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posted November 07, 2015 08:56 AM            

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This is what my mind does, probes darkness.

This is strictly hypothetical as I've never been in this situation but as I'm ever interested in the psyche of humans, I can't stop myself from exploring it.

Anyway,

You own a company and have an employee that is working for you because you are doing said employee's mother a favour. Employee is your sisters son.

Employee is a COMPLETE f-up to the point he is starting to become a serious liability through multiple mistakes but you remain loyal to your sister and don't fire him despite telling him to get his act together.

Neither do you want to bother your sister because she is old and ill.

As time goes on you become more harsh with your words because he still doesn't get his act together. Mistakes upon mistakes are made, daily. Customers are complaining.

You send him home early on a frequent basis because you can no longer barely tolerate him.

Words have also reached you that he has been like this on other jobs where he has blatantly shown disrespect to people around him by yelling and trying to micromanage everything with 2 legs.

One day you have enough, talk to rest of owners of company and you all come to the conclusion that he can no longer work there so you let him go with immediate effect.

One week later he commits suicide.

How would you take a stand to this? Would you feel at all guilty for not having given him more chances to clean up?

Again, this is a MADE UP scenario and I, obviously, have a sick mind.

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posted November 07, 2015 11:26 AM            

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On one hand. It would really bother me and I'm sure that I'd have some back and forth.
Some struggles with it and etc. I'd have a lot of reflection.

Eventually I would get past it because my bottom line is this.
Business is business. You don't make success by getting steamrolled and that includes family. My father was a business man and he always refused to do business with family. He did business for family. That's another topic I guess.

Anyway, while I've been suicidal and depressed and I'm EXTREMELY empathetic to that particular thing. I'm always willing to help no matter what. However, having been in those last seconds when it all comes down to doing it or not. It's tough to explain I guess but I can't have guilt for someone else's choice to take their life. In those moments, they're alone and making that decision all by themselves. If I didn't know about how they were feeling or I've offered nothing but the best of my help (and to get them help) then logic tells me that I can't feel guilty about it even if I failed. There's things with that person that are already wrong beyond external circumstances and relationships. Something wrong that is totally internal.

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posted November 07, 2015 03:46 PM            

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posted November 07, 2015 11:27 PM            

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Nah, after that many chances, he'd have done it if he were going to. And I'm sure there are other factors involved. Still, being around my sister then could prove to be very awkward.

But one thing that wouldn't happen is that I'd cut my sister out of loop simply because I don't want to bother her, even if she is old and ill. If nothing else, I'd want insights on how to handle him, what I could get him to do instead, and the like. Even if, for the sake of argument, my hypothetical sister was so ill that I wouldn't bother her, then I would before I talked with the other owners, because getting him fired would sure "bother" her even more than talking to her about it. If I was pushed into moving that he be fired, then I'd be pushed into "bothering" her (since she's bothered even more by him being fired).

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posted November 09, 2015 12:46 PM            

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I would have gave him a ton of chances and explained each time what he was doing wrong so he could correct his mistakes. I mean I would pretend not to notice because I know I'm helping my nephew out but if it's becoming a hassle m, I would have to let him go.
After hes been fired and I still feel bad for my sister and her sons situation maybe I would give him a job at my house cleaning or something simple he could do just to help him out. Or maybe I would take a day off and drive him to places to help him get a job. But after that it's all him and I'm sorry his situation isn't great, that is beyond me and atleast I helped. He is in control of his own life

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posted November 09, 2015 12:48 PM            

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And if he committed suicide then ...there's nothing I can do. It's already done

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