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Topic: Calling any psychologists - I need help
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margym0o
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posted June 26, 2015 09:41 AM
  
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posted June 26, 2015 10:06 AM
Sounds exactly like someone I know (minus the alcohol). I'm not a psychologist, so can't really help. I have asked myself the same questions and tried to figure it all out too. It might be a mixture of personality disorders. I'm interested in what some others might have to say. Sadly, you can't force people to go to therapy, change or heal. This situation is a tough one. Best of luck to you, your friend and friend's mom!  IP: Logged |
GemBird82
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posted June 26, 2015 12:30 PM
~ Not a Freud's follower or a Jung's ( but I think I'm a fan of Myers & Briggs and also Robin Williams, may He rest in peace ) and just... wanted to say that I think... it doesn't really matter what "Heals" you, if it is Theosophy, Philosophy, Self-Knowledge or some 'professional' or 'expert' as long as the person is in peace with oneself, feels happy with oneself.Because just as Homeopathy postulates, our physical body doesn't seems to be the only one that needs to be Healed. Physical, emotional, and spiritual well-being work as a whole in us. for me, this is very true.  ~ I think there are some psychologists around. Hope They read this thread soon.
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Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2015 12:39 PM
Put in the asteroid Maniac.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2015 12:48 PM
She has an Unaspected Venus like I do but that is a good thing, although Pisces Venus in Pisces would be super sensitive.Look at the Alice Asteroid and Madhatter, if you want, too.
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margym0o
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posted June 26, 2015 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Put in the asteroid Maniac.
Which number is it? I couldn't find it on the list. I found the other two though. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2015 01:21 PM
I will give you my list------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2015 01:21 PM
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margym0o
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posted June 26, 2015 01:47 PM
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Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2015 01:55 PM
I don't have time to do more than a cursory look, which is too bad, but she does not seem to have anything that really sticks out. You did not put in Alice which is stability. Maybe, her Alice has a lot of stress like it is doing something with Uranus.If you want to try Kaali, that may show something. That is her body energy. ------------------
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margym0o
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posted June 26, 2015 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't have time to do more than a cursory look, which is too bad, but she does not seem to have anything that really sticks out. You did not put in Alice which is stability. Maybe, her Alice has a lot of stress like it is doing something with Uranus.If you want to try Kaali, that may show something. That is her body energy.
Sorry I guess I had too many conflicting so Alice didn't show. I updated the above post with Alice and Kaali.
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posted June 26, 2015 02:14 PM
I'm not sure how much dissecting her natal chart will help her or the situation, besides just giving you *some* insight into her personality. Since you seem to be focussed on that right now...a few things jumped out at me.1. Her anaretic degree moon in the 1st house. Anaretic degrees can be hard in any sign, planet or house, but does not spell doom for the person. There are positive sides to them as well. Without a healthy outlet and other harsh aspects in play, they can be difficult for the native to deal with. 2. Mars on Algol. Ouch. That must be a difficult one for her to deal with. I won't go into any more. You can read up on more about these two aspects/placements on the net, but I'm just giving a friendly reminder that not all can be seen or explained by the natal chart alone. From the sounds of it, she needs professional help and it doesn't sounds like that is going to happen anytime soon or maybe ever. Your friend might have to cut her out of her life for her own well being. It's a difficult thing to do, but sometimes the only way. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2015 02:31 PM
You know what?? She has Mania, which is what it says conj Kaali which is the most basic body energies.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2015 02:32 PM
Kaali conj the DSC could be giving her body energy away in relationships.The Kaali/Mania seems really hard to me.
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Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2015 02:36 PM
Pluto in the 12th is hard because one can be afraid to show one's passions, as if they are bad.The Moon is hard at the 29th degree. Emotions can feel frozen, as if one does not know whether to go forward or backwards, so one stays stuck. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2015 02:48 PM
To me, on a rather limited look, I think the problem is Kaali/ Mania.------------------
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Eirlys
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posted June 26, 2015 03:01 PM
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Never underestimate the power of alcohol(ism). Even in 'recovery' circles, the adherents will emphasize that alcohol is only a symptom.
Since it seems to play such a large role in this woman's issues,
it may not hurt to suggest that the family look into help, for themselves-- because everyone who lives with an alcoholic is affected.
I have friends that participate in groups like this-- some have or
had parents who are/were alcoholics, and others have children of their own who are so afflicted. When you become part of a group that has gone through, or is living with, the same issues... that is managing and recovering from them, you will also learn what they did/are doing to get there. From what I've heard, it's life-changing stuff. Will be happy to get the info/links, if you're interested.
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posted June 26, 2015 03:30 PM
I agree with what Erlys said.Was trying to remember the program family suggested to my Grandpa after several attempts at AA did no good. I was very young, but Rational Recovery rings a bell. AA didnt work for my father either. My other grandfather was an alcoholic too, but never sought any help. anyway, here's the link to Rational Recovery program.
http://rational.org/index.php?id=1 AA doesn't work for everyone. Luckily there are many other alternative programs out there for those who seek help.
If Not AA, Then What? Five 12-Step Group Alternatives
"…studies suggest that just 25 to 35 percent of those who attend one AA meeting go on to become active participants.
-ANNE FLETCHER"
http://www.rehabs.com/pro-talk-articles/if-not-aa-then-what-alternatives-to-12-step -groups/ It sounds like your friend's mom has many issues to address. And she's probably self medicating with alcohol, which is never a good thing. I'm not sure if someone should start with therapy or an alcohol program. I guess for each person, it would be different. In any case, it's clear that she's in crisis mode and has been for some time. I'd suggest steering her in the direction of more professional help instead of focussing on her stars at this point. Best of luck. IP: Logged |
margym0o
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posted June 26, 2015 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To me, on a rather limited look, I think the problem is Kaali/ Mania.
Thank you for all your insight Ami. Very poignant! I'm sure many/all of those things contribute. IP: Logged |
margym0o
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posted June 26, 2015 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Eirlys:
Never underestimate the power of alcohol(ism). Even in 'recovery' circles, the adherents will emphasize that alcohol is only a symptom.
Since it seems to play such a large role in this woman's issues,
it may not hurt to suggest that the family look into help, for themselves-- because everyone who lives with an alcoholic is affected.
I have friends that participate in groups like this-- some have or
had parents who are/were alcoholics, and others have children of their own who are so afflicted. When you become part of a group that has gone through, or is living with, the same issues... that is managing and recovering from them, you will also learn what they did/are doing to get there. From what I've heard, it's life-changing stuff. Will be happy to get the info/links, if you're interested.
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Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2015 03:43 PM
You are welcome, M. Kaali is your deepest bodily energy, the one on which acupuncture works. Hence, that which touches it, touches you on a very visceral level. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted June 26, 2015 03:51 PM
I could be totally wrong but I feel someone in her family is triggering that Kaali/Mania. Put up the charts with her close family members and let's see, if you want.------------------
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LeeLoo2014
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posted June 26, 2015 03:55 PM
I am sorry to hear your story, Margy  These are all classical symptoms of chronic alcohol abuse: subsequent bi-polar disorder, increased irritability and/or violence and depression, hyperactivity vs passivity, small amount of substance as chemical trigger, and the typical exo-blame: blaming the others/circumstances for the status quo. Alcoholism is, apart from the physical consequences, classified as a serious psychiatric condition. She probably needs an intervention, which should be supervised by a specialist. For other psychiatric conditions she might have, in association or as origin for what you describe, she needs to be consulted by a psychiatrist. But the presence of chronic substance abuse is obvious from what you describe.
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Eirlys
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posted June 26, 2015 04:26 PM
@margyI was suggesting help for the family-- not the woman in the OP. Some alcoholics can be reasoned with... many cannot. Others, like the woman in the OP, most likely, fall under the title 'dual diagnosis' (substance abuse and mental illness). Point being (and I got the info), it may be a valuable starting point for the family, since the others in the group have been through it, already. They may be able to share where or how they got help, locally.
Just an option, but it's a pretty good one.
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LeeLoo2014
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posted June 26, 2015 04:42 PM
I have to say though, that alcohol is not just a symptom. Alcoholism is classified as a mental illness, after a certain point of consumption (associated with cerebral and physical and behavioral deterioration), and anyone consuming alcohol for a certain amount of time behaves roughly the same. And anyone can become an alcoholic. You don't have to have a previous "mental illness" to become an alcoholic. Some personality profiles are more prone to substance abuse, but that's about it.IP: Logged |
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