posted August 02, 2015 09:13 PM            

Too many women in society are shamed, threatened, or laughed off when they claimed to have been sexually assaulted and/or raped. The celebrity world is 1000x times worse, as both young females and males are taken advantage of by those in power and will never receive justice due to the lengths money and status can sweep things under the rug.

These 35 women are real people, they are your mothers, sisters, cousins, neighbors, best friend, etc., as no one is exempt from becoming a victim of sexual assault and/or rape.

I remember a thread being made in December postulating that the women at the time were making their accusations up against Bill Cosby, and yet here we are months later and more women are bravely coming forward. If you deny or reject the cries of those who have been sexually assaulted and/or raped, you are a part of the problematic culture society has created where victim blaming is not only normalized but accepted whole-heartedly.

To me, this rightfully destroys Cosby's legacy, for character to me is the most important attribute. You can be a talented actor and comedian who amounted great success, but if you commit heinous crimes like this, you truly are the bottom of the barrel. These women suffered for years and when finally had the courage to come out, faced considerable and unnecessary scrutiny because Cosby was a 'family guy and would never to do this.'

posted August 02, 2015 10:41 PM            

I feel like there was a turning point when more court documents were released where he admitted to things and THEN everyone knew for sure he did it.

Before that, hundreds of women could have made this claim, and people would say that they just came out of the woodwork for the fame.

Well there are difficulties making judgments from a distance, but there was enough circumstantial evidence to show they were probably telling the truth...

I mean, Cosby used to JOKE about drugging and raping women. Pretty sick.

Nuts to his wife, she is just as bad as all these other women who commit crimes with or for their men. Where are her morals?

posted August 02, 2015 11:02 PM            

Usually, you can feel people out but we did not know him, personally, obviously.

There was a girl my son knew. She turned out to be a sociopath. I never, ever, ever felt that from her.

They can really fool you.

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posted August 02, 2015 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Gave me chills.

I feel like there was a turning point when more court documents were released where he admitted to things and THEN everyone knew for sure he did it.

Before that, hundreds of women could have made this claim, and people would say that they just came out of the woodwork for the fame.

Well there are difficulties making judgments from a distance, but there was enough circumstantial evidence to show they were probably telling the truth...

I mean, Cosby used to JOKE about drugging and raping women. Pretty sick.

Nuts to his wife, she is just as bad as all these other women who commit crimes with or for their men. Where are her morals?

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Good commentary, and the fame seeking is certainly part of the victim blaming culture we live in. It is easy to scream 'attention seeker' than it is to introspectively think about the situation and put yourself in the victim's shoes.

The Cosby thing was well known in the comedian world, so a lot of people were not buying his familial innocent act. It also begs the question why no comedian came forward, probably due to fear of losing their career.

posted August 11, 2015 03:32 AM            

If you are a TV /Mass Media gazer/reader..

Then your opinions/judgements.. have been shaped and are NOT your OWN.

posted August 11, 2015 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Swanlake:
There is FAR MORE to this !!!!

If you are a TV /Mass Media gazer/reader..

Then your opinions/judgements.. have been shaped and are NOT your OWN.

There is far more to this than you realise.

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Yes! This is what I try to tell people but it is hopeless

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posted August 11, 2015 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Swanlake:
There is FAR MORE to this !!!!

If you are a TV /Mass Media gazer/reader..

Then your opinions/judgements.. have been shaped and are NOT your OWN.

There is far more to this than you realise.

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Please keep your ignorance out of my thread, thank you. There is substantial evidence over decades that Cosby performed drugging and sexual assault, including rape, on countless women.

The industry keeps this stuff under raps, and many comedians have come forward to describe how they felt suspicious of Cosby for years. A man in power can easily get away with this sort of behavior in Hollywood.

Educate yourself before making such ridiculous comments, this only proves my point further. Why not show some empathy for your fellow human beings instead, otherwise take it to the Spider Line- that is where conspiracy theories belong.

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posted August 11, 2015 03:16 PM            

I have neither convicted nor cleared him in my mind but I see a lot of people doing both. As skewed as our justice system may be it was created to prevent conviction by circumstantial evidence..and gossip. Which is all any of us have heard, or has someone got actual verifiable fact that he had sex with unwilling partners? He said/she said is all i've seen. Giving someone quaaludes...and several of the women admitted foreknowledge. .is illegal but not rape.

He is a successful black man with conservative views of self Responsibility. .ie an easy target. Many women do suffer from bias and condemn-the-victim attitudes....
and many do use this path as a means to gain attention and/or money.

posted August 11, 2015 10:04 PM            

- I find it difficult to comment objectively on the topic (though I'm fairly certain what my opinion would be regardless).

posted August 11, 2015 10:32 PM            

God that is beyond awful.

@Swanlake & Ami: Trolling this topic is really insensitive. This is no place to be acting like you are smarter and more important than other people. Get a grip.

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Actually tho i see evidence that he bought quaaludes for women with sex in mind, he has admitted nothing more.

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Yes he has admitted more.
http://www.people.com/article/bill-cosby-deposition-andrea-constand-quaaludes

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Where is the "evidence" of rape/ lack of consent?

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What evidence would satisfy you?

Honest question.

posted August 11, 2015 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
@MoonWitch

God that is beyond awful.

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It could have been but I had a good friend with me! My girlfriend and I went to a club to see a band she liked play. Afterward, we were talking with the singer. I had *one* drink that he brought me and I just lost it. Couldn't walk, couldn't lift my head but I could hear and understand everything that was going on around me.

posted August 12, 2015 12:17 AM            

But that's so odd. Singers and famous people can usually get "volunteers."

posted August 12, 2015 02:46 AM            

He is either in complete denial, or has seriously distorted morals.

I think the reason some people in the general public continue to side with him, and find the stories "unbelievable" - is because he appears harmless and innocent - and in my opinion, he appears this way precisely because he has convinced himself that he has done nothing wrong.

I'm curious what Neptune aspects he has going on.. because I believe he didn't only lie to all of us... but he actually *lied* (and is continuing to lie) to *himself*.

It's much easier to read a person who is aware of their toxic/illegal behaviour and feels guilt - than a person who is completely clueless (or in denial) and believes what they did was "fine".

Maybe Cosby's perspective on this is that - sex without consent - is not actually "rape" and not a big deal, when the victim is under the influence of drugs (and unconscious, or close to being unconscious)... since "what she doesn't know, can't harm her".

posted August 12, 2015 02:47 AM            

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So glad you were rescued...

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posted August 12, 2015 05:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
You know guys... when I see him in photos or interviews.. he seems to me like he still (even to this day) has zero understanding of how wrong his behaviour was.

He is either in complete denial, or has seriously distorted morals.

I think the reason some people in the general public continue to side with him, and find the stories "unbelievable" - is because he appears harmless and innocent - and in my opinion, he appears this way precisely because he has convinced himself that he has done nothing wrong.

I'm curious what Neptune aspects he has going on.. because I believe he didn't only lie to all of us... but he actually *lied* (and is continuing to lie) to *himself*.

It's much easier to read a person who is aware of their toxic/illegal behaviour and feels guilt - than a person who is completely clueless (or in denial) and believes what they did was "fine".

Maybe Cosby's perspective on this is that - sex without consent - is not actually "rape" and not a big deal, when the victim is under the influence of drugs (and unconscious, or close to being unconscious)... since "what she doesn't know, can't harm her".

^^ As chilling as that sounds, I'm not sure how else to explain his apparent lack of guilt, lack of remorse and general blank facial expression... as though his reaction to all of this is a simple: "WTF?"

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sociopathic personality.

posted August 12, 2015 07:41 PM            

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He is either in complete denial, or has seriously distorted morals

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I'm with Mercuranian, sociopathic for sure. The other thing is that he had fame and money, which not only inflate the ego but makes you in some ways untouchable. This is huge issue for young kids in hollywood, too many are sexually taken advantage of.

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Great topic Bella. Sorry, i don't want to add anything right now.

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posted August 13, 2015 01:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Maybe Cosby's perspective on this is that - sex without consent - is not actually "rape" and not a big deal, when the victim is under the influence of drugs (and unconscious, or close to being unconscious)... since "what she doesn't know, can't harm her".

^^ As chilling as that sounds, I'm not sure how else to explain his apparent lack of guilt, lack of remorse and general blank facial expression... as though his reaction to all of this is a simple: "WTF?"

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This is possible. Many years ago I was on a board that liked to use critical thinking in exploring a multitude of social issues (I got invited by a friend who wanted me to weigh in on something specifically) and there was one guy who appeared to be genuinely clueless as he said it was only rape if she said no. Therefore if she was passed out then it could not be rape as she didn't say no. Even some of the more misogynistic members tore that reasoning up (since the key is about consent which can't be given while unconscious) but he stood by it.

Though the entire thing just defies my understanding. Even if you don't give a damn about a woman as a person I'd think it would be simplest to get sex toys for men (or even just a hand) as it would seem to be about the same payoff without the hassle of transport or danger of legal or vigilante action (or her dying because she was already on some different meds or drank too much which turned the date rape drug into a deadly toxin and suddenly you have a dead body to dispose of, and probably with your genetic material in her to be identified in a crime lab). What's the point of raping an unconscious woman that it would be worth the risk? Even if it were about sadism, power, expressing a contempt and hatred for women, I'd think he'd need her to be conscious for that (a drug could be used to knock her out but wait for her to wake up but that doesn't seem to be how it usually works, I don't even recall reading about any who woke up to be taunted about what happened after the fact).

posted August 13, 2015 01:37 AM            

And yet people take offense. Of course when someone does get mad or otherwise try to guilt me into not showing basic common sense then I get suspicious, and rightly so.