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Topic: @Ami Anne
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LeeLoo2014
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From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 03:25 PM
  
Is this a place where people are supposed to encourage extremist views, such as racism, sexism, religious intolerance?Is the right to comment and combat those discouraged here? You closing this thread as a moderator, at this particular point: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/002350.html sends an alarming message to me, in this respect. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 55162
From: Saturn next to Charmaine
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posted July 22, 2015 03:32 PM
I actually would have closed it myself if it were still open. Once it turned to insults (on both sides), it was likely to spiral downward from there.IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 13778
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 03:39 PM
I agree. However other people and myself were personally insulted and cussed and the moderator chose not only not to comment on that, but to encourage it.It gives the impression some people can be insulted more than others. I'm sure no one wants this here and I have hopes it can be easily changed.
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the7thsphere
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posted July 22, 2015 03:40 PM
I was just about to thank Ami Anne for closing it, and disclose that I had been hoping for someone to do it for hours by that point.IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 13778
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by the7thsphere:
I was just about to thank Ami Anne for closing it, and disclose that I had been hoping for someone to do it for hours by that point.
No, you don't tell me to P1SS OFF, you talk like this to whoever raised you to do so. I tried to apologize for upsetting you if I did, and the nicer I became with you, the nastier you got. Which means it's time for you and your time with your mirror. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 55162
From: Saturn next to Charmaine
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2015 03:48 PM
Bad language is not allowed on anyone's part, but ganging up on others is also discouraged. I try to see both sides, as there are usually two sides to every conflict. If insults occur, it's best to not be reactive and let me handle it. Once both sides sling mud, the point then becomes moot. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
Moderator Posts: 1169
From: Miami for now....
Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 03:48 PM
I am glad it was closed and also felt it needed to be closed. Also a huge part of been tolerant is accepting that people have the right to have extremist views even if you completely disagree. I am big on freedom of speech but when communication leads to back and forth insults there is no communication and is better to close discussion. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 13778
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 04:10 PM
You embrace extremism, sexism and racism in your own life, Hypatia, if you wish. Let the rest of us learn from history and past mistakes and fight those tooth and nail.Thank you, Randall. I can see your point and I hope mine came across too. IP: Logged |
GemBird82
Knowflake Posts: 732
From: Female bird from France
Registered: Feb 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 04:12 PM
Aw, and when that thread had only 9 pages I was juuuuust about to say: "close this already..."  ... but I contained myself...  In the description of this section should say:
~ Come to Sweet Peas, where topics always get closed  ... hahahah ! ...  Yippie-ki-yay Motherf**ker! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 63549
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 22, 2015 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by the7thsphere:
I was just about to thank Ami Anne for closing it, and disclose that I had been hoping for someone to do it for hours by that point.
I know. I was thinking of myself and how grateful I have been when Randall has closed it when I was in the same situation. ------------------
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GemBird82
Knowflake Posts: 732
From: Female bird from France
Registered: Feb 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 04:19 PM
~ And if there's something about LL that is going to live forever in my heart... would be, of course, the funny threads Haha! Sooo amusing!  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 63549
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 22, 2015 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You embrace extremism, sexism and racism in your own life, Hypatia, if you wish. Let the rest of us learn from history and past mistakes and fight those tooth and nail.Thank you, Randall. I can see your point and I hope mine came across too.
First of all, what YOU call extremism,sexism and racism is not what *I* call it, or how *I* define it( or how others on here see it) so please try to see beyond your own world view to that of others. ------------------
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 55162
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2015 04:33 PM
It's not about embracing extremism. I certainly won't be attending any Klan rallies myself; however, they have the right to apply for permits and peacefully assemble in the United States like any other group. Unpopular speech must be protected, or else free speech is but an illusion.That being said, LL does have restrictions on speech. For example, free expression is encouraged, but racial slurs are not tolerated. We had a long-standing member here a few years ago who made derogatory racial comments against a group of people, and he was banned. But Sweet Peas is partly about gender differences, so these conflicts are to be expected from time to time, and they don't (and shouldn't) have to encompass sexism. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
Moderator Posts: 1169
From: Miami for now....
Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You embrace extremism, sexism and racism in your own life, Hypatia, if you wish. Let the rest of us learn from history and past mistakes and fight those tooth and nail.Thank you, Randall. I can see your point and I hope mine came across too.
I never said I embrace extremism, you are spinning my words but did it ever occur to you that some people view your views maybe as extremist? Not trying to provoke, just food for thought. I was making a point about tolerance and how tolerance is letting others have unpopular beliefs too.. Tolerance is not a card to be used only when it's convenient and fits your own agenda. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
Moderator Posts: 1169
From: Miami for now....
Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
First of all, what YOU call extremism,sexism and racism is not what *I* call it, or how *I* define it( or how others on here see it) so please try to see beyond your own world view to that of others.
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 55162
From: Saturn next to Charmaine
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2015 04:46 PM
Tolerance is key. It doesn't mean acceptance of the belief or of the behavior--but merely acceptance that we are all human beings trying to navigate this labyrinth called life...and are all deserving of respect despite those differences. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted July 22, 2015 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I never said I embrace extremism, you are spinning my words but did it ever occur to you that some people view your views maybe as extremist? Not trying to provoke, just food for thought.I was making a point about tolerance and how tolerance is letting others have unpopular beliefs too.. Tolerance is not a card to be used only when it's convenient and fits your own agenda.
Tolerance on one side only? That's what this sounds like to me. Thanks, Faith, for your comments in the other thread. And thanks, Ami, for encouraging insults towards me and others. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 13778
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Unpopular speech must be protected, or else free speech is but an illusion.
That's true, and I can't agree more with that. Good point. Actually, very important point  Something else is important to consider here though: is a sexist slur less grave than a racist slur? For example, someone writing countless analyses, posts, where they emphasize (or whatever they're doing) the "faults" of "black people" compared to the tribulations of the "white people" due to "black people" and referencing Ku Klux Klan websites/organizations. and someone writing countless posts about the faults of women, recently American women, and constantly referencing an unpopular sexist organization such as MGTOW. Referencing feminazis (vs. negroes). Is the second case less grave?
If you ask me, they are equally grave.
On a forum mostly populated by women. They are the heart and the blood of it. Or let's say you are the heart, they are the blood of it. I mean what could happen, if this happens, in the long run, for a long time? EDIT: I also think that gender differences talk is very important and it can genuinely be encouraged to take place outside the sexist zone; focused on getting together and understanding differences * if any (I'm not sure how realistic these differences are in the first place), rather than the other way around.
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LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 13778
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I never said I embrace extremism, you are spinning my words but did it ever occur to you that some people view your views maybe as extremist? Not trying to provoke, just food for thought.I was making a point about tolerance and how tolerance is letting others have unpopular beliefs too.. Tolerance is not a card to be used only when it's convenient and fits your own agenda.
Obviously, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Sexists and/or racists obviously won't. It doesn't mean I'm not supposed to react, it doesn't mean I don't have a point. IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 7131
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posted July 22, 2015 05:05 PM
Wow. I googled NAFALT, and found a lot of hate sites. IP: Logged |
Bluejay
Knowflake Posts: 420
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Registered: Jun 2013
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posted July 22, 2015 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
First of all, what YOU call extremism,sexism and racism is not what *I* call it, or how *I* define it( or how others on her see it) so please try to see beyond your own world view to that of others.
Ami, please take your own advice. You are stuck in your ways, and you have a hard time seeing other people's point of view. So does Aquaguy, whom you have deemed one of your favorites, so this means your Cancer Moon must remain loyal to him no matter what. You've clearly added the7thsphere to your favorites list too. My cold hearted, Libra Moon(burr ) doesn't like this, because it's just not fair. I like fairness and justice, not picking favorites, and rallying against anyone who dares disagree with them. This is your modus operandi, and everyone who visits this site can clearly see this pattern of behavior. Aquaguy is often very offensive towards women, this is nothing new. I don't agree with many of his views, but I do find him likable in general. I feel that many of the people that criticize his views are actually quite fond of him, which is why it's all the more personal when he makes blanket statements against women. He has a right to his opinions, but others have a right to be offended by them. Just because a number of people disagree does not make them bullies. That's what happens when a person chooses to make generalizations based on someone's sex, race, religion, etc. Those are the consequences for voicing such divisive opinions. You are guilty of criticizing certain religions, yet have a zero tolerance policy if anyone criticizes yours. Please try to be more open minded, especially since you are requesting that very thing from others. IP: Logged |
Bluejay
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posted July 22, 2015 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
Wow. I googled NAFALT, and found a lot of hate sites.
Yes, I saw that too, and that's an acronym I've never heard before. I had a feeling when that thread was started that the motive behind it was to ruffle feathers, and it did just that. Mission accomplished.
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 55162
From: Saturn next to Charmaine
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2015 05:19 PM
I personally find racism to be indefensible, deplorable, and unjustifiable in any context. I also feel that AG is entitled to relay his experiences with the opposite sex, however misguided people may feel he is. Blanket statements about a gender are the very definition of sexism; however, merely sharing his negative experiences, in my view, is not, in and of itself, sexism.IP: Logged |
GemBird82
Knowflake Posts: 732
From: Female bird from France
Registered: Feb 2014
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posted July 22, 2015 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
...merely sharing his negative experiences, in my view, is not, in and of itself, sexism.
Understandable!
But at least consider sending him a PM...
Telling that it's not very wise to share his over 9000 negative experiences with women in a public forum...  hahah!... looool  ( at least not 24/7 )
( Hmm... seems like discretion is the most underrated virtue... as a Gem I guess... I have to practice it as well... ) IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 55162
From: Saturn next to Charmaine
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2015 05:28 PM
It's a tough balancing act allowing the sharing of experiences through free expression and not crossing certain lines while walking that tightrope. Instead of taking his experiences so personally, why not try to help him to understand the behavior he encounters? When I read negative comments here about men, I don't take it personally. I don't even get angry when women say that all men are cheaters. I am not abusive. I have never cheated. And so blanket statements don't upset me. I know that many men are dogs, so to speak, but many are not. And I can sympathize with women who have experienced the former as opposed to the latter.IP: Logged |
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