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Faith
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posted May 06, 2014 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, yesterday, before our conversation was interrupted, we were talking about women begging you for illicit pictures of your anatomy.

And I said that I never heard of women doing that...begging men for pictures of the "D." You said I'm out of the loop because of my age. So I asked other women, "Have you heard of this, are young women doing that?"

All along, I meant, begging guys for indecent pictures of themselves.

Yet you thought all along that I was challenging you on something else: your statement that women send you nude photos. I never challenged that, I know women do that kind of thing. That is why I *denied* accusing you of lying about that. I didn't.

There was no emotional manipulation involved. You just got lost in the conversation, and it turned into a comedy of errors. When I asked you to clarify something ("Where did I imply that?") because I sincerely wanted to know how you were misinterpreting me, you just got angry, which made me laugh. To me, the mix-up was funny.

Anyway, I don't constantly accuse you of lying. I was telling PJ that sometimes I've found you to be truthful, but when you say outrageous things, I look for some back-up information. I do this with most people, trying to separate fact from fiction, if I am really interested in the topic. You and I don't get along so well, or I would probably be more discrete about it...but I am in the habit of asking for more information when weird topics come up.

As for your confusing stories about dating, all I was saying is, the stories are not consistent. I didn't mean to pin you to the wall about that, using your own quotes...it's not really important in itself. I just wanted to illustrate exactly why I find you difficult to understand.

Is it so "pathetic" that I point this out? Really it wasn't meant as harsh criticism. I'm sorry if it came across that way. The only thing I dislike about you is that you have a rigidly negative attitude about women. And you might shake that off one of these days, you're still young.

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posted May 06, 2014 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with the sentiments of your argument and think that you are a very intelligent and honest person, Faith. I do not believe you are a malicious person. However I do find the paragraph below offensive.

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Originally posted by Faith:
it turned into a comedy of errors. When I asked you to clarify something ("Where did I imply that?") because I sincerely wanted to know how you were misinterpreting me, you just got angry, which made me laugh. To me, the mix-up was funny.

I do not believe laughter or mocking is a legitimate response, and I think it hurts your case because it is too easy for someone to address the way you phrase yourself (called "emotionally manipulative", as you say), instead of your very legitimate concerns.

As I said, I agree with you. But I also wish to give you my perception because I think you are phrasing yourself in ways which hurt your sound argument (and the judgments behind it).

I mean... How do you expect this conversation is going to transpire if AG responds?

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aquaguy91
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posted May 06, 2014 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You didnt really clarify what you meant. You just said you didnt believe me, so I took it as you not believing the whole thing. And on the issue of the photos thing, when someone sends one of those photos they almost always expect you to reciprocate.if you dont promptly reciprocate the gesture they will usually outright ask you to and if you dont they will get angry and/or quit talking to you. This sort of thing is very common among young people. Its called "p4p" or picture for picture. In the minds of people who send these photos you are obligated to send them a pic too. Think of it as an unwritten/unspoken contract of sorts.. Except you never signed anything or agreed to anything, but thats usually how it works. Therefore the two things are almost always tied together. And if you were familiar with this sort of thing you would know that. And yes I have had girls send me nude photos and they expected me to reciprocate and when I didnt they got angry and tried to manipulate me and twist my arm to get me to do it. Usually by implying my body (or parts of it) must be inadequate or else I would be perfectly comfortable with showing them. And when they saw that their tactics werent working they gave up and quit talking to me.my understanding is that this sort of thing is common in the gay community (usually gay men) but my experiences show that this happens among straight people too and its not always the man being a perv.

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posted May 06, 2014 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith, learn to live up to your nick name and - have more faith in yourself. What you stated - was/is obvious to more of us. Though, I'm sorry we couldn't support you (even though - you were right) - it's just that, as you may have noticed (since that is also obvious for years now) - talking about or with him, would be both a waste of energy and a source of negativity (some learn this lesson the "the hard way" - through practice which lead to severe headaches), so - it's wiser to ignore those who can't be reason with. Personalty, based on what i witnessed in past two years... (sigh).

What do you think will happen - if one day some girl will give him a chance for more - but latter while she'll get to know him better, she'll have a second thought about it and reconsider/reject him... a point where - all the hate he bottles inside for women (as displayed around this parts) - will fall upon that unfortunate soul?

Just think about the way he lost it with you, with Padre, with Xodian - over a meaningless argument - while that... it's something he builds inside for years. And even though, many of you tried to change his heart (i tried as well) - when it comes to women, his thoughts and reactions to this subject - got noticeably worst than few years ago.

I didn't wanna talk about it - cause it feels like a premonition that gives me a severe migraine (it sickens me)... but I've been keeping this inside for awhile now and whenever i see his comments... i get reminded of this - and can't help feeling sorry for "that poor girl".
I'm serious.

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aquaguy91
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posted May 06, 2014 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And 7thGuardian is being passive aggressive towards me again and trying to pour gasoline on the fire. What's new? And it's interesting to me how he is constantly implying or outright saying that "He's not worth it" (in reference to me) yet he is constantly writing out these long posts that are dedicated to trashing me, usually in a passive aggressive way where he has plausible deniability though. And what is this nonsense about a "premonition"? He has mentioned this several times and it doesnt make any dang sense. But of course when I asked him about it he couldn't answer the question. And oh 7thGuardian.... Newsflash... Getting angry at people and lashing out every once in awhile is normal and part of being human .. The last time I checked Getting angry is a natural reaction to being disrespected ... And I get disrespected and talked down to on here alot! And most of the time I keep my cool, but like every person I have my limits and lose my temper from time to time. So are you implying that I'm dangerous or a bad person because I respond negatively to having clowns like you talk down to me from your ivory towers? Its funny because you have implied that i'm an emotional vampire on multiple occasions yet you are the one who is constantly being passive aggressive and putting me down. You claim to be all spiritual and brag about how you avoid negativity yet here you are.... Trying to stir the pot....and being a brown noser at the same time... Congratulations

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posted May 06, 2014 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Next time you're about to respond watch one of these videos (which you'll bookmark right now of course):
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and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REvmhBO99I4

Or if you feel like he's jerking your chain about how bad he has it and don't care about coming off as rude then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

Or if you're feeling especially mischievous, tell him he needs some education, sit back, wait for boil (and subsequent locking of thread).

In the meantime, take a look at comics like these:

Be sure to check out these memes for similar uses as well!

And if all else fails:

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I'm so cappy
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posted May 06, 2014 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a waste of energy...

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Ami Anne
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posted May 06, 2014 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or if you feel like he's jerking your chain about how bad he has it and don't care about coming off as rude then:

This is just plain mean but maybe he has to learn about how mean people can be. I had to do that and I matured and did not throw my pearls before swine or if I did, I was able to ignore

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Sibyl
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posted May 06, 2014 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
And what is this nonsense about a "premonition"?

I think he is referring to your worrying attitude towards women. That you are, perhaps, turning quite bitter.

Not that it is necessarily such an issue now, but that if this escalates it could be abusive (emotionally or otherwise) down the line.

This is a worry of mine too. Not so much that you are toxic - I don't think you are, though I will agree we all have the potential and so will not dispute his "premonitions".

I don't see your current attitude helping you much tbh. I don't think it helps anyone to focus on the negative so much. No matter what your cause is, and I understand you have cause. I just think you would probably be better off if you focused on the positive more and blamed women less. Not saying you haven't met some super rotten apples, I just think they cannot possibly be the root of ALL your issues which you make it sound like when you bring it up so often.

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MsPrism
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posted May 06, 2014 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was nice of you, Pixie.

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Ami Anne
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posted May 06, 2014 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you guys want to have a rip all thread to AQ, I am gonna close it. Your meanness says much more about you all than his struggle with women says about him!

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posted May 06, 2014 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one is being mean. Why can't we support each other in our struggle to help AG stop being so negative?

Ami. . . seriously?

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Ami Anne
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posted May 06, 2014 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MsPrism:
No one is being mean. Why can't we support each other in our struggle to help AG stop being so negative?

Ami. . . seriously?


Because, it is not support. It is haranguing and pig piling. He has issues with women. He knows that. I know that but putting him down is not gonna help it. It is gonna make YOU feel big about yourselves and that is the lie in all of you pig piling on him over and over.


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Sibyl
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posted May 06, 2014 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]Or if you feel like he's jerking your chain about how bad he has it and don't care about coming off as rude then:

This is just plain mean but maybe he has to learn about how mean people can be. I had to do that and I matured and did not throw my pearls before swine or if I did, I was able to ignore

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This is probably a lesson we all have to learn And to deal with in different ways. We have probably all played the part of villain at one point or another in someone's life though. Of course for some people it is nearly ALL they do! I know I have done this myself at times. I think the most important question is of intent. Do you lash out in order to hurt? Or as a means to some higher purpose? I know there is at least one person who will not remember me kindly, and I regret it. I intentionally broke our new friendship in order to save her an older one (for her). It was an impossible situation. I could not explain without ruining it for her and so... Anyway... I found myself in a catch-22. I have also been mean to two guys in the past who were nothing but kind to me. Broke their hearts (though to be honest I knew that "love" was pretty superficial). They could not know, but I had a higher loyalty in both cases.

All I'm saying is sometimes meanness has a higher agenda and is not for the sake of it. I don't like to label people that way because I myself have found it necessary to don that cloak. I would not like to be judged based on such appearances, so I will attempt to be careful when I am the judge.

I think your take on it is interesting. It seems to be keep calm, and carry on? With a bright smile? I think my aqua sun and leo ASC helps me in different ways in that regard.

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posted May 06, 2014 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally know someone a lot like AG and everyone blames his overly protective mother on his behavior... not that he isn't in control of his life now but just sayin'.

Didn't you say you wanted to get your Pluto integrated, Ami?

Here's a Plutonian situation. You see someone with a problem and instead of treating them like they're fragile and broken, you demand that they see the truth.

"LOOK! at the truth of yourself! Do you hate it? Can you not face it?!"

This is what we are doing. We are essentially a Plutonian force coming in and trying our best to root out the cancerous disease infecting a fellow human being.

Welcome to life, it isn't pleasant and it never will be.

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Deal with your fear or it'll deal with you.

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Sibyl
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posted May 06, 2014 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Because, it is not support. It is haranguing and pig piling. He has issues with women. He knows that. I know that but putting him down is not gonna help it. It is gonna make YOU feel big about yourselves and that is the lie in all of you pig piling on him over and over.


Do you think I am being mean? I don't see it!

Ami, he KEEPS BRINGING IT UP! If this bothers him, why does he keep bringing it up?! I'm not sure it bothers him as much as you seem to think.

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posted May 06, 2014 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think you are being mean, S but I think the others are. I was on the receiving end of this kind of thing when I kept talking about my mother, over and over.

I had a similar group of people being mean to me and a few other people being really kind.

I learned many things, so I did need to do it, as AQ seems to need to do it. I am not sure why I did. I may have needed to be heard.

I may have needed people to put me down. I really don't know but whatever I needed, I learned many lessons.


However, the people who are being mean to him are being cruel and I don't want to let that go without calling it what it is.

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posted May 06, 2014 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On topic.. Both girls and guys send nude pics of themselves. It's not strange or uncommon for a girl to ask for naked pics, specially if she has already sent her own.

Sometimes AG's statements sound like they refer to the whole world. It wouldn't be true to say that all or a majority of women in their teens/20s ask for pics of penises --- but it definitely does happen. It's not a fictive, rare or unheard of, phenomenon ... so there's no reason to think he's lying.

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posted May 06, 2014 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
On topic.. Both girls and guys send nude pics of themselves. It's not strange or uncommon for a girl to ask for naked pics, specially if she has already sent her own.

Sometimes AG's statements sound like they refer to the whole world. It wouldn't be true to say that all or a majority of women in their teens/20s ask for pics of penises --- but it definitely does happen. It's not a fictive, rare or unheard of, phenomenon ... so there's no reason to think he's lying.


Voice of reason to the rescue

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posted May 06, 2014 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I meant what i said - otherwise i wouldn't have said it. I even shared this belief with someone else - "last year (it's not a recent conclusion - based on the latest events)".
Though... i tried to look at it with a higher purpose in mind - as in: who could learn something (a life lesson) - "if it gets to that"? And the answer - seemed to fit like killing 2 birds with one stone. And that was a good enough reason - not to interfere. It's sad... but death is normal (part of life, after all 10/10 people die - in one way or another) - and even the death of others comes as a life lesson sometimes. The logic was the easy part - the emotions - as a result to that... not so much. Though - there are ways to detach.

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posted May 06, 2014 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aquaguy91:
And 7thGuardian is being passive aggressive towards me again and trying to pour gasoline on the fire. What's new? And it's interesting to me how he is constantly implying or outright saying that "He's not worth it" (in reference to me) yet he is constantly writing out these long posts that are dedicated to trashing me, usually in a passive aggressive way where he has plausible deniability though. And what is this nonsense about a "premonition"? He has mentioned this several times and it doesnt make any dang sense. But of course when I asked him about it he couldn't answer the question. And oh 7thGuardian.... Newsflash... Getting angry at people and lashing out every once in awhile is normal and part of being human .. The last time I checked Getting angry is a natural reaction to being disrespected ... And I get disrespected and talked down to on here alot! And most of the time I keep my cool, but like every person I have my limits and lose my temper from time to time. So are you implying that I'm dangerous or a bad person because I respond negatively to having clowns like you talk down to me from your ivory towers? Its funny because you have implied that i'm an emotional vampire on multiple occasions yet you are the one who is constantly being passive aggressive and putting me down. You claim to be all spiritual and brag about how you avoid negativity yet here you are.... Trying to stir the pot....and being a brown noser at the same time... Congratulations

Don't let it get to you Aqua. No one is perfect and we are all in a continual process of adjustment.
Everyone has their share of growing pains.

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posted May 06, 2014 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't let it get to you Aqua. No one is perfect and we are all in a continual process of adjustment.
Everyone has their share of growing pains.

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posted May 06, 2014 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
edit. never mind

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posted May 06, 2014 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
On topic.. Both girls and guys send nude pics of themselves. It's not strange or uncommon for a girl to ask for naked pics, specially if she has already sent her own.

Sometimes AG's statements sound like they refer to the whole world. It wouldn't be true to say that all or a majority of women in their teens/20s ask for pics of penises --- but it definitely does happen. It's not a fictive, rare or unheard of, phenomenon ... so there's no reason to think he's lying.


I'll also agree this is true. "Sexting" isn't all that uncommon these days... But what I found weird about the way AG explained it (in this thread specifically) is there's nothing unreasonable or "manipulative" about a girl as asking for a pic in return. Usually it's just for collateral, as in why send someone a pic you wouldn't want shown to others or to end up on the net unless you have one of them too...

Anyway it's kind of beyond the point. I actually understand what 7th Guardian is saying... Not to bring up old conversations and touchy subjects, but the whole rape thread made it pretty clear to me at least there's something very off about the way he sees abusive behavior.

Sometimes, myself included ppl are overly harsh with him, but really no one is being mean by pointing this out. We all see that he's a smart person with a lot of potential and that he can turn things around if effort is actually put into that...

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posted May 06, 2014 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FireMoon:
. But what I found weird about the way AG explained it (in this thread specifically) is there's nothing unreasonable or "manipulative" about a girl as asking for a pic in return. ..

^^^^ this is just another example of how people take things I say out of context. I never said that it was manipulative for a girl to simply ask for a picture in return. I provided specific examples of what constitutes manipulation in these situations. If a girl gets angry and starts implying i must be inadequate and I should have no problems sending a picture if I wasnt she is being manipulative. And yes That has happened to me. I never said asking in and of itself is manipulative.

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