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Topic: what generates Trust?
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Padre35
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posted March 04, 2014 02:02 AM
  
Why do people no longer Trust each other?Why has Trust been jettisoned from public discourse? Why are things not longer a matter of Trust? IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted March 04, 2014 02:17 AM
character. IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted March 04, 2014 02:26 AM
Kero tho, why did Trust run away?That is not fair of me to ask. perhaps I'm a person from a different era IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 04, 2014 04:21 AM
Trust requires honesty and integrity. If you cant count on someone to keep their word you cant trust them,period. People these days lie so much it has become second nature to them. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 04, 2014 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Kero tho, why did Trust run away?That is not fair of me to ask. perhaps I'm a person from a different era
Trust ran away because people lie and misrepresent themselves so much. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted March 04, 2014 05:13 AM
ETA: I swear the OP has been altered than when I answered it so it looks to be asking something else. Not sure as I really should be asleep instead. But as it looks different now I'm getting rid of what I had here (saving it, though, in case it becomes relevant later). No one was flamed or insulted in the deleted post. IP: Logged |
Sibyl
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posted March 04, 2014 05:50 AM
There is a casual link between income inequality and distrust in a society. The larger the disparity, the more distrust. The poorer the poorest people the more distrust. Poverty and income inequality incentivizes criminality, so I think it makes sense. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 04, 2014 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
character.
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Sibyl
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posted March 04, 2014 08:12 AM
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Violets
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posted March 04, 2014 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Why do people no longer Trust each other?Why has Trust been jettisoned from public discourse? Why are things not longer a matter of Trust?
That's like asking for a dissertation on socioeconomic changes over the past seven decades, in addition to a few other topics.  But as for the answer to the title question, I think Kero's got it right. Especially when considering that quote "Character is how you treat those who can do nothing for you". A favorite of mine.  IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted March 04, 2014 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
ETA: I swear the OP has been altered than when I answered it so it looks to be asking something else. Not sure as I really should be asleep instead. But as it looks different now I'm getting rid of what I had here (saving it, though, in case it becomes relevant later). No one was flamed or insulted in the deleted post.
Have not changed the OP Pixie J, did change the answer to Kero as the original version sounded accusatory and that is way unfair. I do feel if individuals can no longer trust each other, the State will step in, which is a large mistake as no law can make someone into a good person. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted March 04, 2014 10:29 AM
I think people do trust those they know while not those they don't. This isn't new. People have distrusted those from other areas, races, religions, etc, or like this where Lincoln was said to have exploited how rural folk distrusted "city slickers" (similar to how many city slickers dismissed "slack jawed yokels"): quote:
"A story is told about [Abraham] Lincoln as a young lawyer. In one of his first jury cases, he showed his political shrewdness by an adroit and quite non-malicious use of ad hominem. His opponent was an experienced trial lawyer, who also had most of the fine legal points on his side. The day was warm and Lincoln slumped in his chair as the case went against him. When the orator took off his coat and vest, however, Lincoln sat up with a gleam in his eye. His opponent was wearing one of the new city-slicker shirts of the 1840's, which buttoned up the back."Lincoln knew the reactions of frontiersmen, who made up the jury. When his turn came, his plea was brief: 'Gentlemen of the jury, because I have justice on my side, I am sure you will not be influenced by this gentleman's pretended knowledge of the law. Why. he doesn't even know which side of his shirt ought to be in front!' "Lincoln's ad hominem is said to have won the case."
(Stuart Chase, Guides to Straight Thinking. Harper & Row, 1956)
The Satanic Panics were an extreme form of that where the most absurd urban legends were spread and believed by both unreliable sources as well as friends with a FOAF (tale from a "friend of a friend"), and even billions of dollars was lost in one surreal case prosecuted started on the word of a documented paranoid schizophrenic that should've been quickly dismissed, which is a mix of how people didn't trust each other yet at the same time were completely gullible to what others said depending on the source. I see it as pretty much the same today, and I might share some of the more humorous experiences of mine later. That aside, I suppose that maybe there's more fear of crime as well as distressing unethical behavior not only for growing economic disparities (especially mixed with a sense of entitlement as well as promoting material possessions above all, albeit in somewhat contradictory mixed messages) but also because of how society radically changed by the concept that when people turn 18 (or soon after) then they're out the door. No longer did people pass homes down through the generations or look out for each other (back in the days when "family" was almost synonymous with "clan" which made "family feuds" truly fearsome at times), instead people were expected to get a job, their own home, start a family, and that often split up extended families which not only made people more dependent on big business for jobs and bennies (transferring the loyalty from family to corporation and treated as a replaceable cog that's also often amoral at best) but also big government (from welfare to natural disaster when before the extended family would've helped). Furthermore it also mixes people who don't know each other that well, aren't as vested in maintaining a good reputation as they probably won't be around long enough to reap any benefit from it (or at least enough others don't and it gets frustrating to play fair when so many others aren't), and that would only be exacerbated in sufficient numbers (as a city where most of the new jobs would be), especially if competition is fierce. IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted March 04, 2014 11:14 AM
Excellent points PJ, I also think the line between famous and infamous is so blurred now, a complete Cad can have as much social status as the most saintly volunteer at the homeless shelter.Ethics and Character are almost trumped by mere name recognition, the Venal has become a virtue so to speak..does not matter how one makes it, as long as one "makes" it. Take Donald Trump for example, if one examines his business practices, he's a turd, he's also famous so all of that goes out out the window In Biblical terms, as Isaiah mentioned "anyone who tries to do the right thing is seen as prey" IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted March 05, 2014 12:13 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Padre35:
Kero tho, why did Trust run away?That is not fair of me to ask. perhaps I'm a person from a different era
Because trust ran away because it was most likely being consumed by shade. Try not to be shady or secretive if you want another persons trust, it's just natural to not trust someone who seems well, untrustworthy. If you hold yourself in a forthright manner people will trust you.
Simple. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted March 05, 2014 12:29 AM
I don't trust anyone.IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted March 05, 2014 12:31 AM
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trust ran away because it was most likely being consumed by shade.
Yes. The shade consumed it. That's what happened. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted March 05, 2014 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
I don't trust anyone.
The Government is watching you IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted March 05, 2014 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Because trust ran away because it was most likely being consumed by shade.Try not to be shady or secretive if you want another persons trust, it's just natural to not trust someone who seems well, untrustworthy. If you hold yourself in a forthright manner people will trust you.
Simple.
Was speaking in general Kero, if anything this sort of thing is a problem for me as my Saggie nature is a bit more free spirited then to be the sort of keeper of secrets/rock steady type this requires. IP: Logged |
Sibyl
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posted March 05, 2014 07:31 AM
The downside of being able to read people well...I ALWAYS know when they are lying, cheating, using me for their own gain, manipulating, orchestrating... Especially the last. Trying to organize the situation to the best possible benefit for themselves. It's super annoying. So I don't trust much. Even in close relationships. I don't see the point. You gotta stay observant! Trust for me is a succeeding line of transparent actions. that way I don't go in blind, I know. I know the likelihood of lying and I know in which situations it will occur. Likewise, I have learned in my closest friendships on what accounts I can "trust" and in what situations I simply will not put my friends (as they are likely to betray me). For some it will be gossip (don't tell them your **** . Or if you do, know what kind of **** they are likely to tell and what they aren't). For others it will be not giving them the dilemma between their own gain versus my loss. Some people will always take their own gain in certain situations (it's important to know which). Trust is too often of the "blind" variety. I don't see the point in that. IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted March 05, 2014 10:30 AM
I'm unclear as to your interpretation of "trust", Padre. Do you mean trust in terms of society, or trust in terms of personal relationships, or both?I have some ideas about the breakdown of trust within our society (it seems kind of self-explanatory to me), and I suppose that tends to bleed into personal relationships as well. There's too much to go into, really.
If I were to do so, I would at least need another cup of coffee.  IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted March 05, 2014 04:19 PM
For me, honesty. Even if it's difficult to swallow as long as its delivered with "love"IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 06, 2014 08:52 PM
Trust is like the porcelain doll Linda shattered to pieces. It can't be glued back together again.IP: Logged |
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