posted August 26, 2014 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I don't get it. My dad is really against me being homeschooled when he knows I get bullied frequently and that I have troubles waking up at 5AM and focusing on my work. He's a teacher at my school and I just DO NOT understand. It's insane and it makes me so angry that he puts me up with this crap because of his idiotic view.

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Have you ever looked into any virtual schools?

posted August 26, 2014 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by earthypisces:
Have you ever looked into any virtual schools?

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Not yet because they haven't even given me a chance.

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Originally posted by TuxLuigi:
Probably because parents need to prove they can teach everything that is required, then have to follow a program and do the actual teaching, and they tend to not be willing to put so much time into that (surely because they are already working or something).

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posted August 26, 2014 05:23 PM            

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posted August 26, 2014 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by TuxLuigi:
Probably because parents need to prove they can teach everything that is required, then have to follow a progam and do the actual teaching, and they tend to not be willing to put so much time into that (surely because they are already working or something).

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Not in the US. If you can get your GED then you're qualified to homeschool your kids. The programs aren't that difficult anymore than it is for teachers. It's essentially making sure the simple reading is done and material mastered (typically through assignments when it comes to standard homeschooling, though other options also exist) so one can prove it on a test later. As long as a kid is fairly responsible (and most are, especially if they're motivated to not go back to a public school) then it's really not a problem, especially not for a professional teacher. It's basically just "homework."

That said, homeschooling can be expensive which is possibly the biggest incentive against it. Many find schools to be convenient and glorified babysitters and since they're paying for them with their taxes anyway they want to use them.

posted August 26, 2014 11:52 PM            

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That said, homeschooling can be expensive which is possibly the biggest incentive against it. Many find schools to be convenient and glorified babysitters and since they're paying for them with their taxes anyway they want to use them.

And many have this absurd notion (as they never learned better) that spending a lot of time as a kid being made sit next to people they don't have anything in common with other than age, can't talk a lot of the times (as that would be "disruptive" or "cheating"), and getting bullied helps "socialize" kids in a healthy way. (That said, some fringe groups do homeschool to prevent contact with mainstream society, and those kids really do need to be in a public school, or at least schooled somewhere other than home. Likewise, some fringe groups sell false lesson plans to spread their fringe beliefs by deceptive means which also help fund their cult or organization...obviously, no refunds if a parent finds out too late that the lesson plans promote Creationism dishonestly or deny that the Holocaust ever happened.)

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THIS ^^^

posted August 27, 2014 12:17 AM            

B/c it is seen as "abnormal"

There is a truism that the herd follows the herd, anything outside of the herd is seen as fill in the blank.

Being ego centric "I went through, what are they not able to go through it, what is wrong with them?!?!"

posted August 27, 2014 04:00 AM            

Schools are generally at least as unpleasant for teachers as they are for kids (though teachers normally don't have to worry about bullies). A great many teachers with genuine passion for helping kids become the best adults they can be believe our school system in the US need some major reforms, and some of them see advantages in homeschooling (if done for good reasons). Of course teachers more worried (or defensive) about their job will be against homeschooling (especially if their school receives funding by how many kids attend), though even they have been known to homeschool their own kids from time to time.

posted August 27, 2014 04:02 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
THIS ^^^

Karka, your dad probably sees your school as the best education you can get. I'm more concerned about the bullying you have referenced on here several times- does your dad understand how bad it is for you? This is why I was extremely angry about the exchange in the picture thread that took place a couple weeks ago.

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posted August 28, 2014 01:25 AM            

Once I got out of school I had to COMPLETELY deprogram myself out of the negative mindset and stupid, petty put downs I was surrounded by and thus somewhat absorbed. These put downs were like second nature since I had been completely submerged in this environment for so long. I managed to deprogram the negativity on my own once I was out of that hostile environment, learned not to say stupid things to other people.

I have found a great deal of the programming that occurs in public schools is about as destructive as being in a cult. When people break out of that mindset we say, "you've matured," but really it's getting out of that negative frame of mind and it happens once you leave the public schools. No one really seems to like being there except an elite clique and even they tend to have surly attitudes until they graduate.

posted August 28, 2014 01:44 AM            

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Originally posted by CatMote:
i think the lessons you learn in school arent from books, they are from people. anyone can pick up a damn book and read it, study it. what you learn in school is how to deal with people you hate, how to fight through the ******** to find people you love, how to develop a thick skin.

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posted August 28, 2014 04:46 AM            

Both are really qualified websites, with information in topics ranging from history to culture to math to science, and there are beginners classes too. Seriously, the courses are taught by top colleges like MIT, Rice, Stanford, etc, and in multiple languages. I know a friend who used these websites in order to give physically disabled students an easier means of getting class credits.

Hope this helps, and wishing you good luck. xxx

posted August 28, 2014 10:18 AM            

School is an emotionally toxic environment for way too many children.

If you are an adult and sticking with a partner who's verbally abusive, it's assumed that you have some "issues" yourself. There are hotlines you can call, shelters you can run to, resources for help.

Yet this same society forces its children to coexist with verbally abusive classmates, year after year. Where is the children's "opt out" button? Legally, they have none. They are told to suck it up and deal with it.

That's sick.

posted August 28, 2014 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I thought I'd point out that many voices that promote homeschooling are (or were) themselves teachers. One (John Taylor Gatto) even won the Teacher of the Year Award multiple times.

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posted August 28, 2014 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am sooo for home schooling!

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I Home-schooled my kids.

posted August 28, 2014 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
SSS

School is an emotionally toxic environment for way too many children.

If you are an adult and sticking with a partner who's verbally abusive, it's assumed that you have some "issues" yourself. There are hotlines you can call, shelters you can run to, resources for help.

Yet this same society forces its children to coexist with verbally abusive classmates, year after year. Where is the children's "opt out" button? Legally, they have none. They are told to suck it up and deal with it.

That's sick.

How do children learn to respect themselves when the System doesn't respect them? It's more of a challenge than it should be, to learn how to love ourselves after years of being surrounded with people who don't love us, because the social context actually inhibits communication and deeper understanding.

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Another thing I contemplated was moving to the local alternative school but it was only for the most vicious of kids who got suspended from the regular schools who would have most likely been worse than the kids at the regular ones.

They get a special school just for them only because they are so toxic no one wants to put up with them at the regular one and their school is much easier, more straightforward, no pointless, time wasting, extra curricular activities (I wasn't a jock or cheerleader anyway.) I think it most unfair to give these kids their own school just for being toxic.
I was so quiet most the time, yet I struggled academically and I would go home for lunch and not return until the next day. This is what did me in, lagging in work and absences, not anything to do with my behavior. I didn't have the will or courage to cause a huge disruption for the sole purpose of being released from the regular school in order to be accepted at the alternate one.

I also received stern lectures about my grades and not doing work, it just added to my anxiety. I felt hopeless about graduating so I just got away from it all and earned a GED instead. If I had been homeschooled, it would have meant the same outcome - GED.

I do think home schooling can really help with self confidence and esteem way more than any hostile environment. To this day I still suffer from lack of confidence, Post traumatic stress, anxiety, low self esteem all of it I can trace back to the years I spent in the public schools. Plus, it made my mother my enemy since I reasoned, how can anyone really love their child yet stand to put them through that every single day. There's no way you can really care about someone and see them go through that. Thus, my mom became one of "them" and I stopped trusting her completely, figured anything she advocated was motivated by causing me more pain, so my trust in her became completely eroded and I still do not trust her too much today even though it has gotten somewhat better.

My mother thought the only way to teach me responsibility was to have me stay in this environment and she had the same attitude as some here, that is the only way to learn to "get along" with others and it would have given me the wrong message removing me from it. She thought if there was a problem, it originated in me and it only meant I needed to be around classmates even more to overcome it. The reason it existed at all was proof I need even more time with classmates but I was significantly over taxed by it all and plus I am kinda weak physically and emotionally so that long day at school added to it. I needed a shorter day.

posted August 28, 2014 11:54 PM            

Then again, it's often particularly difficult for the smart, sensitive people to make it through school.

posted August 29, 2014 10:07 AM            

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It's also highly addictive. http://www.vyvansekids.com/side-effects-vyvanse.aspx

What's worse? Not being able to focus on your boring schoolwork or dying/suffering/becoming an addict/turning bipolar/etc. because of your ADHD medication????

Our society really thinks it's so necessary to do well in school, that it's worth parents risking their children's lives for?

posted August 29, 2014 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
School didn't do that for me, and I dislike everyone there. Seems like bull to me. Sorry.

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posted August 29, 2014 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ I always read your comments, SSS, because I find you intelligent, emotionally balanced, and interesting. So it's a big surprise to me that you had any trouble, social or academic, in school.

Then again, it's often particularly difficult for the smart, sensitive people to make it through school.

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