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Kat
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posted February 27, 2005 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi,
In the treatment of my fibromyalgia, blood tests have revealed that I have elevated levels of Candida. I was prescribed a medication that I'll need to be on for 3 months. (and needed more blood tests.)Frankly, this concerns me since I'll need to take a supplement that will protect my liver. Does anyone know any alternative therapies for Candida? I've checked the web and came across a product called ThreeLac and even that concerns me since I know someone who has seizures as a result from taking a herbal remedy. It was mentioned that I should avoid sugar and yeast products any other advice?

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iAmThat
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posted February 27, 2005 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iAmThat     Edit/Delete Message
I heard you must eat raw garlic every day till symptom dissapears.


Yeah sugar is bad. Although the irony is that what ever you eat is converted into sugar and then a major type of sugar is fed to brain.

Minimise intake of white sugar and its products.

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Eleanore
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posted February 27, 2005 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Balance Hormones Naturally by Kate Neil and Patrick Holford is a great book that discusses, among other things, how to deal with Candida. Christiane Northrop, in Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom, also mentions the Candida Research and Information Foundation/ Drawer JF/ College Station, TX 77841/ (409) 694-8687. Information and referrals.


Doing some research might prove very beneficial. Good luck to you.
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eightdegrees
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posted February 27, 2005 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eightdegrees     Edit/Delete Message
Kat, I've read that avoiding all starches- grains, breads, etc, and of course yeast products, and I believe eating a lot of bitter foods or something is the ticket.

Get Paul Pitchford's book Healing With Whole Foods- it's outlines an anti-candida diet. It takes 40 days or something and it's supposed to clear up symptoms.

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iAmThat
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posted February 27, 2005 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iAmThat     Edit/Delete Message

Also yogurt (made with live culture) kills candida. Buttermilk is good too.


I heard Grape Fruit Seed Extract is good too. I occacionally cook with Grape Fruit Seed oil. I heard its healthy and rich in vitamin E.


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pixelpixie
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posted February 28, 2005 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Don't the live antioxidant properties in grapeseed oil become dissipated when cooked though? I have heard that of a lot of the rich, good for you oils.. cooking them destroys their potency.. I know this is true of flax seed..... Just wondering...
grapeseed oil is a fabulous oil for massage.....

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miss_apples
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posted February 28, 2005 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_apples     Edit/Delete Message
This wont cure candida but if you are experiencing the itchy and painful symptoms take a sitz bath. Add one cup of vinegar and one cup of salt to bath water.

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trillian
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posted February 28, 2005 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
As you probably know, a systemic Candida problem does not necessarily translate into what we women commonly think of as a Yeast Infection, though that can certainly be an indicator. If Gia comes across this thread, I am sure she will have some valuable information for you. In the mean time, I will get to you what I can.

Please keep in mind that the initial 'die-off' of Candida can make your symptoms worse, before they become better. I know of several things that can/will contribute to a cure, though I haven't the time to list them all right now. I will get back to this string over the next few days.

Yes, eat raw garlic every day. This may not sound like fun, but it will kill all the bad bacteria in your body. Do you suffer from vaginal yeast? I will tell you how to make suppositories.

It will also be wise to avoid foods which contribute to systemic yeast problems: Sugar, white flour, yeasty foods including mushrooms, soy (yes, soy contributes to systemic yeast!), etc. There are lists of foods on the web; you might try google or even www.about.com, and type in systemic yeast under their search function.

Coconut oil and its derivatives can help. Look around www.tropicaltraditions.com.

There are herbal type supplements made from coconut products that are very helpful, but I will have to look them up for you.

Like you, I would not take medicine from the Doctor that could harm my liver. Especially when I know I can fix this problem myself, if I apply myself to my own healing.

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posted February 28, 2005 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Try taking 50 mg of zinc a day after your largest meal. There can be many causes, but at its root is often an immune deficiency, which is usually nothing more than insufficient zinc. If so, the results will be quite fast.

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iAmThat
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posted February 28, 2005 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iAmThat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi PixelPixie,

Grape Seed Oil has high heat stability 320 deg F. Did you notice that you can reuse the oil after frying compared to other oils? I am not an expert on diet stuff, but I am writing what I remembererd from my investigation that I made before I bought the oil myself.

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Kat,

Also I read about Asian Ginseng and its help for Fibromyalgia.

You must eat lots of antidoxidants (Vit E) because is cleaning itself every day. When bodies destroys the germs, a lot of toxins(bad/free radicals)/debris are produced. The antioxidants prevents the bad radicals from destroying other cells. Prunes are best source of antidoxidants. It helps clean blood and keeps it pure.

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honkeycat_1963
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posted March 03, 2005 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honkeycat_1963     Edit/Delete Message
greetings one and all, just registered today and saw the inquiry on candida and if you wanna go natural(IMHO the only way to go)i would suggest the website of an awsome naturopath McCain: herbalhealer.com let me know if anyone else out there is familiar with her she knows ALOT about this systemic candida epidemic she thinks is in part responsable for many misdiagnosed conditions like lupus, fibromialgia, arthritis, etc. best of luck, im going to continue reading all this wonderful stuff i see,incidentally, im quite pleased to see im not the only one with a PURPLE plate!!!ciao,folks have a great one.

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Kat
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posted March 03, 2005 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks!!!
Great info.I do not have vaginal or oral candidas, it showed up in the blood test.
How much raw garlic should I eat?
I think my biggest problem is giving up the sugar. I'm a known sugar/chocoholic. I understand that having candida leads to having more sugar cravings and this is a tough cycle to break.I'm also concerned about the candida "die-off" that I heard about.

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iAmThat
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posted March 03, 2005 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iAmThat     Edit/Delete Message

Kat,

I don't know if I mentioned this but Bitter melon (karela) is great herb that maintains blood sugar level.
So if you do enjoy eating sweets this is a must in the diet.


I eat karela 2-3 times a month.

Its very bitter, but very healthy. I have never made Karela juice (must be very bitter)

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Gia
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posted March 03, 2005 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
First of all, please don't panic. We all have Candida Alibicans, it's a single cell fungus that is always present in the human body. We ALL have it. Now elevated levels can cause problems and you do need to keep it in check. It can effect so many parts of the body, bladder infections, arthritis, pains in joints, throat congestion, fatigue, thyroid problems and even diabetes. Very often, people with elevated candida have allergies and it sometimes gets worse if your levels are high and you are also taking oral contraceptives or antibiotics.

I recommend that you eliminate fruits that belong to the citrus family for at least a month. Don't eat mushrooms ar aged cheeses. Take acidophilus or bifidus to help restore your natural flora. Take flax seed oil and oat bran daily. Aloe vera has also been shown to boost the white blood cells ability to kill yeast cells. Drink pure filtered water at least 6 large glasses a day. Garlic is great and so are supplements. A good immune system helps the body stay in balance.
Eat a healthy diet, rest, take good exercise and avoid dampy and mouldy places.

I wish you health. Good luck.


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Nebel
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posted March 08, 2005 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nebel     Edit/Delete Message
Heya Kat
What everyone has suggested is great, but my strongest suggestion is to keep a 'Food Diary'. Just jot down what you ate, and when, and any symptoms you experienced. That way you can work out what your own body is trying to tell you.
As a chronic sufferer of Candida infections, i'd also like to add that STRESS is the BIGGEST cause of Candida infections. And i don't just mean emotional stress, but the stress caused to your body through eating foods that upset your body. i.e. another good reason to keep a food diary to measure your bodies response to the foods you eat.

I hope this has helped you in some way? Good luck
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Kat
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posted March 09, 2005 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Good idea.
I know I do have food allergies and was tested many years ago, but this would be a way of seeing how they would affect me. It would be nice to have a more definitive direction of what I can and can't eat.

All this health stuff is so involved it's getting me down.

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trillian
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posted March 09, 2005 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
It would be nice to have a more definitive direction of what I can and can't eat.

I think you've gotten lots of great health advice, but perhaps you don't want to hear it. Gia's knowledge about these things is so extensive. We'd all rather take a pill, than take responsibility for our health. It's not easy to give up sugar, or some of the other things mentioned here, but it's all about how much you're willing to put into your own healing process.

There are lots of great books available that are definitive about controlling systemic yeast problems in our bodies, inclucing The Yeast Connection. I'm sure it's available inexpensively and used at www.half.com or www.amazon.com. But unless you want to take drugs, some of which may harm other parts of your body, you will have to make adjustments to what you consume.

Good health and good healing to you.

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SparklingSag
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posted March 11, 2005 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparklingSag     Edit/Delete Message
I have had candida (i was born premature so had huge amounts of antibiotics to keep me alive). I was told to avoid bread and sugar. I have discovered wheat free, dairy free bread which is great! and bio yogurt everyday helps

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calliope
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posted March 14, 2005 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope     Edit/Delete Message
I'd second Trillian, though I didn't know that soy could contribute to candida. Is that because of the high oestrogen levels?

I have been on a hardcore candida diet for 2 months and have found that when I try to reintroduce sugar or fruit into my diet - just the smallest amount, even a teaspoon, even a microgramme of those foods will start me itching all over, give me joint pain etc.

Not eating those foods makes me feel fantastic and my immune system is strengthened considerably - whilst considerably weakened when I eat sugar, as I'm so sensitive to it. I feel invincible but I find the downside of this is that I can't sleep, because I can't switch off. I have got a lot of other stresses in my life so that probably contributes.

I am trying to fit in at least 1 walk a day to tire me out sufficiently, and I'm going to see a nutritionist, just to supervise what I'm eating and check that my diet is balanced. I would recommend this as one of your first ports of call for you.

Oh - and don't bother with Threelac, it's a rip-off. And it contains YEAST!!!!! I couldn't believe it when I read the ingredients.

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calliope
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posted March 14, 2005 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope     Edit/Delete Message
This might be useful!

Foods I avoid:
Anything sweet! Sugar, honey, fruit (both fresh and dried), alcohol, coffee, tea, strong spices, mushrooms, cheese, milk (because of lactose - I eat yogurt and cottage cheese because the fermentation process destroys the lactose), white flour, tomatoes (because I have an allergy).

Foods I eat:
Vegetables, meat, fish, pulses, wholegrains. I also take a good multivitamin supplement (yeast-free). There are plenty of foods you can eat if you are imaginative enough.

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SparklingSag
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posted March 15, 2005 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparklingSag     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, I'm using soy milk at the moment - could someone please clarify whether it contributes to Candida? I've tried goats milk too but didn't like it as much

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trillian
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posted March 15, 2005 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
I would urge anyone who consumes a lot of soy to read more about it. Here is one very informative source:
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

From this website you can read many excellent well-researched articles. Additionally, you will find more personal accounts, including one entitled "One Woman's Story":

"By Tera

This is my true story, nothing altered. These are facts as they relate to my experience, my opinions based on what I have read and felt. I am relating them to warn other young health-conscious women who are unwittingly harming themselves and so that what I went through and what I am going through has some purpose. It would make what I have gone through worth something and not in vain.

In 1989 I graduated from high school in a small town in Texas and couldn't wait to hit the big college city so I could begin to live my own life. One of the changes I wanted to make was to eat healthier. My family wasn't big on tofu, yoghurt or fruits. I also didn't want to gain the freshman 15. Once I moved to health-conscious Austin, Texas with its parks, hike and bike trails, and health food stores, I began to fortify my body with the best and healthiest foods I could find. Tofu was the main ingredient in every healthy dish and I bought soy milk almost every day because it was better than milk. I used it for everything from cereal to smoothies or just to drink for a quick snack. I bought soy muffins, miso soup with tofu, soybeans, soybean sprouts, etc. All the literature in all the health and fitness magazines said that soy protected you against everything from heart disease to breast cancer. It was the magical isoflavones, it was the estrogen-like hormones that all worked to help you stay young and healthy

But I wasn't that healthy. I looked great, I was working out all the time, but my menstrual cycle was off. At 20 I started taking birth control pills to regulate my menstrual cycle. One brand would work for a few months but then I would become irregular again. The doctors kept switching the brands and assuring me that I'd find the one that would work. In addition to this I began to suffer from painful periods. I began to get puffy—not fat, I wasn't gaining weight, just getting rounder. It was as though I was losing my muscle tone. I wasn't looking as good as I had before, despite all my exercising. I began to suffer from fits of depression and get hot flashes. I mistook all this for PMS since my periods were irregular. I had no way of knowing when I was going to begin my period.

Now, I had started using soy when I was 19. The onset of these problems quickly began at 20. By the time I was 25 my periods were so bad I couldn't walk. The birth control pills never made them regular or less painful so I decided to stop taking them. I went on like this for another two years until I realized my pain wasn't normal. In 1998, when I was 27 years old, my gynecologist found two cysts in my uterus. Both were the size of tennis balls. I was scared to death! I went through surgery to have them removed and thank God they were benign. The gynecologist told me to go back on birth control pills. I didn't. In 1998 he discovered a lump in my breast. Again I went through surgery and again it was benign.

It was in November, 2000 that my glands swelled up and my gums became inflamed. Thinking I had a tooth infection I went to the dentist who told me that my teeth were not the problem. After a dose of antibiotics the swelling still did not go down. At this point I could feel a tiny nodule on the right side of my neck. No one else could feel it. I told my mother I had thyroid trouble. This was based only on a hunch. She, along with others in my family, said I was being silly. No one in the family suffered from thyroid trouble. What's a thyroid?" was what my friends would say.

Going on a hunch I saw a specialist who diagnosed me with Papillary Thyroid Carcinoma. After a series of tests he told me it was cancer. My fiance and I sat stunned. I was dreading another operation but so far every lump had been benign. We were not prepared and I was so scared. We scheduled surgery right away. The specialist told us that it would only be after the operation that a pathologist would be able to tell us for sure if it was cancer. They found a tumor on my right lobe composed of irregular cells and another smaller tumor growing on the left, so the entire thyroid was removed. No harm was done to my vocal chords, no harm to my parathyroids but I now had an ugly scar and would be dependent on thyroid hormones the rest of my life. They told me that after undergoing radioactive iodine I would be safe and assured me that I could live a long life.

After treatment I began to search for the cause of all these problems. An x-ray I had done at age 8 was under suspicion, as was stress—everything got blamed on stress, genes, maybe that time I tried to smoke a cigarette (I was never a smoker but tried once), maybe that summer when I was 25 and began to drink vodka and try mixed drinks ( I was never one for alcohol but wanted to know what the hype was about). I began to look for esoteric reasons like not being spiritual enough. I never once thought it could be all the soy I had consumed for nearly ten years. After all, soy is healthy. I never drank soft drinks, and even when I was under excruciating pain, never took aspirin or headache medications. Maybe it was birth control pills.

I came upon a web page that linked thyroid problems to soy intake and the conspiracy of soy marketed as a health food when in fact it is only a toxic by-product of the vegetable oil industry. This was insane, I thought. After all, the health and fitness magazines had said nothing about soy being harmful. I visited an herbalist who was diagnosed with thyroid cancer in 1985. She informed me that soy was the culprit. She was a health-conscious individual who in her twenties fortified her diet with soy. A few years after that she had to have a hysterectomy due to cysts and other uterine problems. A few months later another acquaintance who had consumed soy came down with thyroid cancer. She was 27. A girl in England I met through the internet in a thyroid cancer forum had just undergone surgery and she was only 19. What was going on???? The research said that thyroid cancer was more common in older women, age 50 or older. It was said to be genetic or the result of nuclear fallout like in Chernobyl.

Today I found out that yet another acquaintance—another health-conscious individual—just found out she has thyroid cancer and she is 29. I got on the internet and found breast cancer linked to the radioactive iodine given during treatment. This didn't seem true. As fearful as I am of anything nuclear, the treatment has been given for over 150 years. Breast cancer is linked to estrogen. What mimics estrogen in the female body? SOY! I am not a scientist nor a doctor but I know my body. I knew that there were changes going on and I did search for clues as to why, but I never suspected soy because until now I never once found a single article that stated soy could be dangerous. Evening primrose oil I heard taken in large amounts, vitamin A, C and E can make tumors grow if taken in large dosages, MSG, even tuna is harmful but never once SOY. Women who took soy prior to thyroid problems will continue to take it after if they are not aware of what soy actually does, what it contains and how it reacts in the female body. I think this is the reason that women with thyroid cancer often develop breast cancer later.

Now it all makes sense. If you trace the problems I have had, they are all related to hormones. Taking birth control pills I believe only added more hormones to my body that I didn't need. I believe it was the fruit, no smoking, no drinking, exercise and veggies that kept my first surgeries benign. I wasn't as lucky the last time.

My co-worker is big into soy and I see her losing hair and gaining weight despite a walking workout during her break and after work, and apples and oranges for lunch. She just had cysts removed from her uterus too. I warn her to stay off the soy. I refer her to websites but until it is on the evening news on all four networks, women will suffer. I say what I can but at the Christmas potluck every dish contained soy in one form or another. It's now the staple of the new American diet—eat right, eat for health, eat to ward off cancer, AND IT'S SOY!

Back in 1994 I did have my thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) checked, again on a hunch. I was suffering from lethargic days, fits of depression, feeling off, and mild digestive problems. My TSH was a 6. A good physician, taking into account my symptoms, would have explored this. We are not always blessed with good physicians. Many don't know what a thyroid gland is, what it does or even where it is, and they miss important signs.

By the way, today I have normal periods even though I am not on birth control pills and even though I have had to change my dosage of thyroid hormone since the thyroidectomy. I do not touch soy, haven't for two years.

Dear readers, please use my story in any way you can. There are so many young girls who are consuming soy because they think they are taking care of themselves, and women taking soy because they want to be healthy. It is so unfair that the information about the dangers of soy isn't more widely circulated. It is sad. Health is wealth and until 1998 no matter how badly things went—car breaking down, bills, bad dates—I felt comforted in that I had my health. There are many out there who feel this way and it is a terrible blow when you realize you are not as healthy as you thought and that the information that you depended on was wrong."

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Kat
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posted March 15, 2005 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry to hear of your health challenges, Trillian. I do not eat soy simply because I have difficulty digesting any type of soy. Yes, hormones may cause health problems and we should be aware of them.

By the way "It would be nice to have a more definitive direction of what I can and can't eat" Is my referring to possible unknown food allergies. It is not in reference to any advice that anyone has given to me simply a response to Nebel's suggestion of keeping a food diary.

Calliope - Thanks for the answer about Three-lac.

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posted March 15, 2005 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wildflwrs     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm...well, I'm wondering if any of you have heard negatives on the micronized soy derived hormone replacement therapy. It is recommended by Dr. Andrew Weil and others into natural remedies. It is only by prescription and through a compounding pharmacy. It's kind of hard to access a doctor or nurse practioner that is knowledgable about it and that prescribes it. It's expensive, too, but covered by some insurances. It's considered bio-identical. Just wondering cause of reading the negative reactions from soy.

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calliope
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posted March 18, 2005 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope     Edit/Delete Message
I was advised to use soya milk when I went on my candida diet because the phytoestrogens were supposed to be better for me than the oestrogens in cow's milk. In fact I find they make my fibrocystic problems worse. And yes, in the second half of my two most recent menstrual cycles I have found more hair in my hairbrush than usual, and I seemed to gain flab that I just couldn't lose. I haven't used progesterone cream for a time but it seems to cancel the oestrogenic effects out, so I think I shall start using it again.
Reading the story you posted, Trillian, has definetely put me off soy. I'm shocked to hear about the (supposed) breast-enhancing supplements such as Erdic that contain high levels of phytoestrogens. They shouldn't be allowed on the market. I was brought up a vegetarian and everyone wondered why I was physically much more mature than most people in my class, even though I was two years younger than the oldest. Reason: My mother had been feeding me lots of savoury-flavoured T.V.P since I was knee-high to a grasshopper!
No wonder I have had so many problems with PMS over the years!!!

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