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miss_apples
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From: white bear lake, MN, USA
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posted February 18, 2005 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_apples     Edit/Delete Message
I read this very sad article and also checked out the website that was mentioned in the article and it made me feel very very very sad.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/WCVB/20050218/lo_wdiv/2582703

Basically this article is about a website (www.bluedragonfly.org) which was started by a girl suffering from an eating disorder and this poor girl is so mentally sick from her disorder that she is actually giving people tips on how to continue and hide their disorder.

This really made me cry, I also suffer from an eating disorder, however not anorexia or bulimia...I suffer from overeating. I am 275 pounds and I know how it feels to wish desperatly to be thin. Especially since I frequent a UK chatroom and there are sometimes are people in there who will say "Americans are Fat" and it will start out a whole debate about Americans and fatness and some of the Americans (yanks as we are called, lol) will shout out "well Im not fat, Im thin and beautiful" and I feel very ashamed that I am one of the "fat americans" that they are reffering to I also cant stand how some people think they are helping me and other fat people when they say mean things about our weight. They dont understand that things like that make us want to eat more. My fiances brother said to him right in front of me "Maybe if you critisized her more she'd stop being fat and lose weight , you should go back to your ex Suzie, she lost weight and looks good now" I just wanted to die.

Anyways I thought I'd start a thread where we can share our stories and our obstacles and support eachother in a healthy way. Feel like we are not alone yet not encourage our diseases like that website was doing.
Thanks guys

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tracysalome
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posted February 19, 2005 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tracysalome     Edit/Delete Message
That's terrible that your own brother in law would say that. Well, you seem like a beautiful person to me. Thats whats great about the internet, well, this site anyway, you only see the true beauty of people. It's terrible that people would judge that way. I think there is way too much of an emphasis on being skinny today. Even children's clothing is made to barbie doll like porportions which no kid is built like.little kids are all chubby like little elfs. My little sister who is 11 cant even buy jeans to wear because they are all made with tiny waists. It's sad. I don't think it should matter unless there is a health issue involved. Besides you've had kids no one has the right to critisize you. It's rarely easy for any mother to recover fully after that. Especially emotionally and especially if you have to deal with mean people like that.

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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted February 19, 2005 05:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
Hi miss_apples,

This is just such a sad topic...so painful. I really feel for you. It's a tragedy that people put such an enormous emphasis on thinness. Yes, it is important to be in a "normal" weight range for health reasons. But people can be so cruel, even kids can be cruel to those who are heavy. And even if nothing is said to your face, it just seems like you receive a "pointed lack of attention," from others. Many people don't see the real you. It's like being overweight is considered a major character flaw. It's really terrible. I know because I've been there. It caused me an incredible amount of pain and frustration. I really feel for you, and I'm just so sorry that people can be so thoughtless and hurtful.


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wildflwrs
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posted February 19, 2005 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wildflwrs     Edit/Delete Message
That website was a topic on the Today Show yesterday. They wear bracelets to identify their disease--anorexia is one color, bulimia is another, and I remember black and blue is for self-mutilators.
People that are anorexic or bulimic can usually get help but overeaters can't. Appetite is in the brain chemistry. There is so much exploitation in the market place--you can't trust the products. Muscle burns fat though--so if you develop the muscles of your body it helps to lose weight. Of course exercise helps metabolism and drinking lots of water is supposed to help metabolism. Support here is a good idea. Sometimes its hard to get motivated.

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geminstone
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posted February 19, 2005 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geminstone     Edit/Delete Message
miss_apples,

I think that this is a great idea and, your extension of a helping hand to others, shows your true soul. This topic has always been one of my ' issues', as my husband calls them. My mother was, very, self depreciating and I could not understand why. Throughout my school years, I was around this either, through friends or my family. My best friend's sister was when the inability to understand the disrespect shown, turned to frustration. My friend and I were about 16, her sister, at 11, was not always a welcome tag along but, she was left in Big Sister's charge, much of the time. Needless to say, with 5 years between them, they saw moments of agreement, very rarely! During one of their arguments one evening, the older sis becomes quite frustrated when the younger rolls her eyes at her but, upon voicing her feelings about it, the younger, adamitly, denies the action.....
Within a week, the 11 year old had been diagnosed with epilepsy and, daily steroids were perscribed. Kids are terribly cruel and, she was always being ripped apart. Unfortunately, the intolerance to being over weight and, really just being, ' flawed ', is not only fed to us in everything in the media but, parents, sometimes unintentionally, reinforce it. I have had my own experience with weight, through the birth of my kiddos. It only reinforced my appreciation of the body that I had been, somewhat, unaware of through life.
I agree with the comments made about the current clothing trends... I have a 6 year old daughter and, she is absolutely beatiful, even when she has almost every inch of her skin COVERED!! I was, totally, blown away a few months ago, when upon picking my lovely innocents up from school, my 8 year old SON, turns to me and says, " Mom,.... I think I might be getting fat."

Oh miss_apples, do remember, the judgements of others, only shows their own weakness'!
~When everyone else, first of all, finds a common, ' perfect' and, then attains it... then is when I, might, care~ This is how I deal with those who are consumed by trivial fears, they drown in their own shallow waters until they find help in themselves.....

LovinHugs to you miss.

~ geminstone

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trillian
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posted February 19, 2005 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
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Yes, it is important to be in a "normal" weight range for health reasons.

Despite the currently fashionable media stance, there is some research to refute this claim.

Thin people do not have a lock on health. Thin people die of heart attacks, diabetes, etc., too. I see many thin people eating horrible diets. And people who are thin following Atkins type programs have put their health in jeopardy.

Many people who fit into the 'overweight' category are very healthy, with excellent blood pressure, stamina, etc.

Miss Apples, don't allow someone else determine your self-worth. That's the sad issue. Tell your future brother-in-law to f*ck off and take some lessons in manners. And I would question the committment of a fiance who allowed his brother to speak to you in such a way.

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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted February 19, 2005 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
I respectfully disagree that being overweight is not a health risk.

I don't think I have ever met a health professional who would agree that that is so. This includes both conventional and holistic medicine.

If you are overweight, you are more likely to suffer from heart disease, diabetes, stroke, certain types of cancer (such as breast, ovarian, colon and more), sleep apnea, gout, osteoarthritis, gallbladder disease, and other health problems.

While being at an ideal weight doesn't *guarantee* better health, it does improve your odds.

I don't mean to be insensitive by saying any of this, and I don't want to make anyone feel bad. Weight is such a battle for so many people, myself included. I wish there were a better solution for everybody. It can be really hard trying to maintain a healthy weight in this country.

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miss_apples
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posted February 19, 2005 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_apples     Edit/Delete Message
hehe Trillian...Oh no, my fiance didnt let him speak that way, and his brother has learned to keep his mouth shut. Because even his girlfriend would get in his face when he would talk about me like that. Also I found out how mentally ill he is plus he is 40 and going through a mid-life crises so picking on others makes him feel younger and superior.

I am also very healthy. Ive had many tests done and I have normal blood sugar and normal, almost low blood pressure. But I can tell that I dont have as much energy as I did when I was skinny before I had my babies.

Also I am not as hard on myself as a lot of other overweight people are. I actually do think Im beautiful and I like my body except for my flabby arms...lol. Im not ashamed to wear a swimsuit in public and I dont hide behind baggy clothes. Just every once in awhile I get down on myself when I talk to certain people or see certain types of media. And I get terribly jealous when any of my friends lose weight, although happy for them at the same time.

Todays society really does put too much focus on physical things such as the way a person looks, money, and objects. And if you dont have those things you are considered "flawed" as someone mentioned. And they really think that insulting and taunting will get you motivated. I watch that show "celebrity fit club" and I am disgusted how that physical trainer guy uses insults at Mia Tyler and the others thinking he is actually doing them a favor by being mean. I think things like that just drive most people to either eat more, turn to anorexia or bulimia, or to physical hurt themselves and others in other ways.

And another common myth, Not all Fat people got that way by eating too much.

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proxieme
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posted February 19, 2005 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for proxieme     Edit/Delete Message
Heh, your "baggy clothes" comment rung a bell with me.

I'm quite skinny (but not fit) and I've worn very baggy clothes for the longest time - since puberty, actually.
I started developing well before and faster most everyone else (and have stretch marks on my breasts and hips to show for it)...and developed more than many. This made later elementary through middle school quite uncomfortable, and as a defense mechanism I just hid what there was to see.

*takes pop psy hat off*

Ah, body image.

re: your last comment: Have you been tested for hypothyroidism? How's your energy level in general?

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ruman
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posted February 20, 2005 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ruman     Edit/Delete Message
That was a mean comment to come from your brother in law. I really feel sad for not just you but everyone who has this kind of problem.

But you know there are others who have a totally opposite situation. Take me for example. My mother in law has threatened not to let me enter her house if I dont put on weight on my next visit.Can you believe that?I dont believe that eating has anything much to do with putting on or off weight because I eat a lot and still I am so skinny.Even after two kids!!
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miss_apples
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posted February 20, 2005 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_apples     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Proxeme,

I started developing early also. My first bra was a b-cup and I was 5 foot 7 by 4th grade. I was accused of stuffing my bra and got called names like "mommy long legs" and they would sing "deck the halls with Tiffannies bras" on the bus. It was a nightmare. Yes Ive been tested for thyroid probs and it came out normal. But it seems like before I had kids I could eat whatever I wanted and not gain a pound. Then after I had kids I cant eat anything w/out gaining a pound from it...lol.

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted February 21, 2005 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeoSweetHeart     Edit/Delete Message
Miss Apples I'm sorry your struggling with that nasty eating disorder. I know to some degree how your feeling. I had the same disorder about a year ago that had lasted for like 3 years. It just would not go away! It seemed to take on a life of its own, it would rebel against me when I tried to diet. I constantly fought it, driving my friends and family crazy in the meantime because I always complained about it. I weighed myselfat least 3x a day compulsively. I tortured myself in the mirror, thinking if only my thighs were this way squeezing back the fat. Ahh it was awful So when i said before that I admire that you aren't so hard on yourself, I meant it. It takes courage to fight societies attacks on your self esteem, and your doing it. You believe in yourself and know your beautiful..thats awesome Well I wanted to share my story with you because maybe the way I lost weight might inspire you...
I lost about 25 lbs..I know its not so much (I admitedly did not get very heavy, but in my mind..I did not look like a model or the way I was used to looking so that justified my self torture) I lost the weight but forgetting about my situation. I forgot about food and my body image. It was when I moved to CA to be with my fiance that the pounds literally shedded off. I was too happy to eat, to consumed with enjoying life with him to care about food...I only ate when i was hungry. One day I was like ohmigod when did this happen!!! When did I stop using food as catharsis?! Am I really only eating when I'm hungry?! I just found it ironic that after struggling for 3 years trying diets and everything, what worked was Living life and forgetting about weight and food.

I don't know your exact situation with overeating..do you overeat when your emotional? tired? bored? or all of the above? for me it was all of the above. It became the one thing I could count on and enjoy in life. Then when life became more fulfilling, I literally became more Filled. I'm still not sure why it happened, but I know I'm not the only one its happened to. This may or may not help you but I wanted to share it just in case. Well hun I'm going to go to bed, I ll write more tomm.
Monica

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miss_apples
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posted February 21, 2005 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_apples     Edit/Delete Message
Monica your story actually coincides with what I read in the book "Losing your pounds of pain" By Doreen Virtue. You said when your life was fullfilled you felt more filled. Did you perhaps crave carbs like bread, baked goods, and candy? Doreen says that people who feel like "something is missing" or feel like "Theres a hole inside that they cant fill" They tend to crave baked goods and breads, where as angry people tend to crave salty and crunchy foods, and depressed people crave chocolate..etc...

I crave a combo of baked goods and chocolate.
I seriously think that getting my drivers license would pretty much solve my problem. Because Im stuck in the house all day and cant get anything done that needs to be done outside my house because I cant drive to get to other places. So I become bored and eat because of nothing else to do. So Im gonna try to make an extra effort to shake my fear of driving and get my license after the snow melts.

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted February 22, 2005 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeoSweetHeart     Edit/Delete Message
Yea I mostly ate carbohydrates. Especially sweet things like ice cream and baked goods. That description of feeling a void in my life did fit me. I can't say I don't ever use food for comfort, but before I just ate and ate and ate for no reason whatsoever. Its like I constantly needed the comfort of it because the void was always there.

I'm sure when you get your drivers liscense and start accomplishing more outside the house, you'll begin to feel better and more in control of your life. I'm sure thats really hard not being able to drive, it would give you like a sense of not being productive. Oh yea and when one area of my life starts getting better, it always spreads to other areas. So I'm sure getting your liscense will have a positive effect on your confidence or feeling of accomplishment.

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