posted June 06, 2013 09:31 AM            

Might it be that a soul chooses this type of death for some reason? Could it help the soul grow? Can it have any positive influence?

Btw...

I don't want this thread to be closed, ok? ^^

posted June 06, 2013 11:06 AM            

A psychic once told me we all do it in one life time or another.

I am going to get it for this one, but I think it is a completely normal state of the human condition as we humans are so complex and multi-facited...who is to say what is right or wrong for another's choice?

It is widely known in my field that if somebody intends to kill him/herself and really wants to die, he/she will do just, no matter how many intervention, etc.

I do not think it slows a soul's progression, as, again, it is an experience of being human, just a human experience.

My daughters' father shot himself in the head 12 years ago, in anger cause I was divorcing him.

He came to me last night, for the first time, I was sitting in my garage (cause the skeeters are so bad outside) having a cup of rest tea and a clove and I felt him, behind a pile of things for donation pick up today, he had a little boy quality, shy and afraid to approach. I damned him when he did it, telling him to leave me alone, cause he was so verbally abusive, pulling guns on me and crap, but last night I told him to come on over....I forgive you.

He took an etheral seat beside me in the garage, then got up and got on his knees and begged for forgiveness....which I told him I forgive you...

We talked through the ether and I asked him to please watch over his daughters.

A bit later I was sitting on my sofa, candles lit, very relaxed and peaceful and I feel him sitting, again in the etheral chair, to my left again, but this time his age when he died...in a white suit with a brilliant blue tie that made his green eyes vibrantly blue...

It was very peaceful for me to experience.

Again, no I do not think it interfears with a soul's spiritual progression cause it is a HUMAN act, and us humans do all kinds of messed up stuff!

posted June 06, 2013 11:54 AM            

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posted June 06, 2013 11:59 AM            

I get so mad at work, when somebody takes a bottle of pills and calls EMS, the ones crying out for attention, not help.

In somebody who really wants to die, you might see depression, changes of behavior, but they are not going to state "I am going to kill myself cause I want to die.."

Cause they want to die!

And they dont want anybody interfearing.

SO, IF one of my daughters expressed such intention, I would see it as a call for help, which the youngest did at one time, but it was emotional manipulation on her part.

If either one of them did it, or my mom, or my brother, neices, nephews, grandpa....I would not know until it was done, and I would respect the decision.

I dont think your question was a fair one...but I answered the best I could.

posted June 06, 2013 12:38 PM            

I don't judge. I even understand. But there are situations that can be solved. It's just sad. And killing yourself to punish someone is...no comment.

Anyway, what about incomplete missions? That would complicate and slow down everything a little, wouldn't it?

posted June 06, 2013 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I heard it sets your karma back...the lessons you were supposed to learn in this life are carried on to the next life, so you end up having a larger load. Same with the demons you were supposed to face or resolve in this life. That's the influence on the soul, as I believe it.

In this respect, it is not a very good decision.

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This I have heard, too, but, really none of us knows....

All I know is that when he came to me last night, he was not stuck in hell,, not purgatory, etc...

posted June 06, 2013 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I think that all sorts of things are damaging to the soul - including the crap we're supposedly supposed to go through in order to grow and move forward spiritually.

I'm so out of it today.

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posted June 06, 2013 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I think that all sorts of things are damaging to the soul - including the crap we're supposedly supposed to go through in order to grow and move forward spiritually.

I'm so out of it today.

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here, here!!!!!

But still it is all a process of being a human...

Remember signing up for this?

posted June 06, 2013 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I think that all sorts of things are damaging to the soul - including the crap we're supposedly supposed to go through in order to grow and move forward spiritually.

I'm so out of it today.

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I wonder how much what we feel and experience affects our soul, if at all. Does the soul experience or does it only observe what our ego experiences and it learns this way?

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Originally posted by hippichick:
here, here!!!!!

But still it is all a process of being a human...

Remember signing up for this?

I dont, but I am quite sure I did!!!

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Hahah. Sometimes I think to myself "what were you thinking you idiot?!".

posted June 06, 2013 07:34 PM            

Suicide is not about the rational thinking mind of the human, but about an overflux of emotion...that takes hold.

Cappy..have you expeienced this, have you ever had anybody close who has....?

Why your query?

blessins!

posted June 06, 2013 07:37 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Hahah. Sometimes I think to myself "what were you thinking you idiot?!".

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gosh darn it!

OFCOURSE our soul experiences suicide...

Geezzzz

We are but transient travelers in a human body experiencing the human condition....

Cappy?

posted June 06, 2013 08:36 PM            

Really bothers me about your question about my daughters...

NO relevence to the question at hand...

posted June 06, 2013 09:01 PM            

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Originally posted by hippichick:
People who want to die, to really die dont let on, they just do it.

I get so mad at work, when somebody takes a bottle of pills and calls EMS, the ones crying out for attention, not help.

In somebody who really wants to die, you might see depression, changes of behavior, but they are not going to state "I am going to kill myself cause I want to die.."

Cause they want to die!

And they dont want anybody interfearing.

SO, IF one of my daughters expressed such intention, I would see it as a call for help, which the youngest did at one time, but it was emotional manipulation on her part.

If either one of them did it, or my mom, or my brother, neices, nephews, grandpa....I would not know until it was done, and I would respect the decision.

I dont think your question was a fair one...but I answered the best I could.

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I've said t because I actually want to die, I just don[t want to screw it up. That's why I'm still here.

posted June 06, 2013 10:42 PM            

My first theory is that living people are already connected to other planes of existence (that is, spiritual planes of existence, some like a heaven or a hell, that we have some essence tied to, perhaps even a "mirror existence" of some kind in one or more), and I came up with this for more than one reason that I don't feel like sharing. The important part is that if someone fell into such despair and committed suicide over it then they'd already be in some psychic vibration of despair (a hell dimension), surrounded by other similar souls, and would find it perhaps even more difficult to rise above it (I don't presume that any life after death of an individual consciousness becomes eternally permanent, that just doesn't make sense to me). I have heard of suicides that seemed to describe that (2 even described the same plane/land/purgatory/hell that the Ancient Greeks described for suicide, and neither knew of it, though one did describe stormy behavior instead of misty, but surely weather would vary there as well as here...).

OTOH, I've also came across to many positive NDEs, like if someone fell into despair because a loved one died and tried suicide their NDE might be heavenly and with that person they despaired of losing. And there have been people with chemical imbalances who reported nothing but love waiting for them. So my theory doesn't fit, or at least there's more to it involved than in my guess.

posted June 07, 2013 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I heard it sets your karma back...the lessons you were supposed to learn in this life are carried on to the next life, so you end up having a larger load. Same with the demons you were supposed to face or resolve in this life. That's the influence on the soul, as I believe it.

In this respect, it is not a very good decision.

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posted June 07, 2013 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I think that all sorts of things are damaging to the soul - including the crap we're supposedly supposed to go through in order to grow and move forward spiritually.

I'm so out of it today.

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