posted May 19, 2014 02:39 PM            

My aspects that I think got me into these situations:

- Obviously Sun square Pluto -> Sun fire singleton.
- Sun square Dejanira, this asteroid squares my Nodes in H5 (NN) and H11 (SN) as well.
- Chart ruler (Venus) and her dispositor (Mercury) in the 12th house.
- Nessus conjunct Venus in the 12th... I'm of opinion that as this is Venus, a feminine planet, it can also mean attracting the Nessus. Even more as Venus also rules my 8th house.
- Moon conjunct Neptune -> very forgiving and picking up everyone's vibes.
- Moon conjunct Saturn -> I was taught to keep my emotions to myself growing up. It was too much of a bother for my parents.
- Moon opposition Chiron -> for a long time, this even made me feel guilty for showing vulnerability.
- Venus in T-square with Uranus and Jupiter. Open leg being Pisces, again a very forgiving, gentle sign, and the 6th house (service).
- Chiron conjunct the MC (5 degrees) -> when I'm feeling bad about something, it's visible, I can't hide it as it's always out there.
- Saturn and Neptune tightly square Ascendant. Chiron as well.

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posted May 19, 2014 02:46 PM            

Sun square Pluto -- 9 degrees. Yes, it's wide, but it describes a lot of my experiences, especially with my father to a t.

posted May 19, 2014 02:51 PM            

Just want to say, don't feel bad about that other thread, mkay? Such things happen, not your fault.

Mars is turning direct in a few hours... hopefully it will clear the air for good.

posted May 19, 2014 02:52 PM            

Thanks for sharing your experiences. Wow, yes, I've definitely been that person who gets in trouble for defending herself. As a child, I didn't really know my own strength and it scared me so much I repressed it from that point on.

And yeah, the one time I finally had enough of the abuse/namecalling/etc and snapped back - guess who was suddenly the bad guy?

posted May 19, 2014 02:52 PM            

I accuse Pluto conjuncting my IC in the 3rd house for this terrible experience.

posted May 19, 2014 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Meissieri

Just want to say, don't feel bad about that other thread, mkay? Such things happen, not your fault.

Mars is turning direct in a few hours... hopefully it will clear the air for good.

Your chart does have indicators that "explain" your experiences, of course... I'm glad you're overcoming them now, and that you're getting the help you deserve. <3

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Yes, Meis, you did not do anything wrong.

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posted May 19, 2014 03:14 PM            

I have never been bullied or pushed around by people or groups but I have been mistreated by family members.

However, I have Deja conj Child, so it would show I would be abused, which I was, but not by kids or bullying, by my mother. I have Moon conj Nemesis which would show this.

I have all good aspects to the Sun which would show a good relationship with my father, which I always had( although he would not stand up)

My point is that it is no one's fault for the challenges one has in one's chart imo

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posted May 19, 2014 03:17 PM            

We can overcome our charts with God imo. However, we will have the experiences that the charts portend, I think.
I think there is some pain that will never go away, entirely, too.

I may be wrong but I think the House of Chiron stays through life as a wound in one's heart, to a greater or lesser degree. I can speak for myself and it has for me.

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posted May 19, 2014 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Bullying is never your fault. There are some major character flaws on the part of the bullies.

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ALWAYS. Strong, confident people help others. Weak cowards bully!

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posted May 19, 2014 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
What about chiron in the 10th? Could that contribute to be bullied?

@meissieri: When looking at your aspects I have the feeling that you felt like being bullied rather than being actually being bullied

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The 10th house Chiron may feel he does not fit into society for some reason, of which he may feel shamed and different. The father may have hurt him a great deal.

A 4th House Chiron is the mother, which I have.

Chiron conj the MC shows his pain to the world, even if he does not want to, as no one really does lol

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posted May 19, 2014 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Just came on to say, don't take it personally.
Things happen.

Moon Neptune stands out to me for some reason.
Fantasy/emotion tied together.

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Thanks. Not always easy to believe that - at least more than rationally.

Yeah, it's a pretty strong aspect. It used to be hard to tell my own feelings apart from others'.

posted May 19, 2014 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Since bullying is in the charts, does that mean it is a lesson we are supposed to learn or things we are supposed to go through?

I have a bullying story. In high school, I planned on quitting school after my 16th birthday in 10th grade, so I didn't do anything academic while there. Somehow, I passed 9th (which doesn't speak well for the educational system) and made it to 10th. I hated high school. I let my hair grow and was part of the "Don't F with us" crowd. We were not really popular, but not unpopular. I sat with the cool kids who didn't dress out for PE. Anyway, a very awkward kid befriended me. He was a really cool guy on the inside. I sat with him at lunch. I think I was his only friend. One day, a few bullies came up to our table and started pushing and berating him. I sat there calmly and watched. They looked at me, and I was getting ready to fight if they approached me, but they didn't. I've always felt bad about that. I feel like I should have defended him. I was just lost in my thoughts as to what I would do if I had to fight them. I was checking out the environment and thinking about what I would do. Before I knew it, they were gone. I wasn't afraid of them. I was just preoccupied with strategic thoughts. But I always thought I was meant to stand up to the bullies for him. I always say I have no regrets in life, but this one thing haunts me.

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posted May 19, 2014 03:28 PM            

I can tell you each incident right now, as they are etched in my memory, as yours seems to be.

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posted May 19, 2014 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
What about chiron in the 10th? Could that contribute to be bullied?

@meissieri: When looking at your aspects I have the feeling that you felt like being bullied rather than having been actually bullied

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Yeah, I would think so. I mean, the 10th house is the most visible house you can have. Having Chiron there would make it stand out a lot.

Why do you think that? Can't say I'm surprised, I've heard it before. It was always hard to prove that I was really being treated badly.

posted May 19, 2014 03:34 PM            

However, his mother lost her legs and he had to caretake her. He gained a huge amount of weight to the point of very obese.

His pain could not be hidden as many people can hide it because it showed in his appearance. It was out there for everyone to see with the Chiron conj the MC.

I have noticed Chiron conj the MC in people who are publicly shamed with scandels. Their pain shows to the world at large.

I think Chiron conj the ASC is the hardest and the MC is the second hardest imo

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