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Ami Anne
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posted November 16, 2014 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any Opening Poster, Mod or Non Mod, can ask for her/his thread to be closed if she/he does not like the DIRECTION in which it is going. I didn't and hence closed it lol


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aquaguy91
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posted November 16, 2014 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Didn't I see you say something about doubting any women who says that she was raped? That isn't logical, given how common it is for women to be sexually assaulted.

I probably didn't phrase that the right way. I should have said I do not take womens stories at face value because there are cases where women lie. I am skeptical of women who claim to have been raped but refuse to report it and get help. IMO women who really got raped would go to the cops and get help. There's absolutely zero reason not to unless they are lying or exaggerating things. The bottom line is women have the court system and society at large on their side and have no reason to fear coming forward. The reactions to my posts prove this. I am an ignorant a**hole because I openly admit that I don't automatically believe everything women say. Of course we all know women never lie. Only an ignorant a**hole like me thinks otherwise.

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posted November 16, 2014 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I have a HELL of a lot that I'd like to say but will absolutlely keep to myself as its unnecessary. That thread was closed for a reason, we should keep this thread on topic before it too gets closed

+1 Yeah

AG, I don't have time for your ignorance and Ami I don't have time for your cowardly actions to respond either.

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posted November 16, 2014 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, it was a difficult topic, and of course people are going to be upset if someone is there accusing women of lying about being raped, in order to gain in some fashion. It isn't "trendy".

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Barbiegirl19
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posted November 16, 2014 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Any Opening Poster, Mod or Non Mod, can ask for her/his thread to be closed if she/he does not like the DIRECTION in which it is going. I didn't and hence closed it lol



You shouldn't have to explain your actions to anyone here, Ami. Good job closing as it would've gotten even nastier.

My candidate for mod here would be, err I'm not sure who comes here most often, Pixie Jane? Just trying to help get it back on topic.

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posted November 16, 2014 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
IMO women who really got raped would go to the cops and get help. There's absolutely zero reason not to unless they are lying or exaggerating things.


But that isn't the case, because the victim is almost *always* seen as having brought it on herself, somehow. What was she wearing, where were they when it happened? Had she gone willingly into his car, or his home? Well, then, she should be expected to be raped. (Ugh!)

My mother was raped by her fiance, years ago. I am *still* ****** about that.

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Barbiegirl19
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posted November 16, 2014 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami you should close this thread as its clearly being bombarded with the drama from the closed thread.

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Ami Anne
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posted November 16, 2014 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Ami, it was a difficult topic, and of course people are going to be upset if someone is there accusing women of lying about being raped, in order to gain in some fashion. It isn't "trendy".

This topic cannot be discussed here, it seems.

I was thinking in terms of Bill Cosby, per se, and did not realize it would go afield of that which was probably not too smart.

Once I realized it, I closed it.

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posted November 16, 2014 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Ami you should close this thread as its clearly being bombarded with the drama from the closed thread.

I am calm, and not being dramatic. I think the thread should remain open. I haven't been rude to AG, and he hasn't been rude to me.

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posted November 16, 2014 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
I am calm, and not being dramatic. I think the thread should remain open. I haven't been rude to AG, and he hasn't been rude to me.

I never once said that you did or were or that he was. That topic was closed, therefore shouldn't have been carried and continued here. Why copy his response from that thread and continue it here? It's done, is it not? That's all I was saying.

Edit Seeing that he too is contuining it. Why can't we let it go?


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posted November 16, 2014 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I have a HELL of a lot that I'd like to say but will absolutlely keep to myself as its unnecessary. That thread was closed for a reason, we should keep this thread on topic before it too gets closed. Carrying drama over from a thread that was closed shows the intent of the poster who carried it over.

If you have something you would like to discuss with me, please do it directly. I am bringing up an issue because PisceanDream was being framed for something she really didn't do. She was calm and composed in her response and is actually upset about this.

I would like to have another mod here because of these situations.

Obviously, you are holding your tongue because you want to say something about me. I do not have any issues with you, but it seems as though you have issues with me? Is it because I took Karka's side on few things? I mean, I would rather you just say what you need to say if that is the case, it isn't good to hold things in.

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posted November 16, 2014 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I never once said that you did or were or that he was. That topic was closed, therefore shouldn't have been carried and continued here. Why copy his response from that thread and continue it here? It's done, is it not? That's all I was saying.

I responded to something that he said in this thread. I didn't see a copy of his post.

People were upset that the thread was closed. I wish I had the patience to be a moderator, but I'm still trying to stabilize things in my own life, and I also don't always feel comfortable here.

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posted November 16, 2014 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
PisceanDream...don't sweat it.

Ami is just like that. Anyone who's been around the block at LL is familiar with it: she is divisive on purpose. I've fought her modship on these grounds and many people have outright left because of it.

Just know that the issue really has *nothing* to do with you or what you said. What you said was fine and fair. You were just the latest victim of framing.


Thank you for extending your support and reassurance to me. It means a lot. You're a great person, Faith, really. I guess I am just now catching up with that side of LL. With your heads up, I'll definitely be more careful.

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aquaguy91
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posted November 16, 2014 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:

But that isn't the case, because the victim is almost *always* seen as having brought it on herself, somehow. What was she wearing, where were they when it happened? Had she gone willingly into his car, or his home? Well, then, she should be expected to be raped. (Ugh!)

My mother was raped by her fiance, years ago. I am *still* ****** about that.



Honey,
That's the way our court system operates, it's not exclusive to women who are rape victims. If I was assaulted by another man today and called the cops they would ask me the same or similar questions. The burden of proof would be on me because I would be accusing someone of a serious crime. And you know what? I'm glad our court system is set up that way! You are innocent until proven guilty. I realize our justice system is imperfect but I like it alot better than what feminists want. If feminists had their way women would be able to call an anonymous hotline and accuse a man of rape and have him arrested and thrown in prison without a trial. You yourself just implied that women should get special treatment by cops... They don't need to answer important questions about the situation because that's unpleasant and victim blaming.

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posted November 16, 2014 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I might sound like a nut....


I think, I really feel my Progressed Sag moon kicking in! I've been noticing a change in me this month since it entered Sag on Nov. 1st.

This all seems... silly. I don't mean to insult anyone or to call them silly.. or... you know. I care about people. But honestly, none of us (that I know of) are official spokespeople for the topic of rape. It's against the law and is punished. It's not even up to US if it's believed or not, you know? Consider the source of the things said that you dislike. Whether or not one, single, man on an online forum really believes that or not is, in the big scheme of things - very VERY small. I know I've had my issues, we all have issues. We all get passionate and upset and being passionate is a really great thing. It moves mountains. But you really need to draw a line in the sand and ask yourself, "Is this worth having it put me in such a mood?". You get me?
If you step back, really just take a step back, and look at this. It's pretty small. We don't need to control anyone else's mind. What someone else thinks, who has no power whatsoever, is really irrelevant. From both sides of the fence. Regardless of the outcome of this argument, the facts of rape do not change.
You have so much life outside of here, outside of this. You have places to go, things to see, people to see. You know?
I guess... you can look at it like this. There are people that I care about, here on LL too. I invest myself, and my emotions into those people. To invest yourself, and your emotions into people that mean nothing to you, or worse, annoy you, is really a waste of your time, of your energy, and of your emotions. Am I making sense?
Cultivate, water... feed... the things that build you and that bring positivity to you. It really reminds me of that little story. A Native American Cheif is talking to his grandson. He tells him, "grandson, there's two wolves living in each person. Two wolves that fight each other. One is evil, one is good." The grandchild asks, "Well, which one wins, Grandpa?". His grandfather replies, "The one that you feed."
Too often, including myself as I'm very well known for it, we feed the bad wolf. We're all better people than this. We all deserve a lot more than this.
This accomplished nothing in the end but hurt feelings and it's senseless.
Everyone should walk away, hold their head up. It's a "debate" on an online forum, gone wrong. One, teeny, tiny place, when you think of the world, and even more-so if you think of the internet world.
There's so much out there. Don't let it get you down.
Get up, have some lunch, a coffee... go out with a friend. Make a coworker laugh if you're at work. Read something funny... run into another thread that you find interesting. Don't allow this thing to grind on you, or haunt you, or put you in a poor mood. Don't allow those things because doing so gives it permission to rob you of your happiness and really, we're just too good for that. We deserve more than that.
Walk away, say, "well that sucked. We have a lot of work to do in this world" and do what you do. Project your light into the world and just be. Shine your light, whatever it is, and you'll attract the right people near to you.

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posted November 16, 2014 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
If you have something you would like to discuss with me, please do it directly. I am bringing up an issue because PisceanDream was being framed for something she really didn't do. She was calm and composed in her response and is actually upset about this.

I would like to have another mod here because of these situations.

Obviously, you are holding your tongue because you want to say something about me. I do not have any issues with you, but it seems as though you have issues with me? Is it because I took Karka's side on few things? I mean, I would rather you just say what you need to say if that is the case, it isn't good to hold things in.


Not going there, Bella, not today and not here as its not necessary. When I feel the time is right I will withhold my tongue holding and talk with you.

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posted November 16, 2014 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think we were having an important discussion, but whatever. What's the point of discussing if we can't handle the other person's argument? I've seen so much more nastiness here that wasn't even about anything important. I think it was lame to close it. Of course starting a topic about Bill Cosby's rape accusation is going to bring up someone saying something offensive about rape - society is still super backwards on the topic - and of course it will be discussed..

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posted November 16, 2014 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So yes, more objective mods please
Nothing personal
But ya gotta be objective to be a good mod, I mean come on

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posted November 16, 2014 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what about I am so cappy?

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posted November 16, 2014 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I never once said that you did or were or that he was. That topic was closed, therefore shouldn't have been carried and continued here. Why copy his response from that thread and continue it here? It's done, is it not? That's all I was saying.

Edit Seeing that he too is contuining it. Why can't we let it go?



I think it's more important to keep talking about it, letting it go is why it's still a problem. BUT I'LL SHUT UP NOW i know it's not 'on topic.' I am procrastinating on homework anyway..

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posted November 16, 2014 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People are not responsible enough to carry on this conversation.

attack - defend - attack - defend.. attacks get worse - defenses get worse.

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posted November 16, 2014 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Close Sesame.

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