posted January 25, 2013 02:42 PM            

I feel lost without faith. I feel like I am walking through life empty. And I just cannot snap my fingers and start believing again. This is making me apathetic and sullen. It is hard to hang in there without any sort of support system, not even a metaphysical one.

posted January 25, 2013 02:56 PM            

It comes back in spurts and it's different now. My perspective has radically shifted, in some ways for the better. It's more zen-like and detatched and 'it is what it is' type of feeling now, rather than a steady solid unshakeable passionate thing.

Sometimes I feel like I've given up and other times it's more like surrender. Faith did not help me get through much of anything really and I felt abandoned by god too. It comes and it goes now and I don't rely so heavily on it anymore. It's freeing in a way.

That probably didnt make much sense. It's hard to explain. I think just letting yourself live and go through some things is all you can do. Your faith will probably come back in a new light when it's time to. I wouldnt worry to much or try to force it back.

posted January 25, 2013 02:57 PM            

This sort of the difference between philosophy and faith, one is a thought process the other an action.

posted January 25, 2013 02:59 PM            

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posted January 25, 2013 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Well Hera, the real test of any sort of Faith is to test it by trying to apply it in life.

This sort of the difference between philosophy and faith, one is a thought process the other an action.

IE, there can be leaps of faith, there are no leaps of philosophy.

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posted January 25, 2013 03:13 PM            

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If one has no personal philosophy, or faith, such crisis will appear often as there is nothing to stave them off save for the illusion of self well being.

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posted January 25, 2013 03:19 PM            

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It makes sense and it's similar to what I've experienced. But you see.. for me is/was important. I have always identified as an idealist. I have always been a BELIEVER. Put it on my Sag Moon conj Neptune. Guess what the Sabian for that one is (conjunction is exact) - The pope blessing the faithful The irony..

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LOL & yeah, I know what you mean. I had always been/felt the same. I was most surprised that something could ever rock my faith in the slightest, but things happened that did.

I have a few more thoughts, but will have to formulate them later when i'm less tired.

.....should look up the sabian for my Nept.....for fun....
i used to have them all written down somewhere....

Hang in there. I know you'll be alright and even come out the better and wiser for it.

posted January 25, 2013 03:49 PM            

I don't believe we exist just because, though. Something had to have created everything (or is that just a flawed logic?). And then you may wonder, what created it...? But, God doesn't need to have been created, and that is my faith, that God always has been and always will be despite everything.

Facing these issues is facing an abyss we don't yet know how to explore. Which brings me back to the top: if you want to explore the abyss, then you can very well try all you like, but if you're not comfortable facing that, or any unknown, no one should judge for it. OR life is what you make it.

posted January 25, 2013 04:34 PM            

Well, I gave myself this screen name because I realized a while ago that all I really have is faith. I have no assurance that my security will last; I could die tomorrow, my kids could die, everything could drop out from under me. (Scorpio NN, can you tell?)

But I have *faith* that there is a higher purpose to life, that there will always be love, and that love is enough. So even if I go through this life like a zombie or meet a tragic end, there is always a light inside of me trusting that it will reconnect with a fuller light on the other side. And that feeling...which is just a bet, but a little more than a bet...that feeling is what I call faith, and it sustains me.

Plus, you know...it's never dark everywhere at once, and we are a part of everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dxqolWJarg

This is just how I see it.

posted January 25, 2013 04:44 PM            

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Thanks for encouraging my inner gloom..

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posted January 25, 2013 09:52 PM            

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faith
/fāTH/
Noun

Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Synonyms
belief - trust - confidence - credence - credit

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hope
/hōp/
Noun
A feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen.
Verb
Want something to happen or be the case: "he's hoping for compensation"; "I hope that the kids are OK".
Synonyms
noun. expectation - expectancy - expectance - trust - promise
verb. trust - expect - anticipate

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posted January 26, 2013 03:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I <3 you Hera. One of my too-many-to-list girl crushes!

Well, I gave myself this screen name because I realized a while ago that all I really have is faith. I have no assurance that my security will last; I could die tomorrow, my kids could die, everything could drop out from under me. (Scorpio NN, can you tell?)

But I have *faith* that there is a higher purpose to life, that there will always be love, and that love is enough. So even if I go through this life like a zombie or meet a tragic end, there is always a light inside of me trusting that it will reconnect with a fuller light on the other side. And that feeling...which is just a bet, but a little more than a bet...that feeling is what I call faith, and it sustains me.

Plus, you know...it's never dark everywhere at once, and we are a part of everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dxqolWJarg

This is just how I see it.

Hope you feel better soon!

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posted January 26, 2013 10:39 AM            

I'm fairly agnostic as far as metaphysics go but I think that if there's a truly spiritual reality (as opposed to the spirit being metaphoric on how we understand the physical psychologically) that our higher purpose (and the "soul" that would survive corporal death) would be a template, or a root if you prefer, that could be accessed through self-hypnosis, meditation, and freeing one's self from constant distractions. There are plenty of modern shamanic techniques for that as well, and if I were to pursue that I think I'd use a cave (careful!) as I've done once before, perhaps with someone trusted to drum for me and who would have the patience to take the time to do it right without a lot of pressure.

If I were looking for a specific divine interaction then I think I'd meditate on a mythic tree I once had a vision of that led me to Freya (and many other religions feature mystical trees as well), and I'd do it in an "in between" place (beach between land & sea, cave or mountain between land & air, etc) at an "in between" time (dusk/dawn/midnight/noon and/or Midwinter/Midsummer/Beltane/Samhain being best).

posted January 26, 2013 02:16 PM            

Getting it back, was a very slow process, and in the end, nothing what I really did made me regain it, from a certain point on it was more like it was given to me; not because I earned or deserved it, but because I needed it.

In the mean time I learned a lot about real tolerance, forgiveness and acceptance, and the difference to just resignation, ignorance and simply accepting something cause you cant change it. NOT real tolerance.
Learned a lot about humility as well.

And also learned (and am still learning) that one of the biggest steps is not only forgiving others, but also forgive myself for whatever I thought I was guilty of or faulty for (usually thoughts-systems in my case).

Actually this is the HARDEST part. But I find that forgiveness (not forgetting about what was or downplaying what was, but leaving it where it belongs, in the past) is crucial for being able to move on and trust in yourself again.

Apart from that a lot about my faith came back to me in the reflection of others.

Oh and I maybe had a little help with the big guys up there (of course they probably were crushing my raison d`etre in the first place. ).

Most prominently I recall:
Tr Uranus conjunct Moon
(that is when it slowly started)

Tr Saturn opposite MOon
(MAJOR Setback; never been as depressed as then)

Tr Pluto conjunct Sun and Mercury
at the same time
Tr Neptune conjunct Moon

Tr Saturn square Neptune and nodal axis
(I have come to fear these Saturn-transits; especially to Sun, Moon or Neptune they feel EXCRUCIATING - but taught me some worthwhile lessons)

Tr Uranus square Sun and Mercury
(Uranus is the one I can really count on for some major breakthroughs that show themselves not just as an inner development, but in the outside; usually together with a lot of chaos, but in the end very freeing)

Tr Saturn square Sun and Mercury
(agian HORRIBLE, disastrous, but very helpful in finding a balance between spirit and matter)

And now there is of course Tr Uranus conjunct my IC and Tr Pluto conjunct my Venus

It was pretty clear that no stone in my psyche would be left unturned I guess.

I have gotten my faith back, to a big part, or let`s say learned trusting (still learning of course), but I cannot really say how it happened.
Most of all I have been working on myself, to find my place, my stance in this world.

But there were just so many things happening that were aiding me on my path, and they keep on happening, the most unlikely things and occasions and encounters, it keeps me on my toes and curious as to what will come round the next corner I turn.

Actually I stopped wondering so much about where my faith had gone to, but instead just started to live my life as authentic as I can.

Sorry I fear this might not be helpful to you.
Probably everyone has their own way (and it is not always the direct one).