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Gia
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posted January 09, 2005 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
Cancer News From Johns Hopkins
No plastics in microwave

No plastic water bottles in freezer

No plastic wrap in microwave

Johns Hopkins has recently sent this information out in their newslettersb and it is worth noting that it is
also circulated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

Dioxin Carcinogens cause cancer, especially breast cancer.


Don't freeze your plastic water bottles as the freezing of plastic releases dioxins in the plastic into the water within.

Dr. Edward Fujimoto from Castle hospital was on a TV program explaining this health hazard.He is the manager of the Wellness Program at the hospital. He was talking about dioxins and how bad they are for us.

He said that we should not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers.

This also applies to foods that contain fat. He said that the combination of fat, high heat and plastics releases dioxins into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body. Dioxins are carcinogens and highly
toxic to the cells of our bodies. Instead, he recommends using glass, Corning Ware, or ceramic containers for heating food. You get the same results, without the dioxins. So such things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc., should be removed from the container and heated in something else. Paper isn't bad but you don't know what is in the paper. It's just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc. He said we might remember when some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the foam containers to paper. The dioxin problem is one of the reasons.

To add to this, Saran wrap placed over foods as they are nuked, with the high heat, actually drips poisonous toxins into the food, use paper towels.

Please pass this important information onto your family & friends. Please do not buy oils stored in plastic bottles either.

Thanks.

Gia

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26taurus
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posted January 10, 2005 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
GIA yes!! Great info. My mother was telling me something about this awhile back. She mentioned something about trying to use glass as much as possible. She's very much like you, up to date on health, especially holistic. Plastics are REALLY bad for people. Dangerous and toxic. And it's everywhere.

Thanks for the info. Most people dont know anything about it.

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Sheaa Olein
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posted January 10, 2005 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sheaa Olein     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you!

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Harpyr
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posted January 10, 2005 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the heads up, Gia!

I have never trusted plastics and recently my fiance won a microwave in a raffle so I've been thinking alot more about the issue of using plastic containers in it. I try and use it only for reheating leftovers in glass containers and it's good to know that my precautions against plastic are more than just baseless paranoia.

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proxieme
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posted January 10, 2005 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for proxieme     Edit/Delete Message
I always like to double-check for sources when something interests me, and this is what the folks at www.truthorfiction.com came up with:

Summary of the eRumor:
There are a several versions of this eRumor.

The first to appear on the Internet was a message that says a Dr. Edward Fujimoto from the Castle Hospital (no location mentioned) appeared on television and said plastic containers should not be used for heating foods in a microwave oven.
This is especially true if the foods contain fat.
The message says the combination of fats and plastics will release dioxins into the food and into the cells of the body with a risk of cancer.
He recommended using glass, Corning Ware, or ceramic containers instead in order to avoid the dioxin. Prepared foods such as TV dinners should be taken out of plastic containers before heating.

The second version tells the story of a seventh-grade student who decided to do some experiments with microwave radiation on food wrapped in plastic.
She is said to have enlisted the help of the National Center for "Toxicological" Research in Arkansas.
She allegedly found that not only are there carcinogens migrating from the plastic into food during microwaving, but other substances as well.
This eRumor also lists an article about Dr. Edward Fujimoto saying that he appeared on a TV station in Huntsville, Alabama.

Another version claims all this was in newsletters from Johns Hopkins University and Walter Reed Army Medical center.



The Truth:
TruthOrFiction.com has not been able to find any research that supports the fear that food can become contaminated with dioxins either from plastic wrap or plastic in microwave ovens.

It's an understandable concern because dioxins are among the most poisonous chemical group known and steps have been taken by many world governments to reduce the amounts of dioxins in the environment.

Dr. Edward Fujimoto is real and is the Manager of the Wellness and Lifestyle Medicine Department at Castle Medical Center in Hawaii. (not Alabama). Part of this eRumor is the result of an interview he did on KHON-TV channel 2 in Hawaii on January 23, 2002.

TruthOrFiction.com contacted Dr. Fujimoto who said the eRumor quoted him fairly accurately.
His concern was whether a combination of ingredients, especially plastics and food fats, could result in food being contaminated by dioxins when heated in a microwave.
That is his observation and he claims to have research substantiating it.
TruthOrFiction.com has twice asked for him to give us that research but has never received it.
He said that he is surprised about how little Americans know about dioxins in everyday life because in Japan, the majority of the population knows about them and the country has enacted regulations to protect its people.
He explained that in his view, heating food in a plastic container will produce the release of dioxins and fat will absorb them.
The amount of migration of dioxins to fat, he said, will be a function of the heat in the microwave, the type of plastic, the length of time of exposure, and the amount of fat that is in contact.
Dr. Fujimoto pointed out that the amounts of dioxins in any given piece of plastic or food that is microwaved in plastic is very small, but that the problem is that dioxins get into the human body and accumulate.
He sad that in Japan, there has been a complete change in the way foods are packaged so that plastic is avoided.
They use more glass, for example.

In early 2004, a corrupted version of the eRumor started circulating that made it appear as though Dr. Fujimoto was also concerned about putting water in plastic bottles and freezing it, but he never addressed that.
This version of the eRumor also made it sound as though the plastic itself was the problem, not the plastic in combination with food and heat.
It says, for example, that the heat causes dioxin (sic) to "drip from the plastic" into the food but none of the researchers has claimed that.

Another version of eRumor about the seventh-grader has been a little more difficult to detail.
We've confirmed that there is a Dr. Jon Wilkes at the National Center for Toxilogical Research who, along with a Claire V. Nelson, published a paper at a professional event in Orlando, Florida in 1998 and it was on the subject of food contamination from plastic wrap.
We've not found the actual study, however, and have never received a response from Dr. Wilkes.
The eRumor about Jon Wilkes and Claire Nelson appears to have come from the Options Newsletter published by People Against Cancer at www.peopleagainstcancer.com.

The folks who make Saran Wrap have responded to the eRumor.
A statement by the SC Johnson company says the "plasticizer" in Saran Wrap is derivative of naturally occurring citric acid found in citrus fruits and is 100% dioxin free.
The statement further adds that dioxins can only be formed with chlorine is combined with the kinds of high temperatures associated with waste incinerators, temperatures like 1,500 degrees F.
Even the most powerful microwaves are not capable of those temperatures, according to the company.
SC Johnson says none of its products contains dioxins.

According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, dioxins are both natural and man-made.
The man-made dioxins are released into the air from sources like waste incineration, from burning fuels (like wood, coal or oil), and certain types of chemical processing.
Almost every person has been exposed to low levels of dioxins and the EPA says there is research that suggests that high levels of dioxins may be correlated with various health problems, although some of that is extrapolated from studies of animals, not humans.
The only reference we could find about dioxins and microwaves was from an FDA publication that was concerned about dioxins resulting from the bleached manufacture of paper goods including milk cartons and some paper containers for microwave dinners.
That was not about plastics and high temperatures, however, and the levels of dioxins were described as safe.

The Food and Safety Inspection Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture has published guidelines for safe cooking in microwave ovens and warns against using materials that are not regarded as microwave safe.
CLICK HERE http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OA/pubs/fact_microwave.htm for those guidelines.
You'll note that one of the guidelines is to avoid letting plastic wraps touch food!
That is another issue, however, and not related to dioxins or high heat in microwaves.

Somewhere along the way someone decided to add that all this information had appeared in newsletters from Johns Hopkins University and Walter Reed Army Medical center, but we've not found that to be true.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/dioxins.htm

Here's what snopes.com has to say: http://www.snopes.com/toxins/plastic.htm

For the record, I don't microwave stuff in plastic myself. Warnings or no, it just doesn't seem right - and if a Pisces gal w/ all of the outer planet contacts that I have can't go on that, I don't know who can

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted January 10, 2005 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeoSweetHeart     Edit/Delete Message
Its never seemed right to me either even before I'd heard the warnings. I think it even tastes funny too

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26taurus
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posted January 11, 2005 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Prox!!!! Wow! You did your research. Thanks for that!

How have you been BTW? We've missed yoooou! (((hugs)))

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Gia
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posted January 11, 2005 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
There are different grades of plastic. The thinner which is grade 1 is the worst. This grade is normally found in water bottles and soda bottles too. Have you never tasted or smelt the plastic on a hot day? if you must use plastics of any sort please use grade 5 which has been tested to be only half as bad as grade 1. Plastic when heated normally melts unless treated with other binders. I think in years to come we will see how harmful these plastics can be in autoimmune disease. They also mimic estrogens and cause fertility problems.

Gia

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