posted June 08, 2015 02:33 PM            

Let's make this thread as a kind of safe place to express your individual, one of a kind views on sex, gender, attraction, breaking tradition etc., how you identify, do you even identify, do you think you stand out from the crowd..

We all know there are certain social expectations we are supposed to fill, we are to enjoy in sex with the opposite sex, if you are a guy you are to have a huge libido and be aggressive in bed, if you a girl you only have to have enough libido to be physically available anytime and willing to accept, embrace, passively receive. God forbid you don't ever want to have sex. Or god forbid if you're a woman who isn't emotionally responsive, or a very affectionate, cuddly man.

Share your stories. Let's break all the bullsh*t evolutionary tales male/female, it's in our genes, primal attraction etc. And all other deterministic theories that have come to rule the minds of people (I'm looking at you, Freud!)

I'll begin by saying a thing or two about myself, just to open the thread. I've begun to investigate my views and feelings on sex/gender etc. lately, it's deeply connected with reading feminist books and also talking to my friends about it more profoundly. I have a friend and one day when travelling in a big city we started this game, we were to say a code word anytime one thought of sex very explicitly, with my friend it was almost every minute, it was bewildering for me. I have never said it she explained me that every time an attractive fellow passes, she immediately imagines him naked, how it would be to have sex with him etc. For me that happens once in a couple of years she has a libido of a man, or even worse, which I envy. She has until now enjoyed sex with every man she had it with.. it doesn't take much for her to enjoy really, so for that I envy her

I've had my share of experience with men, but honestly, most are really really selfish, and have disappointed me greatly. I do get attracted to men, and when I'm the one that calls the shots, pursuing, being bit aggressive, then sex is great. So for me, aggression is sex. Not that I'm violent, far from that, but I can't seem to turn on without wanting to "destroy" him in a metamorphic sense, so I like man who are more "feminine", or just a bit more passive.

But, I don't think of sex, I don't have sex, I really don't need it. And I would never live with a man, just can't imagine it and I prefer to be single. I hate one night stands - men just empty themselves. Friends with benefits is a mess, tried it never again thank you.

I could live with a woman though, quite easily. I haven't been sexually attracted to a woman (yet), and would willingly convert to a lesbian. What concerns me is that women "seem" (maybe just a stereotype) to be very affectionate, cuddly, I am not the person to be emotionally available all the time, nor am I touchy touchy. I do get turned on by movies with lesbian love scenes. My favorite movie is Kyss mig.

Since my progressed Aries ascendant I have changed in my looks, behaviour, I am more androgynous than ever before, and I don't care that I match less people's criteria about ideal aesthetics, I don't give a toss.

posted June 08, 2015 07:44 PM            

quote:

---

Share your stories. Let's break all the bullsh*t evolutionary tales male/female, it's in our genes, primal attraction etc. And all other deterministic theories that have come to rule the minds of people (I'm looking at you, Freud!)

---

LOL ^ I feel you!
Not a Freud fan haha

quote:

---

But, I don't think of sex, I don't have sex, I really don't need it. And I would never live with a man, just can't imagine it and I prefer to be single.

---

I relate to this. I never think of sex and I much prefer living alone. I generally can't "live" with anyone - regardless of gender. I like having my own space.

That being said... I've never had issues with either gender. You were saying most men were not what you expected. Many people seem to feel this way about whichever gender they are attracted to. But I can't say I do!

I had maybe two experiences with men that I would consider seriously negative (only one of these was romantic).
I've also had one or two toxic experiences, with certain women in my past.
But I generally can't relate to people expressing anger or disappointment towards - either masculinity or femininity.

When I look at the world around me, I generally just see people as people - as human. Their gender doesn't figure much in my emotional reactions towards them (or the extent to which I like/dislike their personalities).

Gender, along with many other 'outer' characteristics... is kind of irrelevant to me, when it comes to getting close to people, having relationships with them, trusting them... etc.
I've had both male and female close friends. I could just as easily get close to someone who was intersex or transgender (but as far as I know I haven't).

When it comes to sex, I'm disinterested and always have been. I'm asexual/demisexual. I neither have a strong drive nor desire for sex. Those few times when I did develop intense feelings for another person - and I did have sexual feelings towards them, I was able to be passionate on that level.

I'm pretty self-aware, so I'm aware of my sexual likes/dislikes and what I see as "satisfying" sex (on a purely physical level). This is entirely independent of the fact that I have -zero- desire for it 99% of the time.

I should add that, I am most definitely not sex-repulsed. Some asexual people describe having a repulsion towards sex. I've never felt this way. I'm purely indifferent. There is nothing about sex that repulses me.
For instance, watching porn to me - is like watching paint dry... or sometimes like watching a comedy, if there are funny parts.
Very -rarely- if the plot line to a movie reminds me of a person I already had intense emotions towards (who I was attracted to, in my past) - I can experience a kind of "vicarious" turn-on. But porn generally has no plot line at all, so it's highly boring.

When it comes to who I could be attracted to... I guess anyone I get very emotionally close to, is in that basket.
I've normally been attracted to men - so I consider myself a hetero-romantic demisexual. But I don't at all rule out the possibility of being panromantic.
I've just never felt this way ^, past tense - but I guess anything could happen.

posted June 09, 2015 05:26 AM            

I have seen your open minded views about the sexes, gender etc., it's fairly optimistic and nonjudgemental, which I wholeheartedly appreciate, and I like your posts on those »drama« threads, because they seem to soothe things down, balance it a little. And I wish people would forget about gender when interacting, getting to know new people, not having certain expectations, prejudice, so with no rigid anticipations, giving everybody a chance  also, I admire you for your patience and understanding lot of times, when I would have in your place long ago told someone to sod off, given up on them, with no chance of making them see a clearer picture etc.

But, having said that, you can't deny nor ignore that one's sex/gender is a great factor in deciding your raising, your social circumstances, social expectations, your experience, so in the end it is a deciding factor in many ways. Sure, there are different conditions in different parts of the world, somewhere it carries bigger weight, but still, even in »western« society the summed up experience of men and women in general differentiate. I won't say »all men are pigs«, because that's somewhat of a cliche phrase, which women say almost automatically, (even though it's mostly not a serious statement, it's said as a sympathetic, half joking thing that women do when confiding about their problems with men) and of course it's not true. But I can say, that men are more likely to be ________ than women, or that the majority of men have this and this views etc., the same goes for women. I wish there were no differences of the two genders, but they are.
Oh, but I don't want this thread to be about differences between men and women, again so I'll shut up about that

I am very grateful to you for writing about your sexuality, you are one of those few members who don't stop explaining if things need to be explained , to raise awareness, understanding to me, it was very eye opening. I've never heard of the term asexuality before LL. I just thought that people who don't want to have sex, have either had unpleasant or even violent experience in the past, or they're simply frigid (a word I now hate, as so many medical terms).

Do you feel you're over-discussing, because you feel you've exposed yourself too much? I know I had hard time writing about some things, it's different when you comment something in a thread not primarily about sexuality, just pieces, or when you write a lot together in one stroke.

Hm, I wanted to ask you, do you think you were born this way? What was your attitude toward sex in childhood? I believe that sexuality is not something inborn, we grow it up, it develops, I don't know if you share this opinion, but I would still be very grateful if you could share what were your family's attitude towards sex, did you talk with parent about it? I don't want to »analyse« you or anything like that, nor do I make presumptions, I have some issues with psychology, I would just like to hear your story, if you think anything has influenced your sexuality

posted June 09, 2015 12:44 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I'm a straight guy, boring right? Well I think there are some things that set me apart from the average straight guy. For starters... Most young straight guys can have sex with any woman regardless of her looks or personality if they are horny enough. Me? I can't do it... Things don't work if you know what I mean. How do I know? I have tried having sex with a woman I wasn't attracted to and couldn't even get an erection. When I tell other guys that they are mystified and tell me that they could literally have sex with any woman they weren't attracted to and find it enjoyable. They are even more mystified when I tell them that I can't even get pleasure out of a BJ if I'm not into her. Guys look at me like I'm from outer space when I tell them things like that. They just don't get it... My good looking friend that regularly sleeps with attractive girls even told me he'll occasionally sleep with an obese girl because they have big boobs and he is a boob man. Lots of guys are really that simple! They see a woman that has big boobs or a big butt and they go "boing" and that's all they need to want to have sex with her. I'm not like that... I am not able to get sexually aroused over boobs or butts or anything else on its own. I am attracted to the whole package, looks and personality. I'm not one of these guys that gets horny and wants to bang any chick with **** or a thick azz! In all honesty I wish I was one of those dudes tho. Life would be a lot more simple if I had zero standards like most guys seem to have.

---

posted June 09, 2015 07:29 PM              

However I've never had a sexual encounter with a woman and feel I could never get emotionally/romantically involved with another woman at all. It's always been with men. On the other hand, in most cases I never feel I "give" myself entirely to a man and allow myself to fully surrender to my sexuality because there is a deep-rooted part of me that cannot trust and fears getting close emotionally. So I withhold something sexually (although they have a good time! lol). With my long-term boyfriends though I was fully able to be satisfied, maybe because I felt utterly comfortable with them.

I'm not into recreational sex. I can't just go with a random guy I find physically attractive and experience full satisfaction. This isn't to say I've not done it in the past, because I have, but the futility of such experiences have certainly put me off doing it in my later years.

posted June 16, 2015 10:56 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Jo B:
Ok...
So I'd consider myself heterosexual although I do find lesbian porn more of a turn on than hetero as a rule. Re porn, I'm not into watching aggressive sex between men and women. It just does nothing for me and generally creeps me out. I think with the lesbian porn it's because there is the lack of inhibition that comes from not worrying about pregnancy and focussing purely on pleasure (in most cases). I confess I also find porn between gay men fascinating. Sort of primal. There I've said it.

---

Oh, I know what you mean by gay and lesbian pornography being a turn on. (although they are both made for the male view, lesbian porn made for lesbians is significantly different, have you checked that out?) Although I found The L Word much more fascinating and overall more sexually attractive and arousing than let's say its male equivalent (forgot the name).

Good point about the pregnancy, never thought about it that way... I also think that when women have sex with women it's more relaxed because of the absence of the "male view", certain unreasonable expectations, we know our physiognomy better etc. In a way, it's more "natural" than supposedly only natural sex between a man and a woman. At least that's what I think.

I'm with you on aggressive porn... I think only women who do enjoy it are the ones with masochist sexual desires.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Jo B:
However I've never had a sexual encounter with a woman and feel I could never get emotionally/romantically involved with another woman at all. It's always been with men. On the other hand, in most cases I never feel I "give" myself entirely to a man and allow myself to fully surrender to my sexuality because there is a deep-rooted part of me that cannot trust and fears getting close emotionally. So I withhold something sexually (although they have a good time! lol). With my long-term boyfriends though I was fully able to be satisfied, maybe because I felt utterly comfortable with them.

---

posted June 16, 2015 11:03 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by PixieJane:
Just throwing out an observation of mine on what females are attracted to.
In Japan the ideal male form seems to be a guy who is thin, though also well toned and graceful (the type of body most anime guys have). I believe this is because of their ancient history which was shaped by combat arts that emphasized grace and dexterity over raw strength (strength was useful but it only takes a pound of pressure to slit an artery or, if you're skilled enough, to stab through the heart even if your opponent wore armor). As a result such samurai and others of that nature came to dominate their society (they also had a lot of appreciation for beauty and flowers that would often be seen as "gay" or "hippie" for men in the West which you can still see influencing their fashion to this day) and thus succeed...and that is perhaps why they remain the ideal masculine beauty of today to contrast with the beefcake ideal of the West where strength was more important than grace and skill.

(Btw, fun fact, as strength took prominence in the west our ancestors used more armor and this is what led to the use of war hammers, maces, and the like, and also the very odd tactic of grabbing a sword by the blade--using a gauntlet of course--and bashing their opponent with the hilt as given the armor it was more effective for the one swinging and less damaging to the sword, but more importantly it was because they relied on strength rather than skill far more than the Japanese, though the Europeans did come up with tactics to get through grooves in armor as well, but not with anywhere as much grace so that the big, beefy, and strong men tended to be the ones at the top and both men and women in those societies came to idealize such as male beauty).

As for myself, well I can hardly speak for womankind given that I prefer women to men anyway, but I'm going somewhere with this. I was raised on books and movies in which the guys who prevailed were more clever or at least graceful in mostly fantasy (not the kind filled with muscular barbarians like Conan, at least not most of the time, it was usually bumbling wizards and clever rogues who were both the male love interest and hero of the story as they overcame great warriors and even epic forces) and scifi in which the role of women was different than in most other genres as were the men who tended to become romantic interests which often emphasized intelligence over brawn and in the books usually didn't bother to describe them much (you'll see plenty like that in Star Trek, Captain Kirk somewhat excepted).

And then at age 14 (even as I continued to read my preferred genres) I "pretend dated" a boy (whom I first met in the fantasy section of the school library) he was lanky and skinny and somewhat picked on for being so puny (though when I faked dated him he suddenly became a lot more popular in school), though he was dextrous and more graceful than most. Perhaps what sealed the image of "the guy I'd like if I were into guys" (and it showed in the 2 men I'd actually date seriously at 17 and 19, and I think if I were straight those would be the type of guys I'd go for) was my falling in love with the movie The Little Girl Who Lived Down the Lane and the love affair the heroine has with Mario (small and even had to use a cane to walk, but absolutely brilliant and charming).

I've known straight women who go for guys like that or for others who vary wildly from the standard attractions. There are some interesting theories others have on why that is which I think hold some water but one thing I've noticed among many of them is that they were typically raised on the same media (meant to include books) that I was, or alternately were very academic in their interests, rather than seeking pleasure in the endless romance genres (and related) in which the big (and often beefy) brave guy rescues the damsel in distress as well as being very protective of her which is how he shows he loves her. Though I don't know much of an effect it has I'm convinced there is some effect on learning what to be attracted to in youth which includes the media engaging the mind (not that it operates in a vacuum), though perhaps we enjoy the media that we do because we're already hardwired in some way we don't realize at birth, though contrasting the ideal masculine beauty between Japan and the West I'm inclined to think attraction is formed in childhood rather than we're born with it.

---

Quoting your post from the other thread, Pixie Jane, I think it's brilliant

posted June 16, 2015 11:11 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by PixieJane:
And I'd thought I'd throw out that I'm also typically bored with porn unless there is something else it has going for it...and it's extremely rare for it to excite me even slightly. But if it does it's almost certainly done by women for women, and that includes heterosexual porn/erotica over lesbian porn made by men for men. And scenes that aren't porn like at all can, if done right, have more success in "being hot" than any porn/erotica made by men or women, the key being in the eyes, facial expressions, and situation (can't describe the nuances of it now).

The Japanese seem to know the difference which is why they have different genres when it comes to male on male porn/erotica, such as yaoi that focuses on gay relationships between men aimed at women (though when I first read some yaoi I was confused because I thought one of the guys was a girl given how feminine he was in both appearance and demeanor, it was essentially just a racy romance novel for women with the "heroine" been made--only in the technical sense--into a guy), and bara which is male on male aimed at male audiences. When I checked it out there was a difference in tone that I don't find surprising.

---

Can you recommend any female porn directors? I mean, I could do the research, but I prefer to get the advice firsthand

posted June 16, 2015 07:45 PM              

quote:

---

Originally posted by Belba:
Well, then you need emotional connection to be sexually satisfied, which is completely legitimate Have you ever dreamt women in a sexual or romantic context though? (not implying that means something, just curios, since I had yesterday for the first time in my life had a very explicit dream of making love to a woman )

---

I haven't Belba. Well, I did once dream I had a sexual encounter with my best friend/neighbor from when I was growing up (bear in mind I hadn't seen them since late adolescence) which was a bit unexpected. She was literally 2 days younger than me so maybe the fact we were like two peas in a pod for years at school made it feel comfortable.

I think some girls go through that crush thing on a best friend when they're young which can border on the intimate. Consciously I never did but I think sexuality and preferences when you're young can be a fluid thing.

When I was in my senior high school (aged 17/18) there were a small group of lesbians in my year. I know two of them were 100 percent into women and remained that way since, but one I think was actually hetero who got drawn into their little circle and was obviously questioning her sexuality, and possibly going through a phase.

Some women discover their lesbian side later in life though.

I think people who switch sexual preferences are very brave and honest with themselves.

posted June 16, 2015 08:30 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Belba:
Oh, I know what you mean by gay and lesbian pornography being a turn on. (although they are both made for the male view, lesbian porn made for lesbians is significantly different, have you checked that out?) Although I found The L Word much more fascinating and overall more sexually attractive and arousing than let's say its male equivalent (forgot the name).

Good point about the pregnancy, never thought about it that way... I also think that when women have sex with women it's more relaxed because of the absence of the "male view", certain unreasonable expectations, we know our physiognomy better etc. In a way, it's more "natural" than supposedly only natural sex between a man and a woman. At least that's what I think.

I'm with you on aggressive porn... I think only women who do enjoy it are the ones with masochist sexual desires.

---

posted June 16, 2015 09:38 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I'm a straight guy, boring right? Well I think there are some things that set me apart from the average straight guy. For starters... Most young straight guys can have sex with any woman regardless of her looks or personality if they are horny enough. Me? I can't do it... Things don't work if you know what I mean. How do I know? I have tried having sex with a woman I wasn't attracted to and couldn't even get an erection. When I tell other guys that they are mystified and tell me that they could literally have sex with any woman they weren't attracted to and find it enjoyable. They are even more mystified when I tell them that I can't even get pleasure out of a BJ if I'm not into her. Guys look at me like I'm from outer space when I tell them things like that. They just don't get it... My good looking friend that regularly sleeps with attractive girls even told me he'll occasionally sleep with an obese girl because they have big boobs and he is a boob man. Lots of guys are really that simple! They see a woman that has big boobs or a big butt and they go "boing" and that's all they need to want to have sex with her. I'm not like that... I am not able to get sexually aroused over boobs or butts or anything else on its own. I am attracted to the whole package, looks and personality. I'm not one of these guys that gets horny and wants to bang any chick with **** or a thick azz! In all honesty I wish I was one of those dudes tho. Life would be a lot more simple if I had zero standards like most guys seem to have.

---

posted June 17, 2015 02:43 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Belba:
Can you recommend any female porn directors? I mean, I could do the research, but I prefer to get the advice firsthand

Yaoi and bara are yet another delicacies of Japanese culture (which I am fascinated by already!), I need to check out thanks for the precious info

---

It's been so many years since I looked at any I couldn't say offhand. I do know that On Our Backs was one that I was thinking of, but it was a magazine and it also stopped being published.

Oh yes, I see that the wiki link there mentions Fatale Video. I was also thinking of those, but it's been over a decade since I saw anything by them and don't know what they're like today (and IIRC they explored many different types and I only saw a couple or so).

I can't recall the name of the movies I saw made by women for straight women, though I know one was a French movie. IIRC Fatale Video did a few straight porn (aimed at women) vids as well but I don't recall if any I saw (which was very few) was by them or not.

Susie Bright directs and makes porn and though I don't think I've seen anything by her I expect she does a good job with it (I've read her political writings and also her "porn philosophy" and even exchanged a few emails with her).

If you don't mind a cheesy romcom (with a don't bet on it ending) then Better Than Chocolate might work for you (while I wouldn't call it porn/erotica it did have more explicit sex scenes, both lesbian and straight, than The L Word did...though comparing BtC to TLW, even in a strictly erotic manner, is comparing apples to oranges).

posted June 17, 2015 05:40 AM            

ANYTHING.

(motive : to destroy/ unravel Society)

SOON , in the FUTURE, what is today abhorrent
eg :

1)PEDIOPHILIA... will be accepted..and eventually become yet another "beautiful diverse" example of "sexuality".

(YES!- If you don't believe me, there are already certain "parties" even academics- who today are actively promoting it as simply a "lifestyle choice".)

This is how these things always start off

2)BESTIALITY...will ALSO be similarly accepted in the future.


MARK MY WORDS.

This is HOW EASILY People en mass can be trained.
(via gradual Social Programming..ie OUTSIDE info entering MINDS via deliberate DIVERSIONS/DISTRACTIONS Technology. (cell phones/Facebook/ computer Games & ALL THE REST OF IT!)

An AGENDA

* * *

Never ever happened in past centuries before, this ability to MASS programme human minds collectively.
* * *

Think of how "Popular Culture" ..eg watching"Kardashians" has taken over people's minds!

Likewise all the (what You think is real) FAKE news on TV/ PopMedia...
(-just "programming" of peoples minds to keep them distracted/unaware while THEY change your lives collectively behind the scenes)

* * * *
Society is DISINTEGRATING..to the extent where wanting to remain being heterosexual will be regarded a threat! (labelled "hate")

* * * *

..And WHAT OF NATURAL LAWS ?(LAWS of NATURE)
Heard of them?

ie Male+Female (YIN + YANG) = Offspring

Procreation of species..

REAL FAMILIES : MALE + FEMALE + their Offspring?

ALL BEING SUBVERTED , changed wrongly
by
FAKE imposed "Popular Culture"- destroying timeless values,
& thus Society..

Destroying the Natural Order..

- Transmitted to everybodys minds
via
Outside technological means (-ALL of them - YOU count the different ways).

* * * *
HOW MUCH has TV changed Society - for WORSE ??
Think of SEX & Violence
= MAIN THEMES (nearly all programming)
of
TODAY. (WHY????)

People mimic what they see...
and
YES. Society has definitely followed suite..destabilised & gone downhill these past decades. I've been around to witness it.
Since TV began.

SORRY TO SPOIL YOUR innocent/naive notions
of "all the beautiful/diverse..sexualities"

BUT

a much needed REALITY CHECK is needed here.

JUST THINK & CONSIDER:
Just because we are moving into the Future DOES NOT
automatically equate with things getting better!

posted June 17, 2015 06:43 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Swanlake:
Society is being deliberately PROGRAMMED (by the Elite) to accept

ANYTHING.

(motive : to destroy/ unravel Society)

SOON , in the FUTURE, what is today abhorrent
eg :

1)PEDIOPHILIA... will be accepted..and eventually become yet another "beautiful diverse" example of "sexuality".
(YES!- If you don't believe me, there are already certain "parties" even academics- who today are actively promoting it as simply a "lifestyle choice".)

This is how these things always start off

2)BESTIALITY...will ALSO be similarly accepted in the future.


MARK MY WORDS.

This is HOW EASILY People en mass can be trained.
(via gradual Social Programming..ie OUTSIDE info entering MINDS via deliberate DIVERSIONS/DISTRACTIONS Technology. (cell phones/Facebook/ computer Games & ALL THE REST OF IT!)

An AGENDA

Never ever happened in past centuries before, this ability to MASS programme human minds collectively.

Think of how "popular culture" ..eg watching"Kardashians" has taken over people's minds!
Likewise all the (what You think is real) FAKE news on TV/ PopMedia...(-just "programming" of peoples minds to keep them distracted/unaware while THEY change your lives collectively behind the scenes

Society is DISINTEGRATING..to the extent where wanting to remain being heterosexual will be regarded a threat. (labelled "hate")
..And WHAT OF NATURAL LAWS ?(LAWS of NATURE) Heard of them?
ie Male+Female (YIN + YANG) = Offspring

Procreation of species..
REAL FAMILIES : MALE + FEMALE + their Offspring?

ALL BEING SUBVERTED , changed wrongly
by
FAKE "Popular Culture" , destroying timeless values, & thus Society
Destroying the Natural Order..

- Transmitted to everybodys minds
via
Outside technological means (-ALL of them - YOU count the different ways).

HOW MUCH has TV changed Society - for WORSE ??
Think of SEX & Violence
= MAIN THEMES (nearly all programming)
of
TODAY.
People mimic what they see...
and
YES. Society has definitely followed suite..destabilised & gone downhill these past decades, & I've been around to witness it.
Since TV began.

SORRY TO SPOIL YOUR innocent/naive notions
of "all the beautiful/diverse..sexualities"
BUT
this is a much needed REALITY CHECK.

---

Excuse me, but who the **** are you YOU to define what a "real family" is? Who made you the authority on what familial love and authenticity is? Newflash: a lot of your so-called "real families" do and have done a $hit job raising kids... and I have no doubt you would be one of them.

posted June 17, 2015 07:11 AM            

The OP says (in case you missed it):

quote:

---

Let's make this thread as a kind of safe place to express your individual, one of a kind views on sex, gender, attraction, breaking tradition etc., how you identify, do you even identify, do you think you stand out from the crowd..

---

posted June 17, 2015 07:17 AM            

Families as they were once intended to be, by Nature (BEFORE artificial outside mass programming via technology took place) consisted of Male + Female +(although not necessarily) Progeny.

I think if you reflect on this basic Principle of Nature, that it is echoed in the natural world also (animal kingdom).
Indeed it is a LAW OF NATURE.

posted June 17, 2015 07:24 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Odette:
Swan - This thread aims to celebrate diverse sexualities.
This is in the thread title!

The OP says (in case you missed it):

If you would like to discuss - what you see as problems or threats coming from sexual diversity - please create a separate thread.

---

posted June 17, 2015 07:36 AM            

quote:

---

Shouldn't this topic also be able to be discussed safely- within a relevant wider context?

---

posted June 17, 2015 07:38 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Swanlake:
Ah ok Odette. But I also thought it to be a safe place for discussions. Without threat of being attacked.
Shouldn't this topic also be able to be discussed safely- within a relevant wider context?

---

Hey Swanlake. Although I am always a fan of discussions in any shape and form, I created this thread primarily for sharing individual stories, experience and secondarily to raise awareness of all different, unique sexualities, so that also all people who read it open their minds and hearts about the topic, stop judging and start accepting, embracing, appreciating the diversities people carry.

In that sense your post wasn't on topic, since you brought up, in your view, all that is wrong with this society, also our sexualities, you are judging and claiming something is wrong with us, because we are not natural. Besides, you didn't share your individual experience.

Please, as much as I am now refraining not to passionately argue with you, as what you brought up is not nothing new but are partly things most people would agree with to justify their enmity, prejudice, but I REALLY don't want this thread to turn into the kind you want it to. Please, create your own, and I am sure some of us will dispute with you there.

EDIT: Also I can see Odette has been so kind and reacted quickly, I hope you will so considerate to take our words into account.

posted June 17, 2015 07:44 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Odette:
Belba - Thank you for your kind words I've been meaning to reply to this, but I know it's going to be a lengthy reply - and I didn't have the peace and quiet to type it all.

---