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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63389 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 09, 2015 04:12 PM
Homosexuals Now Want The US Government To Fire Any Military Chaplain Who Opposes Homosexuality http://shoebat.com/2015/07/09/homosexuals-now-want-the-us-government-to-fire-any-military-chaplain-who-opposes-homosexuality/ ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 09, 2015 06:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Homosexuals Now Want The US Government To Fire Any Military Chaplain Who Opposes Homosexuality http://shoebat.com/2015/07/09/homosexuals-now-wan t-the-us-government-to-fire-any-military-chaplain-who-opposes-homosexuality/
I love how these articles make it sound like every one of them specifically signed something saying so. Although the above might make a nice change from people getting booted out of the military, because they were gay. That was happening, right? "Don't ask, don't tell."
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63389 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 09, 2015 06:32 PM
It is how the the persecution of Christians is beginning to fuel up.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 09, 2015 06:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: It is how the the persecution of Christians is beginning to fuel up.
Meaning, certain people are getting back what they gave. Sorry, Ami, but that's the way I see it. IP: Logged |
ikja Knowflake Posts: 1540 From: London, UK (GMT - 5 hours ahead) Registered: Oct 2014
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posted July 09, 2015 07:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: It is how the the persecution of Christians is beginning to fuel up.
In the last few weeks, I have been involved in my conversations about this and/or topics along these lines. I find it extremely disappointing that at times, Christians are almost forced to abandon what they believe and I find this disrespectful. I am definitely not homophobic and I believe that people should be allowed/entitled to love who they want; but it seems to me that in this day an age, to be religious is considered a bad thing and that's not right - at all. Some people choose theism and others atheism, I'm accepting of both. Maybe I am naive, but there should be an understanding of difference between both groups!!!!!!!! As long as the military Chaplin is not actively inciting hatred towards homosexuals and/or discriminating against homosexuals in his position, he should be allowed to continue in post. He doesn't necessarily have to agree with homosexuality (in private), but he needs to accept that homosexuality exists and he needs to exercise tolerance (in public). Perhaps I am being too idealistic about the solution, but i just feel there is a middle ground and even if there isn't, we must find one, as both groups have valid beliefs and values. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63389 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 09, 2015 07:23 PM
The Bible talks about homosexuality and so if a pastor quotes the Bible, that is talking about homosexuality in a way that homosexuality is not accepted as a lifestyle choice condoned by God. This is what Bible believers such as myself believe.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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ikja Knowflake Posts: 1540 From: London, UK (GMT - 5 hours ahead) Registered: Oct 2014
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posted July 09, 2015 07:32 PM
I understand that, but do they have to preach about homosexuality in their position though Ami? Can't this just be omitted for the sake of peace? That to me would be the middle ground (I think).IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63389 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 09, 2015 07:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by ikja: I understand that, but do they have to preach about homosexuality in their position though Ami? Can't this just be omitted for the sake of peace? That to me would be the middle ground (I think).
NO, no part of the Bible can be omitted, my Friend.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63389 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 09, 2015 07:51 PM
Here is the larger issue of this. If I cannot say what I believe, you may not care because you may think I am an ignorant Christian. However, if MY free speech is taken away, yours will be next. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3153 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 09, 2015 10:10 PM
It seems to me that any part of the bible one disagrees with can be omitted and it happens all the time. Preachers choose parts of it to discuss. Bigots choose parts to condemn. Others choose only the loving parts and ignore the uglyPerhaps "he who has not Sinned should cast the first stone".. and those who have faith should not be catastrophizing about what a few gay People have the Nerve to suggest. Who wants to be married by someone narrow minded and judgemental anyway? Meanwhile you, and gsy people, can continue to speak as you like, right? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63389 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 10, 2015 08:39 PM
Another exampleGay Man Files $70M Suit Against Bible Publishers Over ‘Homosexual’ Verses http://www.tpnn.com/2015/07/10/gay-man-files-70m-suit-against-bible-publishers-over-homosexual-verses/ ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 10, 2015 08:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by Catalina: It seems to me that any part of the bible one disagrees with can be omitted and it happens all the time. Preachers choose parts of it to discuss. Bigots choose parts to condemn. Others choose only the loving parts and ignore the uglyPerhaps "he who has not Sinned should cast the first stone".. and those who have faith should not be catastrophizing about what a few gay People have the Nerve to suggest. Who wants to be married by someone narrow minded and judgemental anyway? Meanwhile you, and gsy people, can continue to speak as you like, right?
That's a good point. I wouldn't want someone presiding over an important thing like that, who wasn't happy to be there, or happy for the couple involved. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63389 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 10, 2015 09:13 PM
TeaselThe point is not that gays are not married by people who don't believe they should. The point is that one group of people, Christians, are losing their freedom of expression and freedom speech. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 10, 2015 09:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: TeaselThe point is not that gays are not married by people who don't believe they should. The point is that one group of people, Christians, are losing their freedom of expression and freedom speech.
And my point was that people haven't been fully free to be who they are, until now. They've always been denied something, simply because they're attracted to someone of the same sex. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63389 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 10, 2015 10:29 PM
The POINT is that the FREE SPEECH/FREE EXPRESSION of some people is being slowly eroded. You may not care. That is not the point. The point is that if my free speech is eroded, yours will be next. Geez Louise. People are sooo blinded that it makes my head spin.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63389 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 10, 2015 11:15 PM
Oregon officials now going after the home of bakers who refused to bake for lesbian wedding http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/123678730798/oregon-officials-now-going-after-the-home-of ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 7072 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 11, 2015 12:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: The POINT is that the FREE SPEECH/FREE EXPRESSION of some people is being slowly eroded. You may not care. That is not the point. The point is that if my free speech is eroded, yours will be next. Geez Louise. People are sooo blinded that it makes my head spin.
I'm not putting you down, and I'm not blinded. Don't Ask, Don't Tell, squashed the speech of gay people, in a way. They couldn't talk about who they really were, without being punished. I'm respecting that you have your point of view, but you aren't respecting mine.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63389 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 11, 2015 09:14 AM
We are talking about Christians losing their businesses. We are talking about pastors not being able to preach from the Bible. If you don't think that is a free speech right that concerns YOU, then you are mistaken. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Voix_de_la_Mer Knowflake Posts: 1586 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 11, 2015 10:53 AM
Sorry Ami, but while you have a right to believe what you like, those beliefs do not bestow the right to interfere with another's life choices.I would reconsider the humanity and "truth" of my religion if it compelled me to discriminate against others. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer Knowflake Posts: 1586 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 11, 2015 10:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: The POINT is that the FREE SPEECH/FREE EXPRESSION of some people is being slowly eroded. You may not care. That is not the point. The point is that if my free speech is eroded, yours will be next. Geez Louise. People are sooo blinded that it makes my head spin.
There is nothing free about letting a semi-ancient book, of multiple versions (how do we even choose the "true" one??) dictate your choices for you Ami. The bible is a war AGAINST freedom. As is anything that dictates the choices one should make. People aren't stupid. Experience is the best teacher. The ruling that homosexuals should marry supports healthy diversity and respects choice. Those who follow a doctrine against this, are against healthy choice and freedom. You only have the right to choose for YOU. No one else.
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Voix_de_la_Mer Knowflake Posts: 1586 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 11, 2015 11:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: We are talking about Christians losing their businesses. We are talking about pastors not being able to preach from the Bible. If you don't think that is a free speech right that concerns YOU, then you are mistaken.
If a baker doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a homosexual couple, because the book told him, then he should deal with the consequences of discrimination. End of. IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3153 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 11, 2015 11:01 AM
Please explain how baking a cake betrays their beliefs? Do they also believe they should stone the couple? What part of the Bible says being gay is against Christianity? The article mentions a gag order but they are talking freely. Do you know what a lien consists of?
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Voix_de_la_Mer Knowflake Posts: 1586 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 11, 2015 11:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by Catalina: Please explain how baking a cake betrays their beliefs? Do they also believe they should stone the couple? What part of the Bible says being gay is against Christianity? The article mentions a gag order but they are talking freely. Do you know what a lien consists of?
Not sure who the questions are directed at? My example of the baker, was Ami's from the previous thread on this subject, and related to the belief that christians may lose their businesses. IP: Logged |
Soltze Knowflake Posts: 209 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted July 11, 2015 11:50 AM
My take on the issue is that the only place that homossexuality is explicitely censored is in the Romans letter by Saint Paul. I believe in Jesus not in St.Paul so...if there's no word of Jesus saying being gay is wrong...that means LGBT have all the right to love. I believe the moral standard should be committed love and devotion between two human beings indepedently of other considerations...IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3153 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 11, 2015 11:55 AM
I was asking Ami to clarify her position, Voix. IP: Logged |