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hannaramaa
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posted February 23, 2013 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I constantly need some type of reassurance that my partner has feelings for me. What causes this type of cripple? How do you grow out of it?

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posted February 23, 2013 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's insecurities, might be stemming from neglect or emotional issues from childhood- with parents.

I am not clingy and I don't verbally need assurance, but parts of me always feels uneasy at times. It's also been exemplified after being cheated on and screwed over in the past.

So... I have moon square saturn do you have a moon hard aspect saturn aspect?

I have moon square neptune loosely.

What about you?

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posted February 23, 2013 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun and Venus square Saturn, but my moon is surprisingly pretty stable and well aspected to him. There's just the nasty opposition I have with Pluto in the 5H, and my Moon in the 11th. I wonder if Moon in the 11th gives me the same flavor as Moon in Aquarius.

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posted February 23, 2013 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nothing wrong with wanting someone who verbalizes their feelings for you every once in awhile.

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posted February 23, 2013 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon/Venus square. I want reassurance and stuff.

"You can have other friends, just don't spend less time with me"

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posted February 23, 2013 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I have Moon/Venus square. I want reassurance and stuff.

"You can have other friends, just don't spend less time with me"


Exactly! Or don't pay less attention to me. I don't have Moon Venus square though. My moon and Venus don't even aspect even though they're in the same house (11).

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posted February 23, 2013 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is not something to grow out of.

This is something you would not feel if you were with the right guy.

Maybe these guys are just too dumb or young for you.
Have you ever dated someone a bit older?

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posted February 23, 2013 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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need some type of reassurance

The immature thing here - is this person being unable to give reassurance and to express themselves emotionally... and this is something they need to grow out of.

There is nothing immature or unusual about your desire for re-assurance.. It's perfectly normal and an emotionally mature man who loves you, would *show* you.

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posted February 23, 2013 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I need reassurance sometimes, too.

What would happen if you said to him, "I'm having an insecure moment. Cuddles."
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posted February 24, 2013 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eckhart Tolle

The Power of Now

something like that can help you grow out of it.

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posted February 24, 2013 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
This is not something to grow out of.

This is something you would not feel if you were with the right guy.

Maybe these guys are just too dumb or young for you.
Have you ever dated someone a bit older?


How can every guy be too dumb or young for me though, you know? I do like older guys (I'm 23, I would date 26-30) but I get intimidated by their experience and my lack of so I don't pursue it 'cause I don't want to embarrass myself.

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posted February 24, 2013 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Eckhart Tolle

The Power of Now

something like that can help you grow out of it.


Is he along the same lines as Michael Bernard Beckwith?

I vaguely remember Eckhart being on Oprah and I really dug the book he was promoting, or the idea behind it anyway. Thanks for reminding me about it.

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posted February 24, 2013 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 24, 2013 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm just gonna be straightforward here and give my 2 cents. the way i see it you are holding yourself back from getting the reassurance you crave and i'll tell you exactly why i think that. you came right out and said guys who openly admit they like you and ask you out are boring, you said you want the chase/challenge. the problem with that is you are ignoring guys who would give you reassurance and going after guys who will never give you reassurance. so i guess you have to make a choice and decide which is more important to you, the chase/challenge or straightforwardness? surely you realize those two things are fundamentally incompatible.hope this helped

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posted February 24, 2013 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, if it's CONSTANT, I DO see that as something to overcome. Sure, people should show they care, but if they have to do it every hour then that seems way too excessive to me ('course that doesn't mean completely ignoring someone, too).

ETA: And btw, if Aquaguy is remembering correctly when he said, "you came right out and said guys who openly admit they like you and ask you out are boring, you said you want the chase/challenge" then I'm going to have to agree with him on that as a "you can't have your cake and eat it, too." If you reject the guys who are inclined to reassure you then it seems obvious that you're not going to be reassured, and you're going to have to make a choice which is more important to you, the chase/challenge or reassurance.

Were you raised with parents who brushed you off or worse? If so then you might chase emotionally unavailable guys because you're subconsciously trying to work out childhood issues (that is you're chasing emotionally unavailable Daddy, for example, in the form of a guy, and the only way to break that is to become lucid of what you're doing so that you can correct that self-defeating behavior).

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posted February 24, 2013 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Actually, if it's CONSTANT, I DO see that as something to overcome. Sure, people should show they care, but if they have to do it every hour then that seems way too excessive to me ('course that doesn't mean completely ignoring someone, too).

[b]ETA: And btw, if Aquaguy is remembering correctly when he said, "you came right out and said guys who openly admit they like you and ask you out are boring, you said you want the chase/challenge" then I'm going to have to agree with him on that as a "you can't have your cake and eat it, too." If you reject the guys who are inclined to reassure you then it seems obvious that you're not going to be reassured, and you're going to have to make a choice which is more important to you, the chase/challenge or reassurance.

Were you raised with parents who brushed you off or worse? If so then you might chase emotionally unavailable guys because you're subconsciously trying to work out childhood issues (that is you're chasing emotionally unavailable Daddy, for example, in the form of a guy, and the only way to break that is to become lucid of what you're doing so that you can correct that self-defeating behavior).[/B]


I think I need to clarify what I mean.

For one, I completely agree that hourly reassurance is excessive. I don't need hourly reassurance. I don't think I even need daily reassurance. But if my boyfriend wanted to tell me "I love you" every couple of days it would make me feel better. Note, I don't have a boyfriend at the moment but my friend said I'm too demanding. She's also the type who never asks anybody for anything because she doesn't expect them to pull through though as well. Regardless, her comment lead to me examining my behavior and wondering if I was being unreasonable in expecting to talk to someone I'm dating every day. If they don't talk to me every day (after having done so previously) I immediately think I did something wrong and they're no longer interested and I start getting sad. That's not healthy, right?

I'm torn about how I was raised. I never went without, at all, and I'm an only child. I'm the apple of my parents' eye. There was a lot of emotional discord though, but I'm not sure if I'd classify it as being completely emotionally unavailable.

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posted February 24, 2013 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think that expecting to talk to the person that you're dating every day is unreasonable.
You just need to date someone who feels the same way - they are out there.

It sounds like what attracts you and what you need emotionally may be out of sync.

Edited to add: Think of it as finding someone with matching baggage
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posted February 24, 2013 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I think I need to clarify what I mean.

For one, I completely agree that hourly reassurance is excessive. I don't need hourly reassurance. I don't think I even need daily reassurance. But if my boyfriend wanted to tell me "I love you" every couple of days it would make me feel better. Note, I don't have a boyfriend at the moment but my friend said I'm too demanding. She's also the type who never asks anybody for anything because she doesn't expect them to pull through though as well. Regardless, her comment lead to me examining my behavior and wondering if I was being unreasonable in expecting to
talk to someone I'm dating every day. If they don't talk
to me every day (after having done so previously) I
immediately think I did something wrong and they're
no longer interested and I start getting sad. That's not
healthy, right?

I'm torn about how I was raised. I never went without, at all, and I'm an only child. I'm the apple of my parents' eye. There was a lot of emotional discord though, but I'm not sure if I'd classify it as being completely emotionally unavailable.



there is nothing wrong with wanting to keep in touch with someone on a daily basis. however things do come up from time to time and that might not always be possible, so dont be soo hard on yourself and assume you did something wrong. im the same way i like keeping in touch with a gf, however i dont panic if i dont hear from them for a day or 2 provided they contact me afterwards and explain why they went mia.. otherwise i get suspicious. and if it becomes a pattern where they will disappear for a few days without explanation i will definitely confront them on
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posted February 24, 2013 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't think that expecting to talk to the person that you're dating every day is unreasonable.
You just need to date someone who feels the same way - they are out there.

It sounds like what attracts you and what you need emotionally may be out of sync.

Edited to add: Think of it as finding someone with matching baggage


Yes! I like how you worded that "out of sync," here I was making it more complicated in my head.

How do you get back in sync with yourself?

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posted February 24, 2013 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know :/

I was freaking hopeless at dating.

CALLING MORE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE!

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posted February 24, 2013 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I don't need hourly reassurance. I don't think I even need daily reassurance. But if my boyfriend wanted to tell me "I love you" every couple of days it would make me feel better. Note, I don't have a boyfriend at the moment but my friend said I'm too demanding. She's also the type who never asks anybody for anything because she doesn't expect them to pull through though as well. Regardless, her comment lead to me examining my behavior and wondering if I was being unreasonable in expecting to talk to someone I'm dating every day. If they don't talk to me every day (after having done so previously) I immediately think I did something wrong and they're no longer interested and I start getting sad. That's not healthy, right?

That's not being too demanding in my book, and it's certainly not "constant."

As for how healthy it is I'd say that depends. There is such a thing as comfortable silences that people who get close can develop (and where "I love you" can be expressed with a simple hug or touch). And new relationships tend to be more drug-like in their anxiety & euphoria but after a year that phase should've passed and then people do become a lot less obsessed with each other...but despite this the love can be stronger than it ever was. And if that doesn't happen for you then perhaps you are suffering some anxiety or insecurity that needs to be looked at.

OTOH, sometimes a person suddenly cutting contact can be a real danger sign of losing interest, upset, or even cheating, and it's perfectly healthy to be worried over that and sad if it turns out to be the case, too.

Hmph, it just strikes me suddenly how similar growing closer and growing apart can look without looking at the nuances or considering the circumstances. I guess the question then becomes can you tell the difference between growing closer and growing apart?

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Well, much of the time it is due to either parents or ex's who never offered validation for you.

The way to break out of this is to realize one's own uniqueness, simply put Hannaramaa, there will NEVER be anyone like you on this Earth.

Value your own uniqueness, there will never be anyone like you ever again in this world!

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posted February 24, 2013 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Is he along the same lines as Michael Bernard Beckwith?

I vaguely remember Eckhart being on Oprah's channel and I really dug what they were discussing (this was years after I'd already become familllar with him). Thanks for reminding me about it.


I should see if the interview is on Youtuve...

I'm not sure about that guy you mentioned - never heard of him before. I bet Eckhart blows him out of the water anyway. He knows what he's talking about.

Now that you mention it, I think he WAS on Oprah's OWN network once. I remember getting caught up in a series of interviews from different spiritual people being interviewed by her late one night....he was one of them, i think.

I'd picked up his book A New Earth a long time ago and never finished it. Not because it wasnt good, but because I was caught up with other things at the time. More recently I downloaded one of his old ones - The Power of Now. It's fantastic.

Point was, I think his work might resonate with you. Any of his books are well worth reading. You can't go wrong with whichever one you might pick up.

Yeah....and Marianne Williamson was interviewed too;, which was also very insightful and impressive. She's big into A Course in Miracles, which I once was, years ago..

anyway...yeah, you might like his books.

best of luck with the relationship stuff.

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posted February 25, 2013 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lazyscarecrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mockingbird:
I don't think that expecting to talk to the person that you're dating every day is unreasonable.
You just need to date someone who feels the same way - they are out there.

It sounds like what attracts you and what you need emotionally may be out of sync.

Edited to add: Think of it as finding someone with matching baggage


Agreed.

I don't think you need to change yourself at all, Hanna. There are people out there who need to be told I love you one a year, some once a decade, and some once every hour. You just gotta find someone who is on the same page as you are, and trust me, he exists.

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posted February 25, 2013 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hanna,

In full respect, and I have no intentions to sound mean, but bits and bytes aren't able to substitute for real life human contact, and that includes rapport, interaction and embracing/kissing.

Try to get away from the computer, go out there and find the man of your dreams. You'll be much happier.


There is an old Sarah Vaughn song called the nearness of you, re-recorded by many artists over decades from Frank Sinatra to the Rolling Stones to Norah Jones:

"Its not the pale moon that excites me
That thrills and delights me, oh no
Its just the nearness of you

It isnt your sweet conversation
That brings this sensation, oh no
Its just the nearness of you

When youre in my arms and I feel you so close to me
All my wildest dreams come true

I need no soft lights to enchant me
If you'll only grant me the right
To hold you ever so tight
And to feel in the night the nearness of you."

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