posted August 20, 2015 10:22 AM            

How do you see porn? and its impact on relationships (or not)?

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posted August 20, 2015 10:24 AM            

This is a dig, just for clarification lol

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posted August 20, 2015 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]beyond his sexist views.

This is a dig, just for clarification lol

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It's true, it's calling it as it is; he does have them, no way to hide it...unless it disappears.

But still, the way I see it, it's an invitation from my part

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posted August 20, 2015 10:40 AM            

I hope this one doesn't end up closed again before I get the chance to come up with my response.. Haha

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posted August 20, 2015 10:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YOU think he is sexist and *I* think he is not, so there is no OBJECTIVE truth in the sky saying YOUR POV is accurate. It is your point of view, not an objective reality. Just sayin

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You're right, you can have your own opinion about what a sexist means. Me and the majority of people usually writing and reading here think he is. Majority is at least an important factor to take into account I won't say that it rules.

And it is my thread. Please don't derail it now. Thank you

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posted August 20, 2015 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Ah! Thanks for opening up a continuation.. I was never able to express the rest of my thoughts in the last one.. And well, I don't really want to go into depth right this moment, as I need to go to sleep..

I hope this one doesn't end up closed again before I get the chance to come up with my response.. Haha

So yeah.. Thanks for opening another thread pertaining to this.. And thanks, Ami (and any other moderators), for allowing the furthering of this discussion.

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Thank you I can't wait! Have a great rest! and sweet dreams!

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posted August 20, 2015 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You're right, you can have your own opinion about what a sexist means. Me and the majority of people usually writing and reading here think he is. Majority is at least an important factor to take into account I won't say that it rules.

And it is my thread. Please don't derail it now. Thank you

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All who agree say, "aye!" LOL

posted August 20, 2015 11:44 AM            

One must be driven by core values that NEVER change, no matter what the majority does or does not do imo

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posted August 20, 2015 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Majority doe NOT rule. Look at Nazi Germany!

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Yes that's the same thing Because we're going to execute AG.
That was people being misled by an individual, not the majority of individual opinions.

posted August 20, 2015 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YOU think he is sexist and *I* think he is not, so there is no OBJECTIVE truth in the sky saying YOUR POV is accurate. It is your point of view, not an objective reality. Just sayin

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What is the difference between a subjective and objective opinion? The existence of a consensus or clear majority opinion.

And we have that.

Most of the people here have said he is sexist.

posted August 20, 2015 12:28 PM            

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posted August 20, 2015 12:32 PM            

In my opinion (which I do no expect others to share) locking the other thread was somewhat of a violent act.

It ignored the sensitivity of the posts and blocked people from being able to remove content later.

It ignored the legitimacy of all parties as they sorted out their differences.

It was a statement of lack of faith.

posted August 20, 2015 12:53 PM            

I do have issues with violent porn altogether. (I understand not all gagging is done violently, but I needed a segway.)

Violent porn feeds a sick desire that too often has resulted in an actual crime being committed. Same with child porn...that goes without saying.

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posted August 20, 2015 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
An OPINION is not a FACT. YOU think AG is sexist. That is YOUR opinion. I don't. That is mine.

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So what's your point?
Your opinion is then somehow more important?
That's what you're acting like.

"sex·ism
ˈsekˌsizəm/Submit
noun
prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex."

posted August 20, 2015 01:05 PM            

I also welcome the videos/films depicting certain techniques (such as Yoni massages for instance) IF they come from people seeking to experience and share these techniques for real, for educational purposes, rather than people getting violated for money.

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posted August 20, 2015 01:13 PM            

I would like to tell aquaguy:

When you talk about women, you usually speak of us as if we are a swarm of robots, programmed to seek out the alpha male, compete amongst ourselves to "win" the alpha male, sluttily and speedily get impregnated by said alpha male, get cheated on by alpha male and whine about it shrilly to anyone who will listen, before leaving the alpha male, sueing him for custody payments that he can't afford to pay, and then gloating in our evil way about his imprisonment when he can't pay (because we robot-women sought him out for his money but drained his bank account whilst pregnant with his baby and mindlessly/robotically ignored all his cheating until, by the time we picked up on it, he had already cheated with dozens of girls, following his biological prerogatives.)

Do you see that this is basically the storyline you keep presenting to us? Maybe not the whole thing at once, but bits and pieces that remind us, you do believe in this whole story.

Do you see that you are implicitly accusing women of having an extremely low IQ and EQ, when you believe this is a reality-pattern that is endlessly repeating without much variation?

So do you see that it is hypocritical for you to accuse Odette of IMPLYING you have a low IQ and EQ, on the basis of her assumption that you've picked up your beliefs from low-quality articles?

posted August 20, 2015 01:24 PM            

I think if someone is a voluntary porn actor, they are not likely to be violated.

I believe that prostitution ought to be legal and it's misogynistic to ban it.

There are women who are willing to use their bodies for sex with as much care for the physical aspect as they would have about lifting trays full of dinners as a waitress.

And there are men who, in my opinion, NEED prostitutes.

I remember reading about a semi-autistic man with normal urges who could never, ever get a date, so he hired prostitutes. He still lived with his mother who gave an interview about how he worked this out, in a serious, autism-awareness book. The mother was happy for her son that he was able to resolve this need and grateful there were prostitutes willing to do the work.

There can be a service aspect to sex. Sometimes even marital sex is a service, as when one person wants to go to sleep and the other has different ideas in mind.

I find it interesting that porn star Sasha Gray is a Pisces...

I believe there are probably many Pisces people in the porn industry...

Not necessarily because they are all sick and deluded...

But maybe because they genuinely do not have the same hang-ups about extending their body to strangers, under an umbrella of universal acceptance.

posted August 20, 2015 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I do feel the need to say the gagging part was the most disturbing.

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The way the threads get locked in this forum indicates a kind of sickness in the motives.

Ami, you have your good points, but you seem to derive a sadistic pleasure from accusing people of things they didn't do, and locking the thread on them, to prevent them from being able to defend themselves.

posted August 20, 2015 02:26 PM            

Well about the topic...if my partner sees porn I don't wanna know about it.
He can do it. I just don't want to know.

posted August 20, 2015 04:07 PM            

There are so many porn performers who have left the industry and spoke out about the abuse that they have faced. A lot of them said they were forced to do things they did not want to, ended up shooting scenes they did not agree to in the first place, or being abused during filming. Many more.

So many of them admitted to using drugs and alcohol to cope with the emotional trauma that the industry has caused them. So many of them stayed to just get by. See all of these things are already enough to not watch porn.

The other side, the audience is presented with wrong ideas about sex. Women are usually presented as things and objects that men get to toss around, abuse, and humiliate during sex. Children have access to porn easily, and they grow up watching these thinking this is how sex really is, this is how people are supposed to treat people and etc.

Any porn site you go on, there are ''hot young teen'' categories, what does that tell about porn consumers? There is so much more but meh. Its really draining. There is no mention of consent in any porn. Mainstream porn IS harmful to everyone.

posted August 20, 2015 05:16 PM            

Personally, porn makes me very uncomfortable for several reasons which I wont get into. He wanted to watch it with me, so that we could bond and do the same things in the porn. I was not adverse to creating a fantasy for him, but watching porn tends to turn me off completely. He was confused by this, but because we had a loving relationship at the time, he tried to understand my point of view and never asked me to watch it again.

I can see how people think that it boils down to 'Do I want him constantly fantasizing about random girls? Hell no!' and I would tend to agree with that sentiment. But in my experience, that idea is kind of taken out of context - it wasn't about him wanting other girls at all. It was about the ideas and the fantasy.

posted August 20, 2015 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by goddessinworld:
. There is no mention of consent in any porn.

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Actually, in a lot of hardcore porn, there is an entire beginning section where the participants are interviewed and discuss their consent with every single thing that follows throughout the porn.