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TuxLuigi
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posted August 26, 2014 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TuxLuigi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everybody dies eventually. We cannot stop this order. All that is born must die, no matter the circumstances.

Death is soft. After all, death is nothing but the conclusion of everything good and bad we ever did. It is neither happy or sad, really. No matter how much suffering happens to us, death gives it an end. No matter what you may think - death is the ultimate end, or only a transition state, or the gate to a higher realm - the end of life is not a bad thing in itself. It is comparable to birth. It is neither good or bad, simply the natural state of things.

But the true pain is not death, it is life. More precisely, living while death surrounds us, all around, far or close. People just like us die, leaving behind messages of love, messages of hate, anything that might touch our deepest feelings. Leaving nothing behind too, sometimes. But when someone dies, it feels like a sting in our heart, opening it apart and unleashing all the painful thoughts we could possibly have.

What is this for? Is it to teach us to not cause the death of others? Certainly not, as war would point out. So what is this for? Why this sensibility to the death of others, when it is a natural occurence that has to happen at some point, and that cannot be reversed, and that will certainly happen to us too? We may feel that the death of others is injust. It is unfair. Maybe because we still have the priviliege of life while seeing these corpses. Or maybe because we are indignated at people who murder their human fellows for reasons that fanaticism, anger, impulses, irrationality dictate. After all, life is extremely precious, and many people get it taken away from them so easily. That may be what is unfair, as it applies to both possibilities.

So how do we resist against this? How do we stop becoming so emotional toward the death of others, hanging to a life that is no more, letting suffering go on even when death comes to stop it? We could participate in war ourselves, fight against those we believe to be the bringers of injustice, but then it would make us murderers too, letting the endless cycle of violence go on. Could we use non-violent ways to stop violent people? Obviously not, this goes against the very core of human nature, which is conflict. So what could we do to stop the suffering?

It is a work we need to do on ourselves. Death must not be praised, but at least accepted fully as being what it is, the fragile border between being alive and being a thing. The border we all have, as we are alive. Then we must think on the value of life. Is life extremely precious, as it is a rare gift, or poorly valued, as it is rather mundane, goes away rather easily and rather fast too?

Truth is, there is not much we can do. Death cannot be reversed. It cannot be prevented either. But it can be pushed away, life can be preserved. Must life be always preserved? I don't think so, death is not some sort of horrible evil thing that must be avoided no matter what. But how many people die only after a long life of suffering, or die before having an occasion to make something out of their life, or die after doing only good after them? Truly, the question that always comes up is "Is death unfair?" Maybe it is, maybe it is not. Why would the death of a dictator be more "just" than the death of an innocent child, when they are both human beings who would have ended up dying anyway? At the same time, how is death injust when it simply concludes life, no matter what?


I think we should distance death from emotions. The death of others cannot be prevented, our own death cannot be prevented, emotions will not push death away but only cause more suffering to the living. But I also believe that, at the same time, we should do all that we can to prevent other people from dying in unecessary ways, because death can be pushed away and life can be pushed further. An example of an amazing person who risks his life constantly to let others live longer is David Nott, I will let you look him up. But I also have a certain admiration for soldiers who fought and killed not to invade a nation, but to defend it, and defend the lives of many others.


Anyway, I guess I'm done with my nonsensical rambling. But what are your thoughts on the subject of death?

"Heureux ceux qui sont morts"
- Chales Péguy

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athenegoddess
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posted August 26, 2014 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Death can be prevented and it is avoidable. All you have to do is connect to your immortality and you will not taste death.

That's what it means in the bible when it states all those who believe in me shall not perish but have everlasting life.

I have been in communication with someone who died recently, and he is so SAD that he died and the truth is everyone who dies in the flesh ends up feeling like a loser because they almost never acknowledged the truth about themselves.

Jesus didn't die. Thats what he came to teach.

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TuxLuigi
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posted August 26, 2014 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TuxLuigi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Death can be prevented and it is avoidable. All you have to do is connect to your immortality and you will not taste death.

That's what it means in the bible when it states all those who believe in me shall not perish but have everlasting life.

I have been in communication with someone who died recently, and he is so SAD that he died and the truth is everyone who dies in the flesh ends up feeling like a loser because they almost never acknowledged the truth about themselves.

Jesus didn't die. Thats what he came to teach.


I was rather referring to death as we know it, as in, death of the flesh, on the physical plane.
And I believe death is, most of all, pain for those who are still living.

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athenegoddess
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posted August 26, 2014 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True, people are in pain for those who pass. But they shouldn't be because those people(souls) are just fine.

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rajji
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posted August 26, 2014 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tux and Athene....Much Love.

Death is the wages of Sin.
At its core, sin is rebellion against God.
Drink out of the waters of Salvation Today.
Dont lose Y-our Last Chance.

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