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Xodian
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posted April 28, 2018 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey everyone; Been a while hasn't it .

Its with a heavy heart that I write this post given that I am emotionally exhausted right now. Last Monday's Van attack in Toronto has shaken the city but us Torontonians aren't that easily beaten. However, I have attended two unofficial vigils for the victims of the attack with another one coming up this Sunday and it does takes its toll on you.

By now, you probably have heard as to what the motive behind the attack was. We are still waiting for an official word from the Authorities, but leaked interrogation files and the suspect's facebook post point towards the fact that he was influenced by a group of ****** little narcissistic virgins who have chosen to call themselves "incels."

To tell you the truth, I didn't know much about the group until the attack on Monday so I decided to do a little bit of searching online. And what I found gravely disturbed me.

https://www.glamour.com/story/what-i...y-celibate-men

https://www.racked.com/2018/4/28/172...ad-stacy-becky

"Incels," or Involuntary Celibates believe that they are on the lowest tier of sexual option for women; Usually because they think themselves too ugly and/or don't have the social skills to get a date. However, they not only hate themselves but hate women for not choosing to sleep with them. In the minds of these incel losers, feminism and women given freedom to choose their sexual partners are the reason why women won't settle down with them. Hell, according to them, women biologically don't want freedom and are being brain-washed by feminists to reject perfectly good men like them (while the hot body "chads" have all the fun in life.)

But it doesn't ends there for these douchebags. A lot of them sympathize with Extreme Right ideologies; Blaming minorities and immigrants as part of the problem. According to some of these jackasses, more immigrants = more competition and since women get more options to choose from, they get left out. Elliot Rogers ranted a hell of a lot about it in his so called "manifesto" before going on a killing spree.

The truth of the matter is that its not their physical issues that is preventing them from getting laid. Their personalities match that of the typical mysoginistic "chad" but they just lack the physical appeal. A quote from the link of one of the articles that I posted:

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...incels are extreme narcissists who see themselves as superior in every way to other men, and that when they see men who they consider inferior to themselves (“Chads”) getting access to the “resource” (a.k.a. women) that they can’t attain themselves, they get angry. They feel wronged and cheated, and think that women are making a mistake by passing up their obviously superior offerings. “A lot of these incels come from the bad version of the ‘nice guy’ mentality,” Ethridge says, “where they feel like it’s transactional. They feel like they’ve given so much by being nice guys and gotten nothing in return. Even though that’s not how it works.”

So why am I making this thread? Well partially because I wanted to vent out a bit of my own frustration on the matter but the other more important issue is trying to shine a light on the behaviour of these extremist Incel moofs because I have seen the EXACT SAME behaviour from a few male members of this forum and frankly, its alarming.

So ladies and gentlemen, please have a good read and as always, your thoughts on the matter are appreciated.

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anonymidarkness
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posted April 28, 2018 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The things men do for women....

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Randall
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posted April 29, 2018 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome back.

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mirage29
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posted April 29, 2018 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xodian .. Wow.

I clicked on this topic because I didn't know what 'incel' was. When Toronto had its tragedy, I was involved in something of my own life personally, so, I hadn't stopped to dig in to what happened.

Wow... ... Sorry!!

Thank you VERY much for sharing this information. It's important.

Take Care!

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posted April 29, 2018 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xodian:
because I have seen the EXACT SAME behaviour from a few male members of this forum and frankly, its alarming.



Nice passive aggressive slight at me. How long have you been waiting to do that?
For your information, I have not made a thread to complain about my lack of dating success here in a long time. I have been living my life and trying to become a better man. Here are just a few changes I have made in my life:
Quit smoking
Went to college
Went on a diet
Improved my clothing style
Took dance classes
Started being more social and going out more
Learned a music instrument
Etc.

You showed up here just to take a jab at me. Nice try

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PixieJane
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posted April 29, 2018 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A lot of thoughts are racing through my mind right now, from the hate on the net (and it's not just the extreme right contributing to the toxic atmosphere of hate right now) to the concern of copycats, but at the same time remembering that the media LOVES to keep people scared and angry because that keeps people glued as well as sharing which generates more ad revenue (and as such is grossly irresponsible, and more manipulative than informative), something many subcultures, religions, and ethnic groups can commiserate over as a bad apple threatens to spark a witch hunt against all of them.
There are too many people on all sides more interested in building walls rather than bridges, about dividing up into identity tribes (both Left and Right) rather than seeing how we're all connected (and that includes in the karma we all share collectively).

I do know what it's like to feel fear over incidents like this. A man much like him went into a gym and blew away women he considered beautiful (which is why he chose a gym) and that was scary because I make regular use of a gym, and if someone did that I doubt there's anything I could do to save myself. I've even been threatened by a genuine right wing terrorist (this does not mean I see him as a "typical" right winger, mind you) which was troublesome, and had a handful of other disturbing encounters. I can go on, and I'm also close to a few others who can go on from their own perspective. Yet these sociopaths are very rare, and to live in fear is to let those who are evil achieve at least a partial victory. I try to be prepared for emergencies (including some homicidal jerks, and I am worried about copycats inspired the incel violence in Toronto that could hit around me as they could about anywhere in the world since they'd be getting their inspiration online rather than the local news) but I also try to keep it in perspective.

Maybe I'll go into essay mode later. But for now I just wanted to say I don't consider aquaguy91 any kind of loose cannon or threat. I'm glad that he is genuinely trying, but I haven't said anything before because I'm not as active and just don't know what to say as I don't the specifics of his situation. I know others haven't really said much of anything, so I just want him to know that I'm not going to associate him with the murderer in Toronto, even should he retain some bitterness about the other gender (as so many men and women both do).

That said, Torontonians have my sympathy.

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Xodian
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posted April 29, 2018 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya back everyone . Glad to see everyone's doing well. Got a few familiar faces errrr... Usernames in the group Lol! *Nods to Pixie, and Randall, and Mirage...

And yes... Even you Aquaguy. Speaking of which

quote:
Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Nice passive aggressive slight at me. How long have you been waiting to do that?
For your information, I have not made a thread to complain about my lack of dating success here in a long time. I have been living my life and trying to become a better man. Here are just a few changes I have made in my life:
Quit smoking
Went to college
Went on a diet
Improved my clothing style
Took dance classes
Started being more social and going out more
Learned a music instrument
Etc.

You showed up here just to take a jab at me. Nice try


Well I am not going to lie and say that yes, you were the biggest supporter of this douchebaggy group of slimeballs back in the days and a lot of what you wrote in defence of these numbnuts was pretty much verbatim of their delusional and toxic views.

But... As you have declared it yourself, you walked away from them and actually took control of your life rather than playing the part of the imaginary victim.

So congrats on not being a douche anymore . And I say this with the upmost manly respect.

Now be honest; Now that you made the required changes in your life, don't you find it way more fulfilling? And how goes your dating life? Getting more dates now I presume ?

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aquaguy91
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posted April 29, 2018 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xodian,
Would you believe that my dating life hasn't improved much at all despite me working on myself the past few years? I get more first dates. That's it. But yes, I am much happier now.

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aquaguy91
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posted April 30, 2018 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Xodian
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posted April 30, 2018 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well you have two significant positive outcomes from changing your life already .

1) You are getting wayyyy more first dates (which according to these incel moofs, doesn't makes you one of them since women are interested enough to go on dates with you.)

2) You feel fulfilled and happy with the positive changes you made in your life and other people will feel that.

Doesn't life feel much better when you focus on improving yourself first? Second and third dates will follow up soon enough. Believe it or not, its not too different for a LOT of guys out there; Even good looking ones.

If finding a significant other was THAT easy, you wouldn't have a whole industry built on playing matchmaker for singles out there .

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aquaguy91
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posted April 30, 2018 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xodian,
My older brother used to give me sh*t. He said the only reason women didn't like me is because I was negative/had a bad attitude. My brother has always been the good looking one. Girls and women have always liked him and wanted to date him or introduce him to their friends. He is older than me, but looks younger. He doesn't have a receding hairline or crappy teeth with gaps wide enough to drive cars through like I do. He also wasn't cursed with an autism spectrum disorder like me.

However, my brother had a revelation over the past 2 years. He went through a health crisis and gained a significant amount of weight. Suddenly, women werent hitting on him anymore. They werent making aggressive eye contact with him and making themselves available. No, they were treating him like they treat me (indifference and even contempt). But then he lost weight again and boom! Women were interested in him again. My brother learned from experience that looks matter a lot when it comes to attracting women. He admitted he was wrong and apologized for giving me grief when I told him my looks were hurting me in the dating game.

My brother's experience is pretty rare. Most guys dont get to see both sides of the fence like he did. Guys who are deemed unattractive by women truly live a different life. It is something you cant relate to until you've lived it.

I was at a friend's wedding recently and asked a woman to dance and a look of disgust came across her face and she turned her back on me and walked away. I am being serious. That really happened! You want to know the weird part? She was the one who approached me and started a conversation. Yet, I was somehow out of line for asking her to dance? She treated me like I was some kind of creep. Us unattractive men get treated that way all the time.

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juniperb
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posted April 30, 2018 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xodian, thanks for the insights on this group.
There is so much hate and discontent in this world it seems to be breeding more such groups.

The extreme right as well as the extreme left are a danger that breeds these off base hateful screwballs.
The media exasperates them and it creates a fearful society and a vicious cycle.
My heart goes out to the Torontonians .

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Xodian
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posted April 30, 2018 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquaguy:

Well I am sorry that you had to go through that. Unfortunately, men aren't the only one that have to deal with the issue of being unattractive. Hell, unattractive women get the brunt of the impact all the time. Incel for instance was a term coined up by a Canadian Woman who wasn't having any luck on the dating scene because of her social, mental and physical issues. So she started a support group for people who were suffering from the same issues and wanted to help them improve themselves. However, once she got the help she needed, she moved on, started dating a lot more and closed her support group.

Now the term has been hijacked by idiots who have created an echo-chamber of self-loathing and hate directed towards women. No self-help or healing there I am afraid.

So I sympathize with the fact that you got treated the way you did but I don't sympathize with any individual harbouring misdirected hate towards feminism or women in general.

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Xodian, thanks for the insights on this group.
There is so much hate and discontent in this world it seems to be breeding more such groups.

The extreme right as well as the extreme left are a danger that breeds these off base hateful screwballs.
The media exasperates them and it creates a fearful society and a vicious cycle.
My heart goes out to the Torontonians .


Hey Juniper . Been a while since I saw you around the forums. And thank you for your good thoughts.

Anyway, putting these numbnuts aside for a second, I wanted to post the pictures from tonight's Vigil for the Victims of the Van Attack. May their souls rest in peace.

https://i.imgur.com/RyYeD5m.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gTQSOcw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RCfYGAd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gVJCmBv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ggEeNQQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bo6gCLx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BXbCadd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qWzbvSk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/irDd2ac.jpg

P.S. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Governor General Julie Payette, and Mayor John Tory were literally sitting 5 feet or so below me but they kept turning their heads and I couldn't get a good Photo .

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posted April 30, 2018 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xodian:
Aquaguy:

Well I am sorry that you had to go through that. Unfortunately, men aren't the only one that have to deal with the issue of being unattractive. Hell, unattractive women get the brunt of the impact all the time. Incel for instance was a term coined up by a Canadian Woman who wasn't having any luck on the dating scene because of her social, mental and physical issues. So she started a support group for people who were suffering from the same issues and wanted to help them improve themselves. However, once she got the help she needed, she moved on, started dating a lot more and closed her support group.

Now the term has been hijacked by idiots who have created an echo-chamber of self-loathing and hate directed towards women. No self-help or healing there I am afraid.

So I sympathize with the fact that you got treated the way you did but I don't sympathize with any individual harbouring misdirected hate towards feminism or women in general.

Hey Juniper . Been a while since I saw you around the forums. And thank you for your good thoughts.

Anyway, putting these numbnuts aside for a second, I wanted to post the pictures from tonight's Vigil for the Victims of the Van Attack. May their souls rest in peace.

https://i.imgur.com/RyYeD5m.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gTQSOcw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RCfYGAd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gVJCmBv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ggEeNQQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bo6gCLx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BXbCadd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qWzbvSk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/irDd2ac.jpg

P.S. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Governor General Julie Payette, and Mayor John Tory were literally sitting 5 feet or so below me but they kept turning their heads and I couldn't get a good Photo .


Not that I support what they're doing/have done in any manner, but their hate for women is understandable. Imagine if someone constantly rejects you, would you not hate them ?

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posted April 30, 2018 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Not that I support what they're doing/have done in any manner, but their hate for women is understandable. Imagine if someone constantly rejects you, would you not hate them ?

Nope .

If anything, there was a time in my life where I thought that my stance of life would mean that I would probably go by my entire life by myself. It didn't happen that way and I got married but I digress.

Would I be irritated and a bit sad at the moment of the rejection? Possibly. That is a normal human response. But once that passes, I would focus on other things in my life.

My life isn't invested in the person who rejected me. What I do with my life is up to me and I will find fulfilment in that. Sure I might get pangs of what it would be like to be together with someone once in a while but it would be a passing feeling.

Very uncharacteristic of a Libra Lol!

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posted April 30, 2018 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Not that I support what they're doing/have done in any manner, but their hate for women is understandable. Imagine if someone constantly rejects you, would you not hate them ?

It's not just being rejected for dates and sex that hurts guys in that situation.
How do I even explain this... It's like women are constantly throwing "micro-aggressions" at guys they deem unattractive to remind them how low-status they are. That is the concept that comes closest to explaining it. Women low key bully unattractive men and rub it in.
I used to get treated with contempt by women all the time. It happens much less now than it did in the past. God, I dont miss those days.

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posted April 30, 2018 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xodian:
Nope .

If anything, there was a time in my life where I thought that my stance of life would mean that I would probably go by my entire life by myself. It didn't happen that way and I got married but I digress.

Would I be irritated and a bit sad at the moment of the rejection? Possibly. That is a normal human response. But once that passes, I would focus on other things in my life.

My life isn't invested in the person who rejected me. What I do with my life is up to me and I will find fulfilment in that. Sure I might get pangs of what it would be like to be together with someone once in a while but it would be a passing feeling.

Very uncharacteristic of a Libra Lol!


I am not talking about the rejection from a single person, I am talking about being rejected by most women one meets.

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posted April 30, 2018 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I am not talking about the rejection from a single person, I am talking about being rejected by most women one meets.

Even then.

My pride won't allow me to stoop so low as to give someone else the power to make me feel as though I need them to give my life meaning ; ESPECIALLY someone who I probably haven't even been intimate with. If I had been in a relationship with them for a great deal of time and invested quite a lot of myself in them then that is a different story.

But other than that, why feel hate towards something that you don't even know could have worked?

Maybe this sort of confidence comes with my own life experiences and I might look at it differently from someone who is suffering from a mental disorder but eh... You wanted my opinion on the matter? Here it is .

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posted April 30, 2018 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I am not talking about the rejection from a single person, I am talking about being rejected by most women one meets.

This. This is a concept people cant seem to grasp unless they have lived it. When I used to complain about being rejected by women, everyone would inevitably say, "everyone gets rejected." They are seeing rejection through the lens of their own experiences. The experience where positive experiences offset the sting of rejection. They cant fathom the emotional impact of constant rejection over a long period of time.
I had a guy tell me once that I was a baby and he had been rejected tons of times. However, he also told me that he had never gone more than 6 months without having sex with a woman during his adult life.
Yet, he was convinced our experiences were identical and I was just being dramatic.

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posted April 30, 2018 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xodian:
Even then.

My pride won't allow me to stoop so low as to give someone else the power to make me feel as though I need them to give my life meaning ; ESPECIALLY someone I probably haven't even been intimate with.



Would you have that attitude as a 25 or 30-year-old virgin?

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posted April 30, 2018 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Would you have that attitude as a 25 or 30-year-old virgin?[/B]


Don't know. I am not a 30 year old virgin .

But if sexual experience is what you crave then prostitution isn't illegal in the Western world ya know.

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posted April 30, 2018 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Xodian:
Don't know. I am not a 30 year old virgin .

But if sexual experience is what you crave then prostitution isn't illegal in the Western world ya know.



Where is it legal in the U.S outside of certain areas of Nevada? I cant think of anywhere else.

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posted April 30, 2018 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Where is it legal in the U.S outside of certain areas of Nevada? I cant think of anywhere else.

OK, you got me there. I should have said "with the exception of the U.S" .

God you guys down South are so Puritan when it comes to sex Lol!

Legal controlled prostitution shouldn't be an issue anywhere. If we agree as Feminists that women are allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies then using their bodies for business should be their choice as well.

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