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Gia
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posted September 17, 2004 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
Women: Watch Out!
14-Sep-2004
Don't take birth control for granted—there are doctors and pharmacists who want to eliminate birth control pills.

Jill McGivering writes in bbc.com that in the U.S., an increasing number of doctors and pharmacists are refusing to give women the Pill, saying it's actually a type of abortion. While mainstream medicine doesn't define it that way, some pro-life professionals do.

Dr. Cynthia Jones-Nosacek, who is a family doctor in Milwaukee, is one of these. She says, "The contraceptive pill doesn't always prevent ovulation. As often as 30% of the time, ovulation may occur and if that happens, fertilization may occur. Then there are other mechanisms that can prevent that being from surviving. It's called a chemical abortion."

Texas mother of two Julee Lacey used the Pill for nine years before her pharmacist refused to refill her prescription. She says, "She [the pharmacist] began to tell me she personally does not believe in birth control. I was a little caught off-guard and shocked…I asked her again. She said, 'No, ma'am, I don't believe in birth control. I can't help you'…I really couldn't believe she had the right to withhold my medication from me."

This year 12 states introduced bills with clauses which would allow pharmacists to refuse to dispense certain drugs on moral grounds, without losing their jobs or licenses. Representative Curt Gielow says, "There was an incident where a pharmacist who worked in a retail drug store refused on conscience to fill a prescription and that individual was terminated from employment. That, I believe, set the stage for concern there might be employment discrimination opportunity here if in fact you listened to your conscience instead of doing what the boss told you to do."

Lisa Boyce of Planned Parenthood says, "They've done so much with outlawing and restricting access to abortion that they've set their sights on birth control because there's nothing else really they can do to further restrict abortion here in Wisconsin. Which is counter-intuitive because if you're against abortion in the least you'd think you would see the value in enhancing access birth control, the very means women look to preventing pregnancy and the need for abortion."

Women need to learn how to read the future, so it doesn’t catch us by surprise!


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Yin
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posted September 17, 2004 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
I HATE birth control pills. I stopped taking them a couple of years ago - my problems (which I was taking the pills for) did not disappear but were well influenced by some hormonal lotions and tinctures.

But to refuse prescribing them for moral reasons is simply crazy. What about people that need them as a medication like I did?

And don't even start me on abortions! Every woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her body. Period.

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paras
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posted September 17, 2004 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for paras     Edit/Delete Message
I hope no one minds a man sharing his opinion on the matter... we have a part in the reason that birth-control exists in the first place.

I generally disagree with taking synthetic medications, and things that disrupt the body's natural functioning. I always advise being careful about sex, especially if you aren't ready and willing to have and raise children. Everyone's method of "being careful" will differ, of course, and that's just fine with me. Personally, I have been very grateful for 'the pill' at times. Some women it seems to have a bad effect on... I've also known a few who seemed to have no adverse reactions whatsoever. I sure hope astrobiology makes some real advancements soon, and becomes a reliable science. That would be a wondrous gift to humankind, indeed. Until then, there are condoms, and pills, and other things. Now in regard to abortion, I (once again) agree with Linda Goodman's opinion as given in Star Signs, that it is not a sin, or murder, because the fetus has not been imbued with a Spirit yet -- though it is a shameful waste of a Body Temple. This belief is based in my firm conviction of astrology's truth, that Life begins at the moment of birth, not conception. I know many disagree and may even feel I am callous and cruel, but I can't help that. I'm not callous and cruel, anyway... I don't personally like the idea of abortion. But I certainly think that the life lived by an unwanted child is a much sadder tragedy. For that reason, I think it's absolutely heinous of doctors or special-interest groups to try and "do way with" the pill.

Just my two cents, for whatever it's worth.

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virgo
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posted September 18, 2004 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgo     Edit/Delete Message
If they are so concerned about birth control pills or abortion and thinking its wrong and that no women should have the right to do it..than FIRST, they should go to ALL the third world countries, save all the kids that are dying right now and than come here and say ******** like that. They can be aganist abortion if they like to, but they have NO right to say that it should be ileagle, and not give out pills when its their job and try to eliminate them.
If they care so much about some strangers child that hasnt been born yet, than they better stop sitting on their ass and actually do something about the kids that are dying now.
How come these people arent saying anything about them?
They are dying right now because of us and they dont do anything about that..but when it comes to a women that wants a birth control pill, or wants to get a abortion, they all get crazy about it.
The fact is, they should NEVER have the right to say something like that. Its not their body, its not their child, and its not their life. And if they are really as concerned as they are, like I said, what about the other millions of kids dying right now?

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Gia
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posted September 18, 2004 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
I can only pray that the majority of people wake up from their dreamland world and begin to see things for what they are. It's a sham and nothing more.

They are trying harder every day to take away our rights to over the counter health aids and now this. It's the land of the free alright and the land of the patriot act too!

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SunChild
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posted November 02, 2005 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Bump...

I can't believe I found this until now. I had no idea!
I take the pill...and if that's the case I would stop it immediately...and think of another way.
I am going to research it further, if anyone has any more info please post it.

Ohmy!

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trillian
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posted November 02, 2005 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
If what is the case, sunchild?

Of course use of the pill is not the same as an abortion. Using the pill just means your body isn't ovulating, so you don't get pregnant.

That being said, I don't think the pill is particularly healthy, but women should always have the choice whether or not to become pregnant.

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thirteen
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posted November 02, 2005 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't get much good out of them but I can't see any reason to do away with them. Pro choice here. What comes to mind is this.....big money making drug company will not lose this fight. They would never let the right to bring in all the billions go away.

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trillian
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posted November 02, 2005 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Whoa.

thirteen, is that really you, speaking out against the drug companies??

Teasing!

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SunChild
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posted November 02, 2005 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
This Trillian
quote:
"The contraceptive pill doesn't always prevent ovulation. As often as 30% of the time, ovulation may occur and if that happens, fertilization may occur. Then there are other mechanisms that can prevent that being from surviving. It's called a chemical abortion."

What do you think about that? Is it really true? How would I find out?

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trillian
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posted November 02, 2005 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
SunChild, I missed that part of the article.

Well, I've never heard that before, but I am a little suspicious. Talk to your Doctor,and see what s/he says.

Also...first of all, the Dr. quoted is a pro-lifer, which means she has vested interests. What study is she siting? And who funded the study? Was it a pro-life group?

Another thing interesting to me is her wording.

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Then there are other mechanisms that can prevent that being from surviving. It's called a chemical abortion."

She is not actually, literally saying that the pill causes an abortion; she's saying "other mechanisms." That sounds like political double-speak to me, and it's a fine art to use words to manipulate another's interpretation. People love to do it, especially when they want to sell you something.

I was on the pill for many years, and I am relatively sure I never ovulated. I never got the pinchy pains, and I never had the mucus that is obvious when ovulating.

When I have a moment I'll try to do some research for you.


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SunChild
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posted November 02, 2005 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Thankyou...alot more questions come to mind now.
And I'll surely seek to find the answers.

Since being on the pill I've never had the ovulation symptoms either...and I'm especially sensitive, and I do believe a woman would know if she ovulates.

Trillian you are a great detective, I would genuinely appreciate it if you find anything conclusive, or close to.
Thankyou.

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thirteen
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posted November 03, 2005 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
Yes Trillian, but to the good of women and pro-choice. And... just for the record, I wasn't defending the drug companies at that time I was defending the drug itself.

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thirteen
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posted November 03, 2005 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
Trillian, i have heard that some women do still ovulate on the pill. Due to the pill making changes in the lining of the uterus though, an egg won't stick and sheds with the lining hence some people call that abortion. I remember finding articles on the internet about this way back when, when i was on the pill.

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trillian
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posted November 03, 2005 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
SunChild, this came from the same article Gia posted:

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A woman taking the Pill does not usually release eggs. But occasionally she might - and it is possible that egg could be fertilised.

The hormonal conditions created by the Pill mean, if that happened, the fertilised egg would not be implanted or survive.
Mainstream medicine does not define that as a pregnancy. But some of those strictly against abortion do.


Personally, I think it's dubious to call that an abortion. I suppose it comes down to whether or not you consider a fertilized egg a baby.

I suspect that some of the women who ovulate aren't taking their pills at the exact same time every day, or miss a pill completely.

SunChild, if a baby wanted to be born, it would be. I think you have nothing to worry about in reference to abortions with the pill.

It's cool thirteen.

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SunChild
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posted November 04, 2005 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm yes something to think about. I don't think I'm ovulating anyway.

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