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Faith
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posted November 04, 2014 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a little weirded out to find not one but TWO modern television shows with freaky computer analysis of the person being done over:

Snog, Marry, Avoid

The Swan Beginning @ 2:00

Snog, Marry, Avoid defers to a kind of omniscient computer who re-scales everything according to predetermined beauty standards. The Swan uses weird music and computer graphics...um, just click the link to see what I mean.

What the heck? I thought we were past this. It reminds me of "futuristic" technology you see in 60's sci-fi movies. It's also kind of pathetic...like we are aiming for standardized beauty, and putting computers in the seat of the Judge? Since when is beauty such an objective thing that computers have the final say? Because that's what the message seems to be here. And it annoys me. I mean...some people LIKE "distinctive" facial features like hook noses, crow's feet, moles, multiple face piercings, and whatnot.

Anyone have any ideas about what's causing the trend, astrologically or socially? Maybe the Pluto-Uranus square?

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posted November 05, 2014 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Human nature and the need to number and control every facet of life via means of technology.

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posted November 05, 2014 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune in Pisces representing an ideal standard of beauty? Maybe Pluto in Capricorn? (Capricorn and perfectionism?)

I see Uranus in Aries, square Pluto, as the Hunger Games, and Katniss Everdeen.

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posted November 05, 2014 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Padre35:

Human nature and the need to number and control every facet of life via means of technology.


+1

Yeah. Its everywhere: how many people do you see posting "selfies" photoshopped to da gawds looking for thousands of comments for validation? It is super easy to manipulate pictures and images in social media, which only perpetuates ridiculous standards. I hope one day this part of technology phases out- we spend (as in most people, not addressed to every Internet user) so much time putting up a story or illusion about our lives just to keep up with everyone instead of being content with the now.

Obviously, not all people use the Internet in this manner, so I don't mean to judge or generalize. Its just turned into a chest puffing contest for many people, both intentionally and unintentionally.

Same idea with that stupid symmetry analyzer- just because your face isn't perfectly symmetrical doesn't mean your attractiveness on a 1-10 scale should be lower. Yeah, yeah I already know 'symmetrical' people are supposed to be more attractive, but really it comes down to the sum of all parts. I know plenty of unsymmetrical people that are drop dead good looking. I don't get the appeal of cookie cutter beauty, nothing special about being the same.

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posted November 05, 2014 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh God.. You should see these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMwB6p25QYU

^^LoL

Not exactly on topic.. but still...
They also created a tail recently, but apparently it's not selling as well as the ears.

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posted November 05, 2014 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone noticed that beauty ideals today are actually more rigid? I find that people are even more superficial and into smoke and mirrors these days, compared to then [60-200 years ago]

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posted November 05, 2014 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Padre35:

Human nature and the need to number and control every facet of life via means of technology.


It's creepy!!

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posted November 05, 2014 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Neptune in Pisces representing an ideal standard of beauty? Maybe Pluto in Capricorn? (Capricorn and perfectionism?)

I see Uranus in Aries, square Pluto, as the Hunger Games, and Katniss Everdeen.


Hmmm...I do think Cap perfectionism could be driving it...but it's warped by that Uranus square.

I mean some of these women look totally plastic when they are done over. That's not perfection, that's...bizarre.

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posted November 05, 2014 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Yeah, yeah I already know 'symmetrical' people are supposed to be more attractive, but really it comes down to the sum of all parts.

That's the phrase I had been looking for..."it comes down to the sum of all parts."

And you're right, people are living in front of cameras more, where a frozen face may have an advantage, but in real life, where motion is required...they may not excel so much. But I don't know, maybe my own aesthetics are way down on the learning curve and this is a look people can adapt to.


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posted November 05, 2014 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
Oh God.. You should see these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMwB6p25QYU

^^LoL

Not exactly on topic.. but still...
They also created a tail recently, but apparently it's not selling as well as the ears.


That's cute though. I vote "yes" to making them a trend.

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posted November 05, 2014 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Has anyone noticed that beauty ideals today are actually more rigid? I find that people are even more superficial and into smoke and mirrors these days, compared to then [60-200 years ago]

I think it's all over the spectrum, at least we don't all have to wear corsets...but if you want to succeed in the upper class you may be embarrassed to have wrinkles that could easily be fixed...or whatever. I'm not there so I don't know.

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posted November 05, 2014 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I loved those "neurowear" cat ears, too, heh.

By interesting coincidence I was just introducing a cyberpunk character and her psychology that made her obsessed with cats and was using cybernetics, nanite rebuilding of certain cosmetic traits, and artificial biology to become a living cat person, complete with ears that she has a direct neural interface circuit to so that they reflect her mood (and she can consciously control them, plus they double as bionic ears that can function as a shotgun microphone with sound filtering). She also has a cybernetic tail (which helps her in balance). But even by the standards of the time she's seen as something of a freak and some public places won't even let her in...though the black market street docs love her for all the money she wastes on them for her bodmods and continual upgrades. Though it all doubles as a disguise anyway as she's being hunted, but should they ever connect her to Neko (Japanese for "cat") the "cat lady" (and they have access to her psyche profile that mentions her obsession with cat people, particularly in regard to Japanese folk tales involving cats) then her life is going to get more interesting than she wants.

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posted November 05, 2014 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ I love that!

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posted November 06, 2014 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
It's creepy!!

Not surprising tho, reason being is technology only sees things in numbers, literally, it can do so at an exponential rate.

The machine does NOT see people, it sees numbers and processe calculations/algorithms.

YES beauty has become more rigid simply because technology has become more precise as to WHAT beauty is to the mass who consumers it.

Anyone else recall the Ms South Carolina contestant who literally, was dumb as a block of wood?

I do, this is the course the Brave New World has taken.


Scrunton in the War on Beauty argues it is an outgrowth of societies being surrounded by utilitarian objects rather than beautiful objects. Meaning buildings, art, even writing, or music.

Twerk videos are merely just an outgrowth.

I thought that couple had style, also thought they went too far with masking themselves with the piercings.

Brad Pitt's style...c'mon man

What next, six pack abs in every BF and DD's in every GF..this is where things are headed


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posted November 06, 2014 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
+1

Yeah. Its everywhere: how many people do you see posting "selfies" photoshopped to da gawds looking for thousands of comments for validation? It is super easy to manipulate pictures and images in social media, which only perpetuates ridiculous standards. I hope one day this part of technology phases out- we spend (as in most people, not addressed to every Internet user) so much time putting up a story or illusion about our lives just to keep up with everyone instead of being content with the now.

Obviously, not all people use the Internet in this manner, so I don't mean to judge or generalize. Its just turned into a chest puffing contest for many people, both intentionally and unintentionally.

Same idea with that stupid symmetry analyzer- just because your face isn't perfectly symmetrical doesn't mean your attractiveness on a 1-10 scale should be lower. Yeah, yeah I already know 'symmetrical' people are supposed to be more attractive, but really it comes down to the sum of all parts. I know plenty of unsymmetrical people that are drop dead good looking. I don't get the appeal of cookie cutter beauty, nothing special about being the same.


Thing is, ppl want to be led, ppl want sex, men and women, that is what this is all about IMO.

Tinder, snap chat etc, not the ppl in the video rather society as a whole.

For the beautiful ppl..great..it also means after having heads and eyes filled with this stuff for yrs it then would mean to settle is to basically tell oneself "I'm not good enough for X"

It's poisonous, as if happiness long term relies on facial symmetry/ratios..yet that is what ppl are hit with constantly.

This is why I have a bit of empathy for a certain Aquarian

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posted November 07, 2014 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah.. I thought the cat ears were cute... But... Ok... Maybe this is me being paranoid but I'm kind of wary of Furry fandom, and also creeped out by those who have a sexual fetish for dressing up as animals - specially dogs or cats.
I just wouldn't want my cat ears to inadvertently play into someone else's fetish :/

I'm usually open minded about everything between two consenting adults (as long as health risks are kept at bay) - but this pet or animal theme is something I'm not ok with in that setting - because I feel like it's kind of disrespectful towards animals and comes close to condoning bestiality.

It's similar in my mind to a paedofile who might control themselves and not actually target children... but they might role-play things sexually with an adult who looks young(or underdeveloped) and/or is dressed as a child.

Am I exaggerating with this?
I mean I'm aware that many might not be into bestiality and maybe they are truly just role playing... But ... yeah... I'm just wary basically.

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posted November 07, 2014 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those cat ears are meant to be fashion, not fetish. Here, a guy immerses himself in the eccentric weirdness for Japanese fashion (some of which spreads to the rest of the world):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac4AjW6kG4M

As for furries, most of them aren't into it in a sexual way. And even those who are find the anthropomorphizing an important aspect of it, that is they need a human face and voice, and also hips.

Though I did read an article by Cracked on disturbing sex toys (they have more than one article) and apparently sex shops (not to be confused with Neurowear or whatever they're called) do sell items that could be seen as targeting the bestiality people (or it could just be seen as a way to degrade a partner by reducing him or her to an animal, pick one).

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posted November 07, 2014 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Padre -
I don't feel like society rewards physical beauty half as much as it rewards being a 'typical' -western white male- aged: 20-55, preferably of an English-speaking background (and also in reasonably good mental/physical health).

When someone is in this category (Western + White + Male + American or British or.. etc.) and they are also ambitious and decided on their goals - every door in the world opens for them. There isn't ONE door that would shut in their face.
That's the truth. The world is well and truly their oyster.

:edit: I forgot to mention - their socio-economic status. That is also a relevant factor.
But I would put discrimination on the basis of physical appearance lower on the list - after gender-based discrimination, racial discrimination, nationality-based discrimination, age-discrimination, disability-discrimination and social status and/or economic status discrimination.

If a person does not fall into many of this areas ^ - so they are young, healthy and so on.. even if they are average or bad looking, they won't be very discriminated against (if at all).

However, if an individual is extremely good looking but they have a disability and their background is lets say Islamic, and they also have a strong accent... Do you think the world would treat them 'equally' or better than the next person?

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posted November 07, 2014 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Those cat ears are meant to be fashion, not fetish. Here, a guy immerses himself in the eccentric weirdness for Japanese fashion (some of which spreads to the rest of the world):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac4AjW6kG4M

As for furries, most of them aren't into it in a sexual way. And even those who are find the anthropomorphizing an important aspect of it, that is they need a human face and voice, and also hips.

Though I did read an article by Cracked on disturbing sex toys (they have more than one article) and apparently sex shops (not to be confused with Neurowear or whatever they're called) do sell items that could be seen as targeting the bestiality people (or it could just be seen as a way to degrade a partner by reducing him or her to an animal, pick one).


I was hoping you'd reply, because I don't actually know a lot about Furries and you're usually informed on many different topics.. I wasn't sure what to make of this interest when I came across it. So it's not usually a sexual fetish for them?
Is it more like superhero-type fandom?

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posted November 07, 2014 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends. A lot of furries are fans of certain anime involving anthropomorphized animals so it's just a type of cosplay for them as with any other show. Others feel it expresses a part of them that is repressed by modern society. Still others are a type of otherkin which are people who feel they are souls of things other than human, from dragons to ordinary animals (some include "starseeds" and the like as a type of otherkin).

The type of erotic furry fandom is known as yif or yiffing (YIFF can also stand for Young Incredibly F* Furry)...I read somewhere how that name came to be and found it both amusing and interesting (and I think ironic) but I can't recall it now. Yiffing can just be fan art/fic (as you'll find in all fandoms, I've even seen some over the top explicit Star Trek fics, one in which season 1--and thus underage--Wesley had 3 different explicit sexual encounters with crew members while talking about others as he went from the bridge to his quarters, including commanding officers, before I found it completely tiresome and Wesley still hadn't reached his quarters yet) but can sometimes be erotic roleplaying as furries. I have no idea how common it is but it wouldn't surprise me if most into bestiality were outside the fandom.

An inside look at the furry fandom can be seen starting here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdaOPW_kdXA

If you want to jump to directly how it was made into something sexual by the media which most in the fandom have been trying to shake off ever since (and how when one venue was abandoned for its erotic elements it dried up while the new conventions stay strong) you can start here:
http://youtu.be/v9wWYD1vuWw?t=1m46s

And here are some high schoolers being interviewed who have chosen to be werewolves (as an identity and fashion statement):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q77sJT8O56E

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