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Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 09:23 AM
  
I was thinking about this, in terms of family. My grandmother was wonderful to me and that gave me a stability but I was very betrayed by my mother and less so, my father. Now, I have a family member who is really on my side and that has made all the difference in getting stronger.
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Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 09:34 AM
Asteroid wise, nemesis is enemy. I have it conj my moon which would show a mother to be an enemy.Sedna is betrayal by men. I would think these would, often, show up in cases of betrayal but there are other asteroids, of course. Medusa shows betrayal by another women out of jealousy. Anyway, I would appreciate hearing any of your experiences  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 09:35 AM
We can look at asteroids, too, if you would like!------------------
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Sibyl
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posted May 10, 2014 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Asteroid wise, nemesis is enemy. I have it conj my moon which would show a mother to be an enemy.Sedna is betrayal by men. I would think these would, often, show up in cases of betrayal but there are other asteroids, of course. Medusa shows betrayal by another women out of jealousy. Anyway, I would appreciate hearing any of your experiences
This is soooo interesting!! I'm going to go check it out later  I'm not sure I've ever been betrayed before. Hm... Or maybe I've just forgotten. Can't have been that important! I mean, lied to and neglected - sure. Not right out betrayed though I think. I mean, I just don't place that much confidence in people  And betrayal would mean you have an expectation that someone will act differently, right? Interesting if the astroid aspects (or lack there of) reflect this. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 10:46 AM
Well, I think of another girl who comments on my website. She has nemesis conj the Moon and she had almost the exact kind of betrayal by a mother than I did.I wonder if nemesis conj Venus would be betrayal in love and conj the Sun, betrayal by the father/men. ------------------
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Sibyl
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posted May 10, 2014 10:52 AM
Interesting! Do you think someone with nemesis conj asc or mercury would have a hard time making judgments about whether others are friends/enemies?  IP: Logged |
Sibyl
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posted May 10, 2014 10:54 AM
Do you know the asteroid numbers of nemesis and medusa?IP: Logged |
Sibyl
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posted May 10, 2014 10:59 AM
Sedna is sextile moon and chiron, trine mars, uranus and neptune  Edit: or wait... Is that a bad thing, as Sedna is a bad aspect?  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 11:02 AM
Look to the Child asteroid, too. That is what happened to one in childhood and the inner child we all carry inside.I have it conj deja, which you don't want. ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted May 10, 2014 11:04 AM
Nemesis is not the enemy, even though it sometimes can seem this way.
Nemesis actually is responsible for "restoring balance".A guys Nemesis was conjunct my Sun (and my Nemesis oppose his Moon). While not quite an enemy, he surely felt like a bit of a "destroyer", but that was his job in my life. To destroy certain conceptions I had about myself (my Sun) to help me reach a more truthful selfhonest and genuine view on myself.
Specifically I have always been told and believed it after all, what a great tolerant person I was.
However, it was through him that I realized that this so-called tolerance of mine was very easy to display, AS LONG as it did not affect me personally.
It was through him that I gradually learned the degree of tolerant, where you can accept someone or something, even though it seems to destroy a part of your life, or a plan you have painted inside your head of the future. Of course it was painful and for a time he felt like the enemy, but really he was probably an angel in disguise, cause I needed someone or something to pull me off my high horse. And he accomplished that perfectly. So I am deeply greatful for that.  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 11:06 AM
I see it differently, Ceri, but great minds can differ ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted May 10, 2014 11:07 AM
"In Greek mythology, Nemesis (Greek, Νέμεσις  , also called Rhamnousia/Rhamnusia ("the goddess of Rhamnous") at her sanctuary at Rhamnous, north of Marathon, was the spirit of divine retribution against those who succumb to hubris (arrogance before the deities). ""The word Nemesis originally meant the distributor of fortune, neither good nor bad, simply in due proportion to each according to what was deserved. Later, nemesis came to suggest the resentment caused by any disturbance of this right proportion, the sense of justice that could not allow it to pass unpunished. O. Gruppe (1906) and others connect the name with "to feel just resentment". From the fourth century onward, Nemesis, as the just balancer of Fortune's chance, could be associated with Tyche. In the Greek tragedies Nemesis appears chiefly as the avenger of crime and the punisher of hubris, and as such is akin to Atė and the Erinyes. She was sometimes called "Adrasteia", probably meaning "one from whom there is no escape"; her epithet Erinys ("implacable") is specially applied to Demeter and the Phrygian mother goddess, Cybele."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_(mythology)
However, if one is not prepared to make the necessary changes, demanded of Nemesis, then I believe the effects can get REALLY nasty. If you do not change on your own accord, the change will come from an external source, and that can get rather painful and in some cases maybe even cruel.
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Sibyl
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posted May 10, 2014 11:15 AM
My nemesis aspects nothing. So it would make sense that I really haven't felt any betrayal. Anyway, found this old thread where you've posted Ami, http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001648.html Dejanira conj venus yes... That makes so much sense  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 11:20 AM
There are Astrologers who see things in a karmic way, in terms of past lives etc. I am Born Again Christian and don't believe in past lives, so I see things in terms of this life and I see the asteroids in a more practical way than many Astrologers but there is room for everyone.  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
My nemesis aspects nothing. So it would make sense that I really haven't felt any betrayal. Anyway, found this old thread where you've posted Ami, http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001648.html Do you have deja conj venus? If so, can you give your opinion on it, S? Dejanira conj venus yes... That makes so much sense
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Sibyl
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posted May 10, 2014 11:23 AM
Well, yes, Linda argued that we have to pass through all the 12 signs for example I believe in reincarnation myself, but astrology mostly in terms of the current life. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 11:24 AM
I screwed up the quote thing, S. Do you have venus conj Deja? If so, can you talk about it?------------------
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Sibyl
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posted May 10, 2014 11:28 AM
Yes, I have deja conj venus.Love is difficult as I don't allow myself vulnerability. I have allot of insecurity when it comes to feelings. I don't feel like a victim, however. Unless I can say that I victimize myself. But that is hardly a helpful perspective. Basically I'm my own biggest enemy IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
Yes, I have deja conj venus.Love is difficult as I don't allow myself vulnerability. I have allot of insecurity when it comes to feelings. I don't feel like a victim, however. Unless I can say that I victimize myself. But that is hardly a helpful perspective. Basically I'm my own biggest enemy
I understand. I feel the same way lol
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Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
Sedna is sextile moon and chiron, trine mars, uranus and neptune Edit: or wait... Is that a bad thing, as Sedna is a bad aspect?
How close? Asteroids have to be super close imo I accept a conj at 2 and other aspects at 1. Some Astrologers are stricter than this and want them all exact. I was just reading that on the web. At any rate, they have to be super close. ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted May 10, 2014 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I see the asteroids in a more practical way than many Astrologers
That is an extremely judgemental thing to say.
I am sure every astrologer views their way of doing astrology as practical.
Also there is nothing "un-practical" about a karmic perspective on life, it is just a different perspective than you have.
How practical the results are, does not have to do anything about the background belief but how the thoughts/ observations are applied to an existing situation in life. IP: Logged |
Sibyl
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posted May 10, 2014 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How close? Asteroids have to be super close imoI accept a conj at 2 and other aspects at 1. Some Astrologers are stricter than this and want them all exact. I was just reading that on the web. At any rate, they have to be super close.
I see. Okay, then I don't know. Never mind anyway IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 12:01 PM
CeriI see my Astrology in a very practical way that makes sense to me. I am sure the ways you differ make sense to you. There is room for everyone. Take care ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted May 10, 2014 12:03 PM
This memory came to me about another Board I was on, my first Board. It was for people who had Narcissism in their family. One girl and I were very anti psych medication and some people were pro. We would argue and argue. That was my immaturity. Who am I to say what another person should do? Who am I to judge someone's pain or decisions. This is a larger issue in life. On LL, there is room for everyone and all different opinions. In Astrology, it is the same, Friends.
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Catalina
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posted May 10, 2014 12:08 PM
Yes, Ceri, to me Nemesis is about "undoing". Not betrayal per se(unless one has been deceitful) but can be experienced as "undoing" what we try to construct. So in a sense it would probably feel like betrayalWhere is your mother's Nemesis, Ami? It's always interesting to see the two way dynamic, I think. Does yours aspect her chart in some way? IP: Logged |
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