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Topic: Abortions
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Harpyr
Moderator Posts: 1568
From: sleepy Rocky Mountain village
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted April 10, 2004 04:32 PM
 
Lots.An abortion is atleast as, if not more, traumatic to a womans body as giving birth. IP: Logged |
Eleanore
Knowflake Posts: 526
From: North Carolina
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted April 10, 2004 06:48 PM
I can't say if it hurts from personal experience. From friends' perspectives, however, they say it doesn't hurt during the procedure because they are anesthisized, either fully or partially. Afterwards, however, some say it can be pretty painful at moments. Sometimes even the next menstrual cycle is pretty painful, but the body tends to recover fairly well and fairly quickly, in general. They say (and I've seen) that the emotional/mental aspect/trauma is the truly painful part ... physical scars heal alot quicker than the others do.IP: Logged |
silverbells
Knowflake Posts: 1328
From: maryland
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted April 10, 2004 08:03 PM
Eleanore - I don't remember you saying anything that I was offended by.  I've read a "ficticious" account of an abortion in which the woman said that it felt like dry branches were being pulled from her body. That is the only time I have heard of it hurting because like Eleanore said there is anesthesia. Some abortions are given with general anesthesia (going to sleep) and some or most are given with local anesthesia (specifically: multiple injections to the cervix and perhaps the vaginal walls). Pain afterward, though is expected in all cases because the womb has to contract. IP: Logged |
virgo
Knowflake Posts: 116
From: neverland
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted April 15, 2004 12:46 AM
What I don't get is why some people are so uptight about abortion and try to make it ilegal. Why are people so concered about this subject and bash people who have got abortions? I mean you hear all these people talking bout how its murder and we shouldn't allow it. If these people are so concerned about someone's baby who hasnt been born yet....and so concerned about the baby and the mother than how come these people aren't doing anything about all the kids that are dying every day in third world countries. I mean your making a big deal when you hear mothers getting abortions and calling it murder...than how come your not saying or doing anything about the kids that are already born and are dying right in front of our eyes. And the sad thing about it is they are dying because of us. Nobody is really saying anything about that. All we do is feel sorry for them or donate a little money once in a while so we don't have to feel bad about ourselves.
I mean if we'r going to get this touchy and concerned about these unborn kids, we should also be concerned or even more about the kids in third world countries because its a bigger issue and also it is caused by us and our government and the way we are living.
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Harpyr
Moderator Posts: 1568
From: sleepy Rocky Mountain village
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted April 21, 2004 07:35 PM
i wonder the same thing myself, virgo.IP: Logged |
Isis
Knowflake Posts: 869
From: CA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted April 21, 2004 07:42 PM
Well, you have a conundrum, see, if you are murdered while pregnant, many states consider it two murders, which then means, what about abortions - isn't that legally murder then? I mean, is it only murder when you don't want the baby, but if you do, and they murder the two of you (or I've read cases where the husband causes his late term wife to miscarry, effectively killing the child) is murder.For the record, I'm pro-choice, but I also totally respect someone else's right to be pro-life, just so long as they don't picket abortion clinics terrorizing its clients, and/or murder the doctors who perform them. But from a legal standpoint it's a total slipperly slope. From a moral one, it's all about the individual's morality. And if an abortion hurts during the procedure, they're doing something wrong. Very wrong. But like any invasive medical procedure, it seems logical that you're going to have pain and discomfort afterwards. ------------------
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seeshells
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Registered: Jul 2003
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posted April 22, 2004 01:43 PM
Instead of this argument of yes it is not it isn't shouldn't we spend more energy on trying to prevent unwanted pregencies? Spend more time explaining to our youth, making contraceptives easier to get may help. Granted this doesn't work in each case, as each one is different. But in this day and age we should be able to prevent most unwanted pregancies. What can we do to make it a more positive world? Spend alot of energy arguning or spend that energy trying to fix what is broken? As one that has been there, there is no easy answer, and no set rule will cover all of this issues. Tink said ( I think in another arena) maybe we must experience both sides of an issue to understand it. We each have a different and seperate path to follow, maybe he is correct, some of us need to experience these difficult things to understand better. We as concerned caring people need to come up with better ways to prevent than try to undo. There is an old indian saying: "Don't judge another unless you have walked in his moccasins." None of us can know the reason behind a choice or the agony and grief that accompanies that kind of choice. May you never have to know. SueIP: Logged |
lalalinda
Knowflake Posts: 740
From: nevada
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted April 22, 2004 04:07 PM
This is so sad but I'll share anyway in hopes that it helps. When my oldest daughter was 15 she announced she was pregnant. Having a baby was out of the question. There was school to finish and my old man said unequivacably NO we were not raising any more children. So because she was so far along (like 15 weeks)It cost 900 dollars. Fine I paid it and she went in to have the ultrasound done first. They come out and the nurse informs me that they can't do it because they don't feel that, that was really what my daughter wanted. I argued saying that as an underage child she was MY responsibility. They didn't do it. A couple of months ago I found out that my daughter asked the nurse if she could keep the ultrasound picture of her baby, Thank God the Nurse took pity on her (and overlooked what would have been the BIGGEST mistake of my life) and put her foot down to me. (I can be a very scary Aries when riled) But she didn't budge. Devine intervention? Most definately. To this day I include that nurse in my prayers. P.S. his name is Daniel and the love I feel for him is unlike any other I feel. Hes here right now visiting and tearing up my house.
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pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 4132
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted April 23, 2004 09:37 AM
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Eleanore
Knowflake Posts: 526
From: North Carolina
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted April 26, 2004 07:01 AM
virgo
I've wondered the same thing before, considering that those children (and adults) are already alive and suffering. I don't mean to say that all anti-choice sentimentalists ignore these problems, but I'd like to know what they feel about this issue (pro-lifers, too). I suppose it has struck a chord with me when it comes to the fact that the current adminstration is stopping monetary aid for family-planning groups that promote or perform abortions abroad, which by nature includes countries where having unplanned children can really be devasting in many ways for the entire family and perhaps even the community as well, not to mention the children. I don't think the topic has come up here because the topic title is "Abortions" and I suppose we (I know I did at least) want to try to stick to that topic as much as possible. Though I would just as much like to discuss what you mention as well further. I don't know what others would think of discussing it here, but if it's a problem or something, maybe you can start a topic about it and link it to this thread and vice versa? Just a thought so that it doesn't appear anyone is trying to "hi-jack" a thread, which I don't think is your intention at all.
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Isis
I really think those kinds of laws helped to lead into the abortion bans that are on the horizon. I really don't think that if a pregnant woman is murdered it counts as a double-homicide or anything like that. But that's when a legal dilemma over whether or not the fetus has rights begins to creep into the legal system, which is why this whole "partial-birth" abortion ban is really frightening to me ... it is the first law (I believe though I may be wrong) that does grant rights to a fetus independently of the mother. 
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Eleanore
Knowflake Posts: 526
From: North Carolina
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted April 26, 2004 07:23 AM
In discussing abortions here so adamantly, was anyone aware of this?Thousands March for Abortion Rights ***
Harpyr
I am absolutely thrilled at the amount of support shown for this cause. I know you're an adamant activist and I wonder if you were there as well. 
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How about anyone else? Did you attend (either for or against)?
I wasn't able to attend, but I did find other ways to support the cause (in small ways) like writing letters, and signing petitions, etc.
I couldn't resist this part, though:
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Police arrested 16 people from the Christian Defense Coalition for demonstrating without a permit and another anti-abortion protester for throwing ink-filled plastic eggs at rally signs.
I'm glad that there was some (unabused as far as I can tell though if anyone else here has heard different please share!) police force available to deter more of this sort of thing, although other anti-choice folk did attend and counter-protest within the confines of the law without incident as far as I can tell. I was a little worried about this highly controversial issue (not the reason I didn't attend though) in regards to demonstrations in light of the attacks on women, clinics, and doctors in the past who were going about their lives and were within their legal limits as well, though I am glad that this event occurred without turning violent (aside from that lone ink-thrower as far as I know). ------------------
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Harpyr
Moderator Posts: 1568
From: sleepy Rocky Mountain village
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted April 26, 2004 12:31 PM
oh i wish i could have been there! apparently this is looking like the largest march ever on the capitol, by some reports as high as a million!
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Isis
Knowflake Posts: 869
From: CA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted April 26, 2004 03:30 PM
Eleanore, I understand where you're coming from. I personally support the banning of late term abortion because IMO at that point the fetus is for all intent and purposes a human (at the 3rd trimester the baby is fully formed and is just growing larger). But a fetus goes through many stages prior to that, and I am pro-choice up to that point. While it very well may be a (not so?) subtle way to begin the assault on abortion rights, I don't see abortion being outlawed unless the country in its entirety goes staunch religious conservative, and I highly doubt that - I may make derisive comments about liberals, but I truly believe both sides are necc to keep a balance. I believe the liberals "got our back" on that one  ------------------
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Eleanore
Knowflake Posts: 526
From: North Carolina
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted April 26, 2004 05:57 PM
Isis
I am thrilled to hear you speak of this balance, and I agree that there are a great number of folks making supreme efforts to keep most abortions legal.------------------
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