reality* of whether or not the appearance of the word "SEX" on screen.. actually affects children.
It's about going after a RICH corporation and sucking them dry as much as you can.. over something entirely stupid (because this incident with "sex" accidentally appearing on screen... is pretty meaningless, in reality)

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posted January 17, 2013 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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They do still shame over it. I've heard tween girls get outraged over Hilary Duff (very popular among that crowd then) for sitting on a bed in a swimsuit for a music video (as it was too suggestive of sex).

I'm sure you would also hear many more 'tween' girls who had an entirely different opinion about the same video.


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I've heard teen girls actually feel guilty for masturbating thinking they were cheating on their future and unmet husband!)

ummm in which culture?
I live in Australia and I have not heard ANY girl my age say something like this - in my entire life. That includes highschool.
I'm sure there may be RARE cases out there of particularly traditional families - who may feel this way.
But this is by no means the norm in my generation in a western country (born in the 80s and 90s).

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posted January 17, 2013 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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i wish they still shamed and supressed it lol j/k.

I really hope you are indeed joking...

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posted January 17, 2013 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
I really hope you are indeed joking...

we need to cover the women like islamic countries do... the sirens are leading men astray. are you ok with that odette,are you? sheesh i figured a cap moon would understand this.

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posted January 17, 2013 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL Ok. So you are joking...

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posted January 17, 2013 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
America is far more sexually repressed than Australia and most European countries, despite what is depicted in movies/tv. We were founded by prudes and the Catholic guilt/s!ut shaming that goes on here is over the top conflicting what Hollywood shows. It is something I think about as a parent of a young daughter. I dont see sex being "sold" to her or her peers. And she wouldnt know if some shady organization were trying to. Imho.

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posted January 17, 2013 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
come on odette, you can be one of my muslim wives. i'll even let you ride in the backseat of the car with my other wives.

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posted January 17, 2013 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bridgetostars23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think we are repressed sexually as a culture. But if their is money to be made from it, we will use a twisted version of it to no end. It's similar to how we are with certain drugs and alcohol. We say No No No it's bad but then if their is money to be made it is okay and exploited. I think with the repression this creates sexual shame which creates all sorts of ways of dealing with that shame (some which turn into unhealthy things some which turn into what might be called "kinks" although they wouldn't even be called "kinks if they were allowed to be expressed naturally. I think shame in any form has the potential to create compulsive, secretive, destructive behaviors.

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posted January 17, 2013 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
These rumours about the illuminati staging the feminist movement are more ridiculous than those 'end of the world predictions' we keep hearing about every second year.
In fact it's so beyond ridiculous - I can't even answer that paragraph. I am surprised you would even give this credence - but to each their own.

I don't give it credence. You'll see I even qualify many of my statements with "if" among other things, I link to snopes which discredit the claims, and I think my calling it nonsense was a pretty big clue as well.

But as there are many who believe it (the Pepsi Sex actually made it on the local news and were talking about how it was affecting sales) I am wondering how it's supposed to be explained. When pressed I'm told to read books that they're not able to sum up for some reason (and I know from experience that if I did I wouldn't find any answers even attempted to be given) or even admitting they don't really know, only that it's EVIL...for some reason. Given how much of me is Air it drives me crazy as I try to understand an idea (and believing it or not is irrelevant, I just want to be able to understand what's being said, and I never can feel fully confident about refuting an idea if I can't even understand it).

And no one is going to go into court or publish books saying, "We want money, let's invent a fiction." (Or conversely, "Buy Coke, Pepsi is trying to turn your kids into sex crazed ***** .") Most people who promote fringe beliefs have a rhyme that can be understood, but the rhyme to this one eludes me, presumably because I'm missing some key conceits or beliefs that would make sense out of it that those who spread these urban legends have that is an unquestioned maxim to them (so unquestioned they forget to let the rest of us know). It's like people are pointing and shouting, "LOOK! All is lost!" And all I can ask is, "At what? Who's lost, and why?" Sometimes I feel like Alice in Wonderland.

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posted January 17, 2013 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
ummm in which culture?
I live in Australia and I have not heard ANY girl my age say something like this - in my entire life. That includes highschool.
I'm sure there may be RARE cases out there of particularly traditional families - who may feel this way.
But this is by no means the norm in my generation in a western country (born in the 80s and 90s).

I didn't say it was a norm. I said it changes as they get older, but not for all and then gave that as an extreme example, and the exclamation mark shows how stunned I was by it. My point is they're not all one night stand ***** .

As for where, I met them all at the same place, a goth club (one reason I laugh when I hear how sex crazed goths tend to be...though in general goths do tend to be more open minded, but I've detected much less of a meat market atmosphere in their places than I do most other cliques), though they were all Christian goths (not that I'm claiming all devout Christian goths are that way). But I've heard & read about it elsewhere. For example:
http://www.utne.com/Mind-Body/Dirty-Girls-Ministries-Evil-Female-Masturbation.aspx

Also, many women consider their guys masturbating to porn to be cheating on them, so it makes sense (from their perspective).

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posted January 18, 2013 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swift Freeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How is a four year old supposed to know what sex is? If you asked them to read the word, they might be able to pronounce it. I believe the majority would have no comprehension of what the word means. We learn what words mean contextually, by listening to our parents, and other figures in our early lives.

The process of learning a language, from baby to child is incredibly complicated. They have yet to really pinpoint any precise methodology. Children do not learn through either negative or positive reinforcement, nor do they learn by repetition. Learning a language as a child is incredibly complicated, and it is no small wonder that children from the age of generally 3 or 4 can hold a decent conversation about things with adults.

What my point is, is that children learn meaning of words contextually. If you hear the words sex, and it is discussed in a negative or derogatory context, it is more likely that the child will grow up with that unconscious association, and be somewhat predisposed to have that outlook on sex as a whole. Those children who hear about it in a more positive context will likely unconsciously associate it with a more positive outlook.

I believe that subliminal... messages of any sort, especially at a young age, help, and shape, our views on a wide variety of things, as a society. However, I highly doubt that subliminal sex messages in Disney films will have any impact on children who are younger than say, 9.

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