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Ami Anne
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posted July 25, 2013 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is NOT related to just LL. I have seen the same drama we have here from people I know in every field, every business, every group and religious organizations.

My guitar teacher said that people need drama. It is how we are made. He said that you should try to make it good drama like pushing yourself creatively etc but I wonder what makes flock to drama, yet say they don't like it.

One thing I have learned is that talk is cheap. The people who say they hate drama are the ones who often foment it.

Again, this is not personal to anyone here, just general observations of human nature.

Any thoughts?

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posted July 25, 2013 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thoughts. Yep.

If what you are saying has any basis, you just opened the door for some .

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Ami Anne
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posted July 25, 2013 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was in a Bereaved parent's group and that had as much drama as a small restaurant at which one of my family members work.
Another family member is a doctor and there is as much drama there as in the restaurant and the other places

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posted July 25, 2013 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Thoughts. Yep.

If what you are saying has any basis, you just opened the door for some .



I have no idea if that is an insult, but I will assume it isn't.

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posted July 25, 2013 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyway, people can comment as I think it is an interesting topic.

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posted July 25, 2013 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The opening Monologue to "As You Like It" by Bubba Shakespeare

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages."

*If* I quoted properly. It's been a long time since college.

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Ami Anne
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posted July 25, 2013 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
The opening Monologue to "As You Like It" by Bubba Shakespeare

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages."

*If* I quoted properly. It's been a long time since college.


Thank you, Ian. Great contribution, as always xx

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posted July 25, 2013 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Be conscious and ponder what people are saying... A friend of mine used to teach TA (Transactional Analysis). (Levels of communication-- parent-child). I liked a certain colorful southern-like phrase he used to use-- "There's sheat in the apple-butter" you're serving!

BOOKS:
(1964) Eric Berne, Games People Play.
(1967) Thomas Harris, I'm OK, You're Okay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_Analysis
http://www.ericberne.com/transactional-analysis/

My friend gave workshops on Claude Steiner's work too... Games Alcoholics Play.

I learned a LOT from his workshops. I had been involved with an extremely cruel alcoholic. (Relat was in my late teens.) (Knew TA friend in my later 20s). Learning about these 'games' helped make me aware.

It's VERY painful sheat to look at. There's a saying someone had....

The amount of embarrassment you're willing to face (in yourself) correlates with how much you'll grow.....

(Believe me, I understand excavations... And how good it can be to just be aware of the usual paths and the ability to see and perhaps eventually choose to take the road less traveled by me.... )

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posted July 25, 2013 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from article by Claude Steiner http://www.claudesteiner.com/strkcntrd.htm

SECTION,
The Stroke Economy

Positive strokes are in pervasive scarcity due to a set of inhibiting social and internalized rules--the stroke economy-- that prevent people from exchanging them freely. The stroke economy is a set of rules that seeks to interfere with the exchange of positive strokes; the asking, giving, and accepting strokes that are wanted and rejecting those that are not wanted. People prefer positive strokes but will seek and accept negative strokes when they are stroke hungry and positive strokes are not available. The scarcity of strokes creates heightened stroke hunger that stimulates stroke-seeking behavior.
________________ http://www.claudesteiner.com/forms.htm
Emotional Intimacy

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somethingexcellent
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posted July 27, 2013 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think part of it is curiosity and gawking, but I think another part is instinct from back when we were animals. Like scoping out other people, potential mates/competition, so on...

I personally say I love hearing about gossip and drama. It's just interesting. Be in da loop!

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Ami Anne
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posted July 27, 2013 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I think part of it is curiosity and gawking, but I think another part is instinct from back when we were animals. Like scoping out other people, potential mates/competition, so on...

I personally say I love hearing about gossip and drama. It's just interesting. Be in da loop!


Great point,SE. I think it is instinct too or what the Bible calls the flesh.

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posted July 27, 2013 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have learned that the people crying the loudest that they hate drama try to start the most fights to make it happen

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posted July 28, 2013 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was never yet an uninteresting life. Such a thing is an impossibility. Inside of the dullest exterior there is a drama, a comedy, and a tragedy - Mark Twain

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posted July 28, 2013 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
There was never yet an uninteresting life. Such a thing is an impossibility. Inside of the dullest exterior there is a drama, a comedy, and a tragedy - Mark Twain


I love that, Jessica. Thank you

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posted July 28, 2013 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hate drama, but I find it difficult to sit still and shut up, when people are spreading untruths about me. Unfortunately, I no longer trust most people to think for themselves.

I take people as they come. I don't always agree with you, and I don't always agree with others. You know from interacting with me privately, that I haven't stirred anything. Much of the time, I knew nothing about whatever people were arguing about, and I liked it that way. There's a difference between venting and gossip; I don't like gossip. I will ask about something, if I have been linked to it in the past. I think I have that right. But others know that I wasn't stirring anything recently (or at all! actually).

I've also noticed that people will read a certain amount about astrology, but they won't pay attention to how they're being hit by transits (or anything else), myself included! This weekend was supposed to be utter hell, but it's been a good one for me. The two weeks leading up to it? Too much. I knew, over a week ago, that I should have just listened to my instincts and not spoken to anyone. I didn't want to leave the house, I just wanted to be in my own little world.. but I ventured out of it, and what happened? I was **slammed**. I was too sensitive to deal with certain things, but the difference between myself and a few others is that I can admit that. I'm over finding myself totally at fault for anything that happens - well over it. I have also told people in the past, that I've been quieter, because I am full of drama thanks to the way my life is now. I feel toxic at times, but that doesn't mean I'm trying to lump that onto others. It doesn't mean I want everyone else to be miserable.

I posted something last Monday, from ElsaElsa, about projection. I think a lot of people need to look at their own behaviour (I already have, and continue to do so). They might do so, eventually, and they might not. They actually don't *have* to do a damned thing! I'm not just talking about people who have been weird with me, and I've already explained my (over)reaction to one person's continued actions towards me. People have their own lives, and their own worries, and things like this just add to it all. Someone apologized to me for inadvertently getting me involved in this mess, and I really appreciated that. I apologized for my overreaction, only to have them react to something else that was taken out of context, when I had already said that I was done, and upset. That's their business, but then telling others that I'm not to be trusted? Unacceptable. I guess people will make up their own minds about that. Who knows?

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posted July 28, 2013 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love other peoples drama.

It's amusing to me.

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posted July 28, 2013 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I love other peoples drama.

It's amusing to me.


Well, Somethingexcellent said that gossip is like animal grooming so that is the final word on it

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posted July 28, 2013 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
teasel, I`m sorry to hear you are still upset with what ever happened. All you can do is know what you didn`t or did do and let that give you peace. Rehashing it is low energy and makes healing take eons longer.

If we remember the Four Agreements and how we can apply them to our life, we can move forward in a positive manner. Applying them also helps keep any drama at bay as you won`t feel the need to respond to it.

You are always in my thoughts and prayers.

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posted July 28, 2013 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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juniperb: If we remember the Four Agreements

What are those?

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posted July 28, 2013 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SE
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/004265.html

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posted July 31, 2013 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
teasel... {{{hugs!}}}

"I treat you as if you are as important as I am, because you are" --(a saying)

Please be reminded of the support that is around you....

You are Loved! You are Important to me....

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posted July 31, 2013 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi mirage and Juni.

I'm actually feeling a bit better tonight, and have been keeping to myself because I didn't want to be "bleeding" everywhere. It's always there, though. I'm just going to go back to my marathon of "Lost" and drink my tea, and make sure my two remaining dogs are getting what they need. I'm just waiting for something else to happen now. I don't know what, because it's generally a surprise. My life has been a big ball of drama for the past few years, so I'm enjoying the snippets of peace as they come. I just hope that people will leave me out of their drama, in the future, unless they really need someone to talk to.

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posted July 31, 2013 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm just going to go back to my marathon of "Lost" and drink my tea, and make sure my two remaining dogs are getting what they need.

Remembering what is important in life, and focussing on it, is key.

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I just hope that people will leave me out of their drama, in the future, unless they really need someone to talk to.

Even when they try to suck you in, realize that you do not have to 'go there' with them. Save yourself the trouble and only talk about things that are important and don't involve other people's drama.

Glad you are feeling better.

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posted August 01, 2013 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Even when they try to suck you in, realize that you do not have to 'go there' with them. Save yourself the trouble and only talk about things that are important and don't involve other people's drama.

Glad you are feeling better.


I know. It happens, though, just as people get sucked into mine - or can do - when I'm frazzled and "leaking." I've had more and more trouble keeping to myself until I feel better. I hope the Sam-E continues to help.


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T!! I want you to know that I've been able to utilize stuff you've said... You played a part in a breakthrough I'm starting to have, and will practice till it keeps... Actually (in wording) I already have it in me, and I've gotta keep going back as I stray. But then Life is all about course-corrections.

You talked about Cancer Sign/planets and being sensitives... absorbing everyone's stuff and not being able to separate out what is you and what is outside of you.

I also know that one of my transits has been Neptune with my Sun (dissolver of identity, washing away at foundations of who I 'thought' I was)... You can't stop the ocean from moving in and doing what it was made to do.

Oceans and water can be literal, but they also symbolize waves of Spirituality, and Emotions and Feelings.

teasel I'm so glad you're feeling better in sips. Keep going, keep going.

I got more clarity on my relationships at home... Having made an investment that was not reciprocal. I saw needs and rushed in to help. I saw the solution plainly, so simple. But that person does not "value" that... Fed off my help and concern, but since it wasn't a real 'value' to him, it was an emotional take it or leave it situation for him. I became very dashed and disappointed, in him, AND WITH me for being blind, or stupid for not 'figuring' it out sooner. I noticed the sense of interpreting this as 'me' not being valuable-- which of course was tapping into some old sorrowful family junk and dynamics that played out in another time where I was given responsible with no authority to use power directly to get it done. With my relationship I have been emotionally starved, as this person is extremely non-affectionate and non-responsive by nature. (There is zero sexual spark there either.)

So anyway..... a cascade of self-undoings began to happen to me. I needed to de-construct what was happening. Had to look at all the crap I was sitting in, and 'be' with it-- to experience the experience of sitting with it for a while, and letting that be okay. Sure, I knew that I was upset, but that things could 'change' too. The situation felt "eternal" but I knew with my head that it is temporary.

I finally got some "alone" time. Roommie had been home sick with a cold-- He went back to work.

Since I was feeling so badly about 'the faults' blocks and impossibility that I had recently found in my chart, I decided to change-up a bit and pursue what the GOOD parts of my chart could be too!

A long while back, I had begun a project on a certain group of asteroids, and decided to "finish" this. OMG! I saw the power behind my chart in a new way. I saw where my biggest 'present' problem was, and set out to figure out what 'resources' I could find that could 'offset' the imbalanced or weaker part of my chart.

Pearlty's poetry, her thinking, was drawing me into my own muse--- interpretation, and vision and compassion, and wanting to comfort and inspire... "This, this INNER-state", the anointing, the atmospheric change in me was 'my bliss'.... I was Overjoyed doing 'my work' with words and worlds. I was hungry to address the situations of others around LL with a similar approach to care... I had scattered papers of research I had done to build posts for answering people...

I watched astrological video horoscopes and audio broadcasts I hadn't seen/heard yet---

The twine was unraveling! Then I got to 'the question' that had been on my mind for several weeks: What is the difference between Emotions, and Feelings?

And the answer was different than what I had thought....

Feeling vs. Emotion: What's the Difference
by Joe Shirley

youtube on... http://joeshirley.com/feeling-vs-emotion-whats-the-difference/

Testimony: "Sucking Void" becomes "All This Love"
youtube on... http://joeshirley.com/sucking-void-becomes-all-this-love/

These thoughts that Joe Shirley has about living life from a place of 'having it' already, are a match to thoughts that Michael Colbert speaks to about 'Living Life Backwards'...

If we have what we 'want' then there's an atmosphere it creates. And that atmosphere is a confidence and strength. It's a place of no deficit--- you have needs you're working to fill, but have NO deficit in yourself about "you"... just 'stuff'.

I'm telling you!!!, I started feeling like "me".... like REALLY Me!

I need to fill up on this feeling, and thicken it around me.

Emotions are a body-response, that make feelings, that generate emotions again.

My body (bless her!) had been taking a lot of 'hits' because of shock-absorbing outside bits of bad news for me. Now I hope to make a more overall gain with the force of emotion (body) by being aware of the Feelings I have. And stirred up Feelings is a sign of your Soul, too. My Soul is stirring so very very deep. It's looking at a dream sooo big! These are the 'new' old things I sit with now.... What a luxury we have in being part of this community together.... I just feel soooo blessed!

to all!

Never Give Up!!

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