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charlie
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posted October 07, 2014 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But person in question is denying on all things holy?

Just wait for truth to appear or just listen to your gut and move person out of your life?

As a reference (in hindsight): your gut has never been wrong

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posted October 07, 2014 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Other than your gut - do you have any reasons to think they are lying? Have they lied to you before?

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posted October 07, 2014 07:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depends on the person, and depends on the lie.

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posted October 07, 2014 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
Other than your gut - do you have any reasons to think they are lying? Have they lied to you before?

Just patterns of weirdness veiled in fog...I know I sound insane. Perhaps I have way too much neptune going on in my chart and can't see nor think straight BUUUUUT.....there's a but.

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posted October 07, 2014 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Depends on the person, and depends on the lie.

A lie is a lie, pour moi

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Ami Anne
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posted October 07, 2014 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GREAT question, Charlie and we all have it

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posted October 07, 2014 08:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this an important person?

If so, then what if they are being truthful? Do you really feel they'd lie to you? Is this possible lie a big one or is it a small petty lie?

If this person means something to you then I'd trust them, a lie eventually unfolds and if they were then cut them off.

If it's a person who has a history of lying and you feel that they are then yes go with your gut.

I don't agree with lying but we aren't always aware of another person's situation. People lie for a number of reasons. If it means that much to you then talk to them one on one, be upfront and tell them how you feel and go from there.

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posted October 07, 2014 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ami Anne
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posted October 07, 2014 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is interesting that FBI agents says they always trust their guts

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posted October 07, 2014 09:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The number of people wrongly accussed because of the gut of an officer, judge or federal/state official is embarrassing.

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posted October 07, 2014 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will say this: I am 50% brain and 50% "feeling" and can switch between the two. (Literally 50/50 air and water) Do I have facts of lies and deceit? No. Do my feelings say yes? Yes. Ofcourse this wouldn't hold in a court of law but for me it's hard to ignore an ignited feeling simply because they have proven to be accurate.

I will give person the benefit of my doubts but I shall save this post and return to it.

And it wouldn't be one lie but many. The only thing I know for a fact is that person likes to dress in black because that I can see.

Thanks all!

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posted October 07, 2014 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
A lie is a lie, pour moi
I totally agree!
I do not tolerate liars.
No exceptions.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 07, 2014 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
The number of people wrongly accussed because of the gut of an officer, judge or federal/state official is embarrassing.


Very true, Barbie. I just remember reading a book on FBI people who say they trust their gut!

Barbie, how are you feeling?

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Very true, Barbie. I just remember reading a book on FBI people who say they trust their gut!

Barbie, how are you feeling?


I feel excellent, a little tired but very grateful, thanks for asking. Hope you're great as well.

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posted October 07, 2014 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Barbie. I am super busy with charts but loving it! loving it.

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posted October 07, 2014 12:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, well, Iím not at all saying that there is any right or wrong way to deal with it. Itís a part of what makes us all different. I want to throw this out as food for thought though, and give an idea about how I look at it.

Letís say that I lied to you and told you that I was not previously Zander916 on here. Iím some random, anonymous guy online who lied (hypothetically) about something that really isnít important to anyone. It really doesnít matter.

Vs.

Your S.O. lies to you about having talked inappropriately to one of your very good friends. Itís someone that you had a lot of trust in. You are emotionally invested in this person and feel betrayed, possibly even by your friend if they also lied about it.

Do you hold those in the same regard?

Thereís people at work for example. They might be kind of work buddies you could say. No one that I hang out with outside of work, but enjoy talking to and having some laughs with. They say, promise, that they will not tell anyone something that you want them to keep hush hush about. But they do tell. Really, I donít get mad about it. Firstly, if Iím unsure, I donít tell someone something that Iím not prepared to have anyone else know anyway. Once I find out that they canít keep secrets, I simply restrict what I say to them. I donít get mad. I just have less trust. I think itís good for the relationship to someone who I have to interact with regularly. Itís better for me to have peace, than to get mad.

Plus, a ďwhite lieĒ from a S.O./spouse is a little different than one from an acquaintance, to me it is. I do value honesty and I expect nothing short of TOTAL honesty from someone so close to me.

How do you feel about some of the examples Iíve given?

As for my gut, I do trust it. In the case of a suspected lie, I turn into a ruthless investigator. But, it's not the only reason that I would act like one. Things like that, but it all depends on the things above. If itís insignificant to me, who cares, is my thought.

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posted October 07, 2014 12:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank you, Barbie. I am super busy with charts but loving it! loving it.


Good for you Ami. Keep it up.

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posted October 07, 2014 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Barbie dear but YOU are doing the really important work

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posted October 07, 2014 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see a difference in a lie that facilitates harm to self and/or others and lies that are just to save face, get away with an indiscretion (which may be minor as breaking a diet or major as infidelity), or even intended to protect someone (which, generally speaking, is a good lie in my view). In the case of harm (like say the child abuse thing) or a major indiscretion/betrayal I'd be much more determined to find the truth of it...or at least why I was convinced it was true. (There's also an important distinction to me between someone lying and someone being a habitual liar.)

I wouldn't believe my gut is always right simply because everyone who has ever said that has been proven wrong to me (they only remember when they're right and forget when they're not) and interesting enough their intuition is usually worse than most people, and therefore I'd be worried the same was true of me. The only exception is where this gut feeling only comes once in a blue moon, and even then I'd have to wonder if it was a mistake unless it was accompanied by some weird and unmistakeable paranormal and/or physiological phenomenon (as say similar to Cordelia Chase ). OTOH, you seem to attract all sorts of bad people to yourself and if that were me I'd wonder if I was just noticing a pattern (which can translate as a gut feeling, and very likely one to end up being true), and also why I seemed to keep drawing those sorts of people and what I could do to change that.

But assuming I just KNEW somehow it was true then I'd look for evidence. If I know something then I at least have an idea on how to go about learning more. If these gut feelings were common then that should be even more helpful.

And if I felt I can't trust someone (just because I trusted my feelings so much) I'd get rid of them. Even if my gut was wrong I still couldn't trust them so why bother trying? Kinder to both to end it fast. At least the person knows why contact was cut, fair or unjust as the case may be. That would be that for me in that case unless I believed someone innocent was in serious danger or was guilty of a serious malicious crime. But as accusing someone of of a crime (especially an intended one) comes with all sorts of complications (and CSI is not an accurate portrayal of investigation) and it's not what you know but what you can prove (which is a good thing) along with being subject to criminal charges as well as civil liability for making statements about criminal activity (to the public and/or police) that are considered frivolous I'd still have to have more grounds than my gut before trying to help. And that sounds dangerous. Guess it all depends on the sitch.

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posted October 07, 2014 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would they have something to gain from lying to you or something to lose if they told the truth?

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posted October 08, 2014 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Would they have something to gain from lying to you or something to lose if they told the truth?

Things in past might not be very likeable and they might not also be so much in the past as stated.

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posted October 29, 2014 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 30, 2014 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just had an experience I wrote about in which a guy wanted a chart done but I KNEW I should have told him I was not able to do it.

I knew it! It was a hassle from the beginning to the end. It is over now but I have since told a person that I was not the right person for her.

I will never accept a client if my intuition tells me otherwise.

Can you think of one situation that went well when you went against your intuition

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